The Random Thread

[Sigcutio]

Yeah the answers were meant to be stupid. That's what I gathered from it 

[ZombiezuRFER]

Although we have refuted religious claims in the past via science.


For some reason, and I have a hypothesis why, people prefer to attack the science as compared to their religion.


My hypothesis is that it stems from most people's desire to be perfect, whatever that can be defined as, and that if they should hold a view or claim that is proven false, they wouldn't be perfect, so they rationalize (in a c]onvoluted way) that science is therefore *against* them because it prevents them from being special.


A second hypothesis is that they feel it can't be right because they would have nothing to gain, as in an afterlife, as opposed to religion, so when they make claims of the nature of religion, they undermine themselves unknowingly and become anti science as a vent of their frustration at losing the tint to their rose colored glasses.

[Sigcutio]

Those are some interesting hypotheses, but I think they would be difficult to test 


I believe the reason people attack science is because it flies in the face of beliefs that they could have potentially held for all of their life. To suddenly have something that says that what you believe in is wrong is too much for a lot of people I would imagine.

[Furjangles]

King Furjangles decrees that random thread is totally random. Splendiferous!

Rawr, my loyal subjects. Bring out the king's cake for all to feast!

... Its my favourite type of cake, bacon and sausage! I hope there's no pig kin around...

[MrRazot]

I am Sir MrRazot, Lord and Knight of the cake...
and it's all mine 

[Furjangles]

Lord and Knight of the cake? Chivalrous indeed, but nay are ye King! King Furjangles is king, I demand this cake hogging to be stopped! Stopped in a random manner, as par the random thread ofc...

[MrRazot]

say please

[Furjangles]

Please? Please?! PAA-LEEEEASE!?!?

[anoni]

There is many reasons why people believe and want to protect religion. Using Christianity as an example:

• Idea of perfection and significance
• Idea of an after-life, eternal paradise
• Idea that if you don't believe, you go into eternal torture
• Idea that there is someone out there you can thank/blame for things that happen
• Idea that there is someone watching you that is always loving and caring
• Idea that dead loved ones are still around and you'll meet them after they die
• Idea that it's in most societies and culture and some people are conservative about that topic

Although we have refuted religious claims in the past via science.


For some reason, and I have a hypothesis why, people prefer to attack the science as compared to their religion.


My hypothesis is that it stems from most people's desire to be perfect, whatever that can be defined as, and that if they should hold a view or claim that is proven false, they wouldn't be perfect, so they rationalize (in a c]onvoluted way) that science is therefore *against* them because it prevents them from being special.


A second hypothesis is that they feel it can't be right because they would have nothing to gain, as in an afterlife, as opposed to religion, so when they make claims of the nature of religion, they undermine themselves unknowingly and become anti science as a vent of their frustration at losing the tint to their rose colored glasses.

[Furjangles]

Oooh a chirpy debate! Awesome lemme get in on dis.

What people have belief/faith in, is completely up to them, they have the right to believe in whatever they damn please. Without people saying to them that they are wrong because they don't have faith in the same thing. And vice versa ofc. < That's all that really should matter in the perfect world.

However when you think you can push your "rights" off onto others, your wrong. Telling someone they are going to go to hell/other nasties is wrong, these people who think that they can simply judge others based on their own faith are "sick in the head" idiots. Sometimes this is the product of indoctrination which is a sad thing indeed. But when you support a religion that makes hatred towards others for who they are, your wrong. Alot of people need to gain some respect for their fellow human beings. Sadly I don't think enof people born into this world have been encouraged to think without a book/other material.

Because lets think about it, if your gonna be completely 100% realistic... Everything we know right now, is probably wrong or at least very vague (yes, even science) but the great thing about science is that its all about change, if it finds a hole in a previous theory that was thought to be flawless; then BRILLIANT! Lets get our research hats on and find that shizzle out fo realz!
Religion on the other hand seems to call that situation blasphemous. "Blasphemous" is a stupid, stupid word to make people feel unneeded guilt for daring to think.

Back when religion was needed for survival, like for empires to control their population etc etc, science wasn't all that prevalent, it was more mystical magic because they didn't have the tools we have today to gather proof and PROVE it. Rejecting proof on all levels is one of the dumbest and sometimes most selfish (regarding the situation) human trait we own. Not saying you have to agree with their exact theory on the matter but rejecting proof to protect faith is exactly the type of BS I wish didn't exist. Also it infuriates me that priests of all religions get up in-front loads upon loads of their followers and straight out LIE to their faces... I know, that they know, that their "god" didn't tell them jack... So why do they think they can portray a message of an omnipotent being thru their own feeble human minds?

Also another bit of harsh proof, if someone comes back from the wilderness and starts saying that (just an example because its easiest to pick on sadly lol) a deity talked to him thru a burning bush & gave him 10 commandments of life in the present day, they'd be sent to the hospital for dehydration/starvation hallucinations. Back then? Yeah you guessed it, they be a prophet!

And anyway, surveys show agnostic/atheism is totally on the rise, things can only get more logical! Huzzah :]

(sidenote: Apologies if anyone actually was offended by this but you can't just live your life crying about being offended due to what others say/think... That's just selfishly dumb )

[anoni]

Nothing is certain is a key thing about science, it's one of the most fundamental ideas of the scientific method.

Science isn't different, it's not another world from religion and other knowledge. It's just information discovered using the scientific method, which is so skeptical that as soon as one piece of data is proven to not follow the "rule" the rule is instantly broken and needs to be built in to encompass that new data. As long as there was no experimental failure, science has to encompass all data and no "theory" is ever not tested. However, the main thing about science that differentiates it from other ideas of knowledge, is that we can make accurate predictions with it, very, very numerous predictions with an extremely high success rate, something you won't see with most religions. Also, the predictions are definite, not wishy washy, not "you will be happy today" but that "this projectile will land exactly here and no where else".

  Some people think that science is dull, it's depressing, seeing things as data. But... I science is so completely the opposite. An example, people who are religious find comfort in the fact that their love ones are in heaven and they believe science can't have that comfort. But when you think about the atomic structure of people and how atoms move and interact so constantly and progressively, the atoms which made up your loved ones could be anyway, they could even be a part of you, they could be in snow somewhere in Brazil, you could even have the atoms that belonged to Einstein or your favourite idol.

  Still, I think that you can't say that religion is the main cause of beliefs being forced by us. Because, at the end of the day, everything we ever believe comes from something, usually someone else. Whether it's science, whether it's religion, whether it's none of those and just general facts, we constantly believe something without constant proof of it existing. But that's ok. Because nothing is certain and everything you know, is simply an educated assumption.

[MrRazot]

soo uhh...
what's your favourite toothpaste flavour?

[Luggz]

onion 

[MrRazot]

now that's a classic

[anoni]

I like mentos