I will be honest, I think this kind of discussion is actually valuable, while I think its a no brainer, stopping and explaining why is a useful exercise. It allows an understanding of WHY you, and society, believe what you believe, and removes logical fallacies and automatic reactions, (though the latter is still worth nothing, as such feeling are usually shared among large groups)
I think zoophilia/bestiality is far from wrong; consent is clearer in other animals, because they don't feel the need to avoid the social pressure to have sex. Plus, they won't hesitate to scratch and kick and bite if you do something that don't like.
This so much.
The issue is there is NO WAY to prove it. While you could argue its obvious, said animals can be "trained" (Read, abused) to do things they do not wish to do, and if there IS abuse happening the proper protections are not in place, and indeed, cannot exist efficiently. This is without discussing the health concerns (Both mental and physical) for both members of such a relationship.
In addition sexual relations require equal power between both members except where power is given up willingly, in the case of animal/human relations, this is impossible. This opens up the possibility of the relationship becoming abusive, possibly even by accident, and in such an instance, there would be no way of verifying if this has or hadn't happened within a relationship.
It all comes down to consent, and an animal CANNOT give consent that would pass in a court of law. "They looked like they wanted it" is not acceptable, and probably also a quote from several convicted rapists, and before you say "Common sense" let me point you back to the first paragraph, how do you prove the dog was not abused to make it more willing for sex?
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Oh, and of course it's an animal your trying to **censor**... that is kinda gross
((Yes, I know that last argument is super weak, and not even a real argument, but it had to be said.))
How do you prove a human wasn't abused to "make it more willing for sex"? You talk about animals like they have no minds of their own.
If you love animals, you'd pay attention to their health and happiness. If you don't love animals, this subject is irrelevant to you because you wouldn't want to partake in these sorts of activities in the first place.
And that did not have to be said; what you find attractive does not dictate right and wrong. You're just being rude.
The first point is true, there are people out there who HAVE been "Trained" for sex. Its called human trafficking. However it is easier to identify, as we know people better than animals. equally, to truly "Train" anything, you really need them from birth, with humans, this is illegal in most places unless you are a parent, or otherwise legally told to look after a child. For an animal, this is just a case of how many kittens/puppies you can adopt/buy off their owners. No laws broken. Put simply, its not just possible to train an animal, ITS EASY, and can be done under the radar with ease, Human trafficking is difficult, and is very easy to get caught with.
The second point is just plain fictitious, people LOVE power, **censor** an animal grants a degree of power. Then there are groups who use having sex with an animal as a form of initiation, or dare, finally, you have people who simply don't care about their mates, it happens in human/human couples, in fact it is far more common than anyone is willing to admit, people rape their human partners, people beat their human partners. Love is not always Loving. Here, the humans being abused have the full power to work against it, but choose not to, or feel they can't. How is an animal going to last in these situations? They have no defense, they have no protection.
The third point... you know what, your probably right, but for 99.9% of the civilized population that is the instinctive reaction, granted not all instincts are correct (Hating gays was instinctive for many people), but here I think nature, and society, have hit the nail right on the head, Animals and humans should not mix in that way.
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