I like a lot of leftist ideals but hate quite a few leftists.

[Captain Degenerate]

No offense to anyone here if you are.


I believe in global warming but hate the typical loudmouth people who do or the ones who at least say so at every opportunity or even non opportunity which is quite a few.


I don't believe in multiculturalism with no limits. Especially for Europe


I hate the idiots who will take any opportunity to call something white racism even when it is not but ignore equivalent black racism which typically despises everyone on the planet who isnt "pure" African.




I am a nationalist why is that bad? Western culture is something to be proud of and Europe is rich with culture and history America has many different mixes and blends of culture depending on where you are why should any of that be dulled to not offend people? if they don't like it they can go away.


Just irritated with world affairs and had to complain.

[Armalite_]

I'm a libertarian (not liberal) and believe in freedom and equality and I also believe in equal opportunity and free speech.

The far left seem to have lost their minds following the Trump win and my country (Canada) has a walking pansy as a Prime Minister who does not believe in equal opportunity, defense of freedom, nor long term financial responsibility. But he does care a lot about weed, women (which is great), and the UN for some reason. He's an arrogant SOB with soft hands (I shook his hand when he took a tour of my school to make a speech to on sustainable housing development that sounded like complete insecure BS) and women love him because he's not some over 40 politician with white hair. Everyone thinks he's hot. I think he's average at best and that's being generous.

Anyway, everyone needs to have their pride. But it's one thing when people are proud and when people are hateful. I think that the far left today has forgotten the definition of the word "fascist" and "nazi" and throw it around like it's a term that can be applied to anyone or anything they don't like or understand. My grandparents were from Nazi Germany and lived it before moving to Canada after there was no country left. They despised Nazis and never liked talking about what life was like for them to live in a place run by ACTUAL fascist Nazis who rounded up and shot anyone and everyone who questioned them or didn't fit their profile of a pure human being.


That being said I don't think multiculturalism is to blame, but social sciences of today is one hot mess driven by an aggressive PC crowd overstepping logical boundaries. Freedom of religion and freedom of expression can exist as long as the state remains separate and people can respect them interchangeably without being segregated but I frankly believe that the general world populace is too stupid, selfish, and traditional to do that. Hence we have fringe groups like ISIS, Antifa, BLM, SJWs, KKK, etc.

As long as people are different, there will be arguments and wars. But being different is to be human and that's what's so great about us. Sharing different ideas and cultures and ways of life can be progressive, but it's also got to be regulated (which is hard for me to say because I believe in less government, not more of it).

[Angder]

I am a nationalist why is that bad? Western culture is something to be proud of and Europe is rich with culture and history America has many different mixes and blends of culture depending on where you are why should any of that be dulled to not offend people? if they don't like it they can go away.

The reason I despise nationalism, in all its forms, is because it is almost exclusively used as a way to elevate "Us" over "Them", based on location of birth, Race, and sometimes culture. These are things most poeple have no control over, the fact you happened to be born somewhere should not factor into your politics or self worth. If the only thing that matters to you about who you are is your nation, bluntly, either your a soldier or you have a problem. The divisive nature of nationalism also makes it very easy for nationalists to stop viewng Foreigners as people, and thats when things get DANGEROUS.

Your country's job, at its core, is to regulate trade (Making sure you are buying what you think you are buying), maintain a code of laws (Making sure you don't get murdered), and to keep you safe from invading forces (Making sure you don't get murdered). Some governments also make it their job to keep you healthy and happy, but that varies between nations. Your nation IS NOT special, it IS NOT worthy of special praise, and if you think it is, it won't be next time the president/king/prime-minister changes.

As for the land, its a lump of mud and rock, and some of it is damp. Wow, so impressive. Tell me more about your glorious dirt and stones.


Having said that, I have no problem with people showing off harmless culture, culture is intresting and cool and as long as it does not involve sacrificing virgins to volcano's or something if you enjoy embracing your culture, more power to you. Equally if you want to embrace someone elses culture, do so!



As for global warming, most people yelling about it are actually super scared (As am I). We may be looking at the end of the world as we know it in our lifetimes, it should not be suprising some people are freaking out and going a bit crazy.

Racism goes both ways, but in most nations that are fighting racism, racism against black people is vastly more common and damaging. Society as a whole is more racist towards blacks, and while individals can be dickheads, racism agianst white people is not part of the wests overall culture, so ultimately its less vital to fight it (Also a lot of it is reactionary, "you are racist towards us, so we will be racist back." Fighting this directly risks making it more prevelent.)

Multiculturism as a whole is a necessary part of humanities growth IMO. Segregating views and beliefs will end badly in a connected world. We need dialog, and we also need to see eachother as people. that is the ONLY way forward for humanity as a society and culture.




Then again, thats just what I think. Maybe everyone else completely disagrees.

[Captain Degenerate]

I am a nationalist why is that bad? Western culture is something to be proud of and Europe is rich with culture and history America has many different mixes and blends of culture depending on where you are why should any of that be dulled to not offend people? if they don't like it they can go away.

The reason I despise nationalism, in all its forms, is because it is almost exclusively used as a way to elevate "Us" over "Them", based on location of birth, Race, and sometimes culture. These are things most poeple have no control over, the fact you happened to be born somewhere should not factor into your politics or self worth. If the only thing that matters to you about who you are is your nation, bluntly, either your a soldier or you have a problem. The divisive nature of nationalism also makes it very easy for nationalists to stop viewng Foreigners as people, and thats when things get DANGEROUS.

Your country's job, at its core, is to regulate trade (Making sure you are buying what you think you are buying), maintain a code of laws (Making sure you don't get murdered), and to keep you safe from invading forces (Making sure you don't get murdered). Some governments also make it their job to keep you healthy and happy, but that varies between nations. Your nation IS NOT special, it IS NOT worthy of special praise, and if you think it is, it won't be next time the president/king/prime-minister changes.

As for the land, its a lump of mud and rock, and some of it is damp. Wow, so impressive. Tell me more about your glorious dirt and stones.


Having said that, I have no problem with people showing off harmless culture, culture is intresting and cool and as long as it does not involve sacrificing virgins to volcano's or something if you enjoy embracing your culture, more power to you. Equally if you want to embrace someone elses culture, do so!



As for global warming, most people yelling about it are actually super scared (As am I). We may be looking at the end of the world as we know it in our lifetimes, it should not be suprising some people are freaking out and going a bit crazy.

Racism goes both ways, but in most nations that are fighting racism, racism against black people is vastly more common and damaging. Society as a whole is more racist towards blacks, and while individals can be dickheads, racism agianst white people is not part of the wests overall culture, so ultimately its less vital to fight it (Also a lot of it is reactionary, "you are racist towards us, so we will be racist back." Fighting this directly risks making it more prevelent.)

Multiculturism as a whole is a necessary part of humanities growth IMO. Segregating views and beliefs will end badly in a connected world. We need dialog, and we also need to see eachother as people. that is the ONLY way forward for humanity as a society and culture.




Then again, thats just what I think. Maybe everyone else completely disagrees.

I don't think you understand what nationalism is.


If there where no nationalism France would still be divided into Gascones Franciens and all the different Frankish identities that exist and quarreled before the idea of a shared Frankish identity.


Same with Germany Europe pretty much everywhere Nationalism just believe that the needs of France for example come above the needs of say England it does not mean you believe yourself to be inherently superior just that you care for your nation and the people who are in it pretty obvious with the state of things globalists failed so why not make a change?


Ultra nationalism is what you are talking about it came about much later and for the most part died after world war 2.






Then why if that is my countries job should we be invading and intervening in pointless wars that waste American lives and money when so many are bad off here?


Why are we allowing so much illegal immigration to continue when there is already a shortage of jobs and why is it wrong or racist to complain about it? The illegals will bring nothing to the table and live terrible lives to be exploited by globalist business owners who only want cheap labor and no benefits.


Why should Europe cripple there economies and welfare systems to support masses of refugees who contribute nothing and do not believe in values such as gay marriage separation of church and state and freedom of speech?


There are plenty of examples I can name off of why globalism isnt protecting its own citizens.


And the nation is just a lump of dirt? Its a lump of dirt you live on and make a living on it's quite a bit more then a lump of dirt.
Then why should the natives complain about all the dirt we took from them if it is so worthless?








Quit acting like elitist ass hats then. the average working class person doesn't disagree with you because they have something to gain from it like a businessman they disagree with you because you act better then them.
Same reason everyone hates vegans.


Also stop quoting people like Al Gore and Michael Moore they are giant polluting hypocrites.




At least we agree it goes both ways. But now instead of just saying it speak out against it white people who don't want to feel like some pet to the left who cant have an opinion unless it came out of a black mans mouth first will naturally react in anger to all this blame whitey trash coming from left wingers.  I see no one on the left speak out against black nationalism or against racially motivated attacks on white people.


Which naturally will create more white nationalists and the average white person who isnt the lefts pet will care nothing for the problems of minorities because its perceived that minorities hate them.
 




I didn't say multiculturalism is bad I said over doing it is. Look at Europe.

[asterisk]

Hate to say this, but... I agree with the (Captain) Degenerate here. xD

SJWs are the bane of my existence. They're only good for funny videos (like Trigglypuff, AIDS Skrillex, etc.). Other than that, they should not exist, and "Antifa" pose a serious threat when they keep attacking any student at their university who disagrees with them.

I can now never attend college (unless overseas) because they've taken over all of them.

I don't believe in white people, males, cis people, and straight people bending over backwards for "oppressed demographics" when we have our own individual problems to deal with.

Nor do I believe in making everything "intersectional"- which means that if I want to talk about my own mental illness, I cannot. I need to give the podium to a trans woman of color or whatever, because she's more oppressed.

It's insane and making everyone divided. "He will not divide us"... because they already did.

[anoni]

A lot of the crazy "radical" leftists are either on the internet or in activist societies at Uni. A lot of people start to disassociate from leftist movement because of the radical left, but they're really so few and far between, they're just interest so they make a loud noise, a large shadow. But in truth, they are a minority of the left, and so you can be center left without disparaging your own political ideology.

[Captain Degenerate]

A lot of the crazy "radical" leftists are either on the internet or in activist societies at Uni. A lot of people start to disassociate from leftist movement because of the radical left, but they're really so few and far between, they're just interest so they make a loud noise, a large shadow. But in truth, they are a minority of the left, and so you can be center left without disparaging your own political ideology.

I've hardly seen anyone from the so called center left make any proper effort to speak out against that trash though so as far as I am concerned condoning or ignoring it is supporting it a lot of them have no spine nor principle or actually do support those views.


How can I take people who say all lives matter and then Apologize and take there words back when some worthless race card flinger calls them a racist or fascist? Are they afraid? Why?




And why is it so many of the mainstream the so called center left actually endorse that far left nonsense or at least adopt positions in favor of it?




I'm probably just more hostile because for the most part I'm not center left anyway and absolutes and decisions made on emotion or in anger about something are almost always bad. Most of my leftist views go only so far as tolerance being non biased and freedom of expression.


I'm afraid to say if I didn't common sense didn't have decent parents didn't know good folk and let anger and bias run all my views I'd probably have become a Neo Nazi years ago.

[asterisk]

It's really easy for white males to be swayed to Nazism... I almost am at many times. Not like they'd accept a gay feminine man with Ashkenazi Jewish family members but still, they'd accept me more than the SJWs would. And that's really freaking sad.

[Blaiiine]

As an individualistic-anarchist, I honestly hate that this new-age version of liberalism has co-opted terms like "antifa". That term was originally used by European anarchists who tended to show up at fascist rallies as a response showing that their ideals weren't accepted in that area. Now, it's used to describe mad lads and trigguuuurred yuppies.


But on the other hand, nationalism is nothing to be proud of. Patriotism is all fine and dandy but nationalism puts you in 1938 Italy or Germany. It's way too easy for that to slip down the slope of fascism, which from the looks of it is what's gonna go down in the United States.


As for self-deprecating white lefties, it's purely programming. White guilt is a strong thing if it's pumped into you for years on end. And while we white people should admit we got it a little easier than other races, we shouldn't feel guilt for what our ancestors did (if they even did anything wrong). Hell, I don't since my ancestors were still in Scotland/Ireland during the Civil War being slaves to the British Empire.

[anoni]

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