I give up! Animals are worthless!

[BennyJackdaw]

What's the point of caring for non-human creatures? No one gives two ****s about them anymore. NO ONE! Billionaires don't! Animal Welfarists don't! Not even FURRIES care about them anymore! Hunters have basically force-fed their BS all over the place, and now there's no longer a voice of reason. All the voices that try to help animals are being silenced and I'm at the point of insanity, at the point where I am starting to wonder if going to Africa and killing every last elephant in the wild would make me a better person than signing petitions and donating to charities. This whole time it feels like people have trying tell me that animals are worthless and humans are the absolute good and I've been too pig-headed to realize it. So yeah, I'm at the point where I feel the need to not care about animals anymore. To stop cleaning up trash, donating to charities, taking my pets to get them healed or signing petitions or doing anything else to care about animals because what's the ****ing point anymore?

I just wish there was a sign that there's still hope, but I'm not seeing it.

PS: Please, please, PLEASE keep any pro-hunting/hunting defense comments out of this topic.

[Malina]

Well one of the main points for caring for animals in my eyes is to give them a better quality of life. They may not matter as much as humans but they're still alive and deserve to have a pleasant time on this planet, just like we all do.
I'll be honest in saying I was a bit confused reading your post as I don't fully understand what you mean when you say animals don't matter; could you please be a bit more specific?


I understand you're upset about this topic right now, but forcing other people's opinions away (in this case the pro-hunting) is never the way to move forward. The best way is to approach it with a civil manner and open mind, rather than hiding in a safe space.


I look forward to seeing the responses on this thread and wish you well

[BennyJackdaw]

Well one of the main points for caring for animals in my eyes is to give them a better quality of life. They may not matter as much as humans but they're still alive and deserve to have a pleasant time on this planet, just like we all do.
I'll be honest in saying I was a bit confused reading your post as I don't fully understand what you mean when you say animals don't matter; could you please be a bit more specific?


I understand you're upset about this topic right now, but forcing other people's opinions away (in this case the pro-hunting) is never the way to move forward. The best way is to approach it with a civil manner and open mind, rather than hiding in a safe space.


I look forward to seeing the responses on this thread and wish you well

I disagree to the bold. I think there are instances where an animal is more important than a human.

It's because hunters are always pushing their BS about how hunting is the all-holy savior of helping animals and how they are the truest of animal lovers even though they never even show the slightest ounce of consideration towards animals, and it feels like I'm one of the only people left who hasn't gobbled up their BS like candy, and I've been depressed over this for a while, but most people I talk to just make me feel worse about this.

[Malina]

Are you prepared to listen to the other side's arguments or are you just going to just dismiss them away? I was going to ask you to explain your side (why you think animals can be better than humans, why hunting is bad etc.) but it's clear you wouldn't be listening to what anyone has to say in response to it. I personally have no opinion on hunting which is why I'm wanting to see what both sides here have to say, but if that's not going to happen then there's no point being here

[BennyJackdaw]

Are you prepared to listen to the other side's arguments or are you just going to just dismiss them away? I was going to ask you to explain your side (why you think animals can be better than humans, why hunting is bad etc.) but it's clear you wouldn't be listening to what anyone has to say in response to it. I personally have no opinion on hunting which is why I'm wanting to see what both sides here have to say, but if that's not going to happen then there's no point being here

The problem is that I've heard all of the defenses thousands of times already and most of it is exaggerated BS, no one ever listens to my side of the story anyway, so what's the point. So forgive me, but I'm really not willing to hear any side in favor of hunting, which is why I am begging you guys to keep it out of this topic.

As for animals over humans, I think there are some instances where an endangered species should be put above humans especially if it means saving that species from the brink of extinction. Usually this involves hunting and poaching, and often times the person trying to kill the lion is just doing it for petty gain.

What I'd rather hear instead is a sign that animals are being helped without ANY sort of casualties, that humans don't just exist to destroy, that death and chaos isn't the answer to every problem for humans without the usual "BUT HUNTING DOES THIS!" BS. I want something to look up to, something that tells me that maybe there's hope for animals and humans and that we can help them without harming them

[Haikei]

Are you prepared to listen to the other side's arguments or are you just going to just dismiss them away? I was going to ask you to explain your side (why you think animals can be better than humans, why hunting is bad etc.) but it's clear you wouldn't be listening to what anyone has to say in response to it. I personally have no opinion on hunting which is why I'm wanting to see what both sides here have to say, but if that's not going to happen then there's no point being here

As a hunter myself, I feel the need to interfere right there. Yes, I am replying to a thread that tries to filter out opinions that don't match with OP's but I won't have it as I feel that this thread would be pointless without.


Now, don't get me wrong. I USED to hunt, joined my grandfather when I was a kid, and now simply don't have time for it anymore. From what I've read so far OP's vision on people that hunt is the biggest BS I've heard in YEARS!


"forcing their BS on how hunting is the all-holy savior" > I used to know quite a few and none of them found it something to be proud of. We kill animals, some for the fun, some for the meat. And we are all well aware that we are killing animals. But I do not agree to the fact that we pretend to be better than others.


I care for animals. I know I am killing them, but I refuse to see why that changes one's opinion at all. There are lots of things hunters do to make it less painful for the animal. If a tiger eats an Antelope, you think it cares about not hurting it's meal? Of course it doesn't.


For that reason, I can see why you'd think that we are entitled, but that's not because we think more of ourselves than any other human being or Animal-rights activists or whatever. We kill them for the meat and all we are doing is caring enough to make it as swift and painless as possible for the animal.




As for the actual topic, I do not think that humans are superior in any way to animals. We are simply the most advanced species on this planet, so I feel that it is our duty to take care of the ones that need it, as we are the ones who threw away natural balance for scientific advance to start with.


Not caring for animals is a choice one has to make on it's own, but I fail to see why one should not care for them. If you go and kill every elephant in Africa, you wiped out a species. If you donate to a charity like the 'Painted Dog' which tries to preserve the African Wild Dogs, you are donating to help these people save a species that's slowly dying.


Of course, from an economic point of view I can see that it's probably cheaper if they'd just not be there but in my opinion that makes you a cruel and heartless human being.

[Ventus Fall]

Hello BennyBunnyCorn!

There are people out there who care for animals, and yet even so there seem to be a higher number of people hurting animals (in whatever way). So to an extent I agree with you. Even so far as to stop people who offer help for animals. Many poachers in such a continent as Africa kill people who protect nature reserves or threaten them just so they can continue poaching.

But good things are also happening, mainly thanks to help from people, human beings. The wolf is returning to my country. And it has plentiful of food.
Deer.
Now on to deer. The deer were the problem as yeeeeaaaaars ago wolves were hunted until they didn't live here anymore. That was years ago. Now they've come back due to proper regulations and laws set in place, making it possible for the wolf to return.
That meant deers had no natural enemies when the wolf was extinct here.
Which is our fault as human beings, as we killed the natural predators. Meaning the deer would die anyways if there were wolves.
But there aren't (weren't wolves now).
Which leads to an over-population of deer.
Meaning hunters needed to step-in as over-population can cause a multitude of issues, maybe even making the deer extict or many other species, thus less likely there will be a food source for wolves and so wolves wouldn't have been able to return. They happen to be now returning and maybe even thus a return of a more natural ecosystem where wolves kill deer for food. And no more deer need to be hunted as the wolves and deer would keep each other in balance, as it should and has always been with animals even before human beings walked the Earth.

Once again I fully agree a lot of people are not helping animals and in fact hurting them instead. It does matter if you help or not. A lot of bad stuff happens and I think it would be best to either accept that or actually help the animals rather than 'giving up'.
So don't give up helping animals. Help animals because you want to.

[kylethefox]

animals are very important! they help in a lot of ways!! how could you not care about them?? ( obviousy you've nver had a pet! ) its true we eat some animals, but that doesnt mean we kill every last one! we need to take care of them, especially as furries! because no one else has that special connection with them, therefore they will no longer care about what happens to them and then animals will be beaten, killed, or worse, you cant stop caring for animals, if you stop caring, then who will? people will follow your example and stop caring as well, that would be catastrophic...

[BennyJackdaw]

As a hunter myself, I feel the need to interfere right there. Yes, I am replying to a thread that tries to filter out opinions that don't match with OP's but I won't have it as I feel that this thread would be pointless without.


Now, don't get me wrong. I USED to hunt, joined my grandfather when I was a kid, and now simply don't have time for it anymore. From what I've read so far OP's vision on people that hunt is the biggest BS I've heard in YEARS!

"forcing their BS on how hunting is the all-holy savior" > I used to know quite a few and none of them found it something to be proud of. We kill animals, some for the fun, some for the meat. And we are all well aware that we are killing animals. But I do not agree to the fact that we pretend to be better than others.


I care for animals. I know I am killing them, but I refuse to see why that changes one's opinion at all. There are lots of things hunters do to make it less painful for the animal. If a tiger eats an Antelope, you think it cares about not hurting it's meal? Of course it doesn't.


For that reason, I can see why you'd think that we are entitled, but that's not because we think more of ourselves than any other human being or Animal-rights activists or whatever. We kill them for the meat and all we are doing is caring enough to make it as swift and painless as possible for the animal.




As for the actual topic, I do not think that humans are superior in any way to animals. We are simply the most advanced species on this planet, so I feel that it is our duty to take care of the ones that need it, as we are the ones who threw away natural balance for scientific advance to start with.


Not caring for animals is a choice one has to make on it's own, but I fail to see why one should not care for them. If you go and kill every elephant in Africa, you wiped out a species. If you donate to a charity like the 'Painted Dog' which tries to preserve the African Wild Dogs, you are donating to help these people save a species that's slowly dying.


Of course, from an economic point of view I can see that it's probably cheaper if they'd just not be there but in my opinion that makes you a cruel and heartless human being.

When I said "keep this **** out of my topic" I meant it. I have good reasons to hate hunters, and I might point out that "no hunter you've met is proud of it or thinks of themselves as better than other people," either you are lying or you really haven't met a lot of hunters.  Most hunters I know shove their bull**** down people's throats, and most people have gobbled it up. They pretend there's no way to help animals without a violent bloodbath. These people are constantly demonizing other people to make themselves seem perfect.

[kylethefox]

never been hunting, i prefer killing other things in video games! >w<  i have shot guns, but not at animals, i dont think i could kill one unless i was starving or it was going to kill me, i dont hate hunters though, im ok with them, but i do hate when people are constantly bragging about how they killed an animal!!

[Alistair]

This has gone on long enough. Locked.