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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2015, 04:05:51 PM »
I'm fully aware that other companies share user data for profit, google does it to target ads based on what you look up online, Microsoft on the other hand, does it for pure profit. Microsoft doesn't target ads or anything they just are making money off of people's lives. other companies do this too and I'm not denying that, but since we're talking about a Microsoft product I thought it was only relevant to the topic.
Yeah, I'm not saying I agree to this type of behaviour or that it's justified. I'm just saying it's something that's been going on for a while and isn't just something to attribute to Windows 10 as not only do other companies do the same thing but Microsoft was already doing it with Windows 7 (and further back) so I wouldn't really consider that a reason not to upgrade.. Rather on the plus side Microsoft has made several statements regarding this and have included more control to disable it compared to previous versions, so shouldn't that be considered a step in the right direction?

I agree, however, that's not the only problem. Windows 10 is not as hard to hack and gain access to people's PC's due to being more "open" (in lack of better words). I found out if you use Google Drive, hackers can upload files that can potentially steal all personal data from your PC, due to no fault of Google. Hackers could do this to other Windows versions too, but the firewall would prevent such malicious files as well as security updates and your antivirus which makes it harder to do on other Windows versions. Windows 10 is much more open to such malicious files and can do a lot of damage financially.

Wants Windows 10 gets patched with new security updates and becomes more stable and closed off using proprietary codecs, then Windows 10 would be a viable option, but in it's current state, no.
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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2015, 07:58:42 PM »
I'm fully aware that other companies share user data for profit, google does it to target ads based on what you look up online, Microsoft on the other hand, does it for pure profit. Microsoft doesn't target ads or anything they just are making money off of people's lives. other companies do this too and I'm not denying that, but since we're talking about a Microsoft product I thought it was only relevant to the topic.
Yeah, I'm not saying I agree to this type of behaviour or that it's justified. I'm just saying it's something that's been going on for a while and isn't just something to attribute to Windows 10 as not only do other companies do the same thing but Microsoft was already doing it with Windows 7 (and further back) so I wouldn't really consider that a reason not to upgrade.. Rather on the plus side Microsoft has made several statements regarding this and have included more control to disable it compared to previous versions, so shouldn't that be considered a step in the right direction?

I agree, however, that's not the only problem. Windows 10 is not as hard to hack and gain access to people's PC's due to being more "open" (in lack of better words). I found out if you use Google Drive, hackers can upload files that can potentially steal all personal data from your PC, due to no fault of Google. Hackers could do this to other Windows versions too, but the firewall would prevent such malicious files as well as security updates and your antivirus which makes it harder to do on other Windows versions. Windows 10 is much more open to such malicious files and can do a lot of damage financially.

Wants Windows 10 gets patched with new security updates and becomes more stable and closed off using proprietary codecs, then Windows 10 would be a viable option, but in it's current state, no.
How is Windows 10 more vulnerable to than older versions and why would Microsoft not have already considered that and do at least something to prevent it? I'm not denying the possibility since anything can be hacked in one way or another but I'm just questioning practicality/ease of execution in practice it would as usually these things tend to sound really simple and alarming but actually turn out to be very specific and complicated in practice. I did some quick searching on the Google drive thing you mentioned and it seems concerning, yes, but to actually do it in practice they'll need to first get a very specific token file from your computer.. Which means you'll need some degree of access to the computer to perform it.

Stability wise, I have not found anything to complain about Windows 10 and if it's anything like 8.1 it's probably already more stable than Windows 7 thanks to the kernel improvements and UEFI support. Not too mention device support being much broader and thus avoiding a ton of driver issues.
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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2015, 12:58:14 AM »
I've just made the jump to 10
I'm actually liking it so far :P
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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2015, 11:37:42 AM »
This is the article I've been waiting for. Compability and performance.
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-verdict-is-in-on-windows-10-gaming-performance-compatibility/

I'm moving soon.

How does the installation process look?
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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2015, 07:44:45 PM »
This is the article I've been waiting for. Compability and performance.
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-verdict-is-in-on-windows-10-gaming-performance-compatibility/

I'm moving soon.

How does the installation process look?
It's pretty automated, takes a little while since it's a lot of downloading update files and loading though, but it's almost as simple as clicking "install update" and letting it sit for some time to do its thing!
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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2015, 02:36:20 AM »
I'm fully aware that other companies share user data for profit, google does it to target ads based on what you look up online, Microsoft on the other hand, does it for pure profit. Microsoft doesn't target ads or anything they just are making money off of people's lives. other companies do this too and I'm not denying that, but since we're talking about a Microsoft product I thought it was only relevant to the topic.
Yeah, I'm not saying I agree to this type of behaviour or that it's justified. I'm just saying it's something that's been going on for a while and isn't just something to attribute to Windows 10 as not only do other companies do the same thing but Microsoft was already doing it with Windows 7 (and further back) so I wouldn't really consider that a reason not to upgrade.. Rather on the plus side Microsoft has made several statements regarding this and have included more control to disable it compared to previous versions, so shouldn't that be considered a step in the right direction?

I agree, however, that's not the only problem. Windows 10 is not as hard to hack and gain access to people's PC's due to being more "open" (in lack of better words). I found out if you use Google Drive, hackers can upload files that can potentially steal all personal data from your PC, due to no fault of Google. Hackers could do this to other Windows versions too, but the firewall would prevent such malicious files as well as security updates and your antivirus which makes it harder to do on other Windows versions. Windows 10 is much more open to such malicious files and can do a lot of damage financially.

Wants Windows 10 gets patched with new security updates and becomes more stable and closed off using proprietary codecs, then Windows 10 would be a viable option, but in it's current state, no.
How is Windows 10 more vulnerable to than older versions and why would Microsoft not have already considered that and do at least something to prevent it? I'm not denying the possibility since anything can be hacked in one way or another but I'm just questioning practicality/ease of execution in practice it would as usually these things tend to sound really simple and alarming but actually turn out to be very specific and complicated in practice. I did some quick searching on the Google drive thing you mentioned and it seems concerning, yes, but to actually do it in practice they'll need to first get a very specific token file from your computer.. Which means you'll need some degree of access to the computer to perform it.

Stability wise, I have not found anything to complain about Windows 10 and if it's anything like 8.1 it's probably already more stable than Windows 7 thanks to the kernel improvements and UEFI support. Not too mention device support being much broader and thus avoiding a ton of driver issues.


I'm glad that  Microsoft is supporting more driver ready devices and that is an welcoming feature. The reason Windows 10 is easier to "crack" (In lack of better words) are because Windows 10 is relatively new, this wouldn't normally be a problem but Microsoft does not re-write the code for Windows (even with newer operation systems. With all of this considered and skilled enough, hackers can gain entry more easily due to lack of security updates for a new Windows OS using (Mostly) the same code.


Another problem is that Microsoft doesn't take the time to re-wright parts of Windows that can easily be exploited, instead they just put more security into the outer layer such as the firewall. This is good in theory, but fails to deliver because wants the exploitation bypasses the outer layer security, Windows is defenseless unless you have an antivirus that can protect even further. Think of it like this, Windows is a cardboard box and the security updates is a lock; Say a virus is rain, the rain will definitely ruin the box (Windows) without question but the lock remains unaffected.


These problems happen due to Windows was never designed to work the way Microsoft advertises it, Windows was designed to work in a closed, heavily reinforced security servers for business use and was never designed to work in the open internet environment. You may have an antivirus and websites may also have security and the servers you connect to for online games, chat-rooms, websites and so on but that only helps so much. Microsoft knew they would make more of an profit if they marketed computers as "personal computers" and the open internet soon followed.


The open internet is a good thing, however it has little security and that's why Windows is an easy target to exploitation.
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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2015, 07:21:01 PM »
Works good for me so far, except for some minor virtual hardware problems.


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System can't read one of my old USB card readers and Windows 8 apps load veeeeeeeeeeeeeery long.
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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2015, 06:23:26 AM »
A few days in, it's been the smoothest windows experience yet. The generic drivers worked well until I installed the correct ones and it even found the latest nvidia drivers for me.

You just need to turn off circumulative updating. It's a method of updating that allows a computer on the same network to share updates with you automatically. That could seriously be abused, but turning that off, everything seems solid.
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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2015, 09:26:04 PM »
Recently, I don't see any problems, except for Metro apps long loading times.

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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2015, 09:27:03 PM »
I'm really liking Win10
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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2015, 11:50:52 PM »
Pretty much seems like the only thing keeping me at 7 now is the GUI. 0nce someone makes a 7-style GUI for it, I think I'll switch.


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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2015, 11:14:31 AM »
Windows 10 still shares packet data with your devices even if you opt-out of the settings. Search terms, for example, are still sent to bing servers automatically even if you opt-out of information sharing, watching a packet capture via wireshark over https, you can still see just as much info is sent whether or not you're opt-in or opt-out.

  Windows does tend to be more secure than most things, including Mac OS and especially Linux, surprisingly the most secure major OS on the market atm is iOS (Your iphone is much more secure than your android!). Windows 10 is a new software though and a lot of people are interested in finding vulnerabilities, so I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people have broken into it. Microsoft is pretty good about this stuff though so the more people break into it the more patches will be fixed.
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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2015, 08:09:34 AM »
I've upgraded from windows 7 and I love it. It feels so much nicer :3

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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2015, 01:06:12 PM »
I've refrained from upgrading, I feel Microsoft has some evil nefarious plan they're concocting with it being free.

And I say that, despite the fact that I'm gonna be working for Microsoft in a few months xD. Microsoft isn't a bad company I'm just suspicious, when I come back from Microsoft I may be able to tell you if there truly is an evil plan in the works
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Re: Windows 10! Good or Bad?
« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2015, 01:45:25 PM »
I've refrained from upgrading, I feel Microsoft has some evil nefarious plan they're concocting with it being free.

And I say that, despite the fact that I'm gonna be working for Microsoft in a few months xD. Microsoft isn't a bad company I'm just suspicious, when I come back from Microsoft I may be able to tell you if there truly is an evil plan in the works
You know, pretty much all the privacy concerns with Windows 10 people have had with it sharing data and stuff? What wasn't already in 7 and 8 has now been confirmed to have been added in a recent Windows Update for those :D
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