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Offline HellEye

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Re: To Page 9000
« Reply #29715 on: January 27, 2018, 01:49:53 PM »
I've heard it
Everyone seems to have it, so here's mine


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« Reply #29716 on: January 27, 2018, 02:32:19 PM »
Good, now imagine me saying what I posted 4 replies ago in a poor German accent.

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« Reply #29717 on: January 27, 2018, 02:41:28 PM »
It ticks me off when some English people whine about Americans having different words/spellings/pronunciations for stuff. "Oh no, dialects are evolving like in any other language, wow, Americans sure are stupid!"

As someone who has a decent bit of interest in linguistics, just... No. XD


I mostly only find it annoying when I'm forced to conform to US English, but interestingly many of the common "trigger" words have more interesting histories behind their differences like aluminum/aluminium.


I do despise Noah Webster though.  But if he'd done a better job he'd be my hero! XD  History and foxes are fickle...

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« Reply #29718 on: January 27, 2018, 03:27:10 PM »
Is there history behind the changes in the spelling?
Everyone seems to have it, so here's mine


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« Reply #29719 on: January 27, 2018, 04:01:46 PM »
Well, for some words there's weird little quirks, but for many of the changes Noah Webster decided to make improvements when he wrote his dictionary.  Like Sulphur to sulfur and that sort of thing, but because it was done in an ad hoc way it wasn't consistent or driven by a singular aim (such as simplicity or faithfulness to the etymology),


Some words like faucet used to be used in British English but fell into disuse but continue on in America.


Aluminium originally was Alumium (coined by it's discoverer) then was changed to aluminum (which actually makes the most sense for technical reasons) but was renamed aluminium to be consistent with other elements but not with the consent of the discoverer.


Even though I think "mistakes were made" it's foolish to try to discard American English as just wrong which a lot of people try to do.  If you start going back and undoing that sort of thing you'd have to go back much further.  For example the word indict has a silent c in it because even though it was always pronounced "indite" because linguists knew it derived from the Latin indicere they deemed it should reflect that by having a c.  So it was given a silent letter to show off in a way.


It should never have happened but that's the 1600's for you!




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Re: To Page 9000
« Reply #29720 on: January 27, 2018, 04:10:54 PM »
Basically what humans do.

Hey, we passed 30k posts here

Also I'm going for now, dad's birthday party
Everyone seems to have it, so here's mine


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« Reply #29721 on: January 27, 2018, 04:16:53 PM »
Yup XD


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« Reply #29722 on: January 27, 2018, 05:35:39 PM »
Have a grrrreat time!

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« Reply #29723 on: January 27, 2018, 06:32:03 PM »
Well I'm back.
Everyone seems to have it, so here's mine


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« Reply #29724 on: January 27, 2018, 06:45:11 PM »
Short party, if you ask me.

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« Reply #29725 on: January 27, 2018, 06:47:45 PM »
It's still going, but I'm not a party animal
Everyone seems to have it, so here's mine


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« Reply #29726 on: January 27, 2018, 06:53:04 PM »
Ah, I see how it is.

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« Reply #29727 on: January 27, 2018, 06:58:25 PM »
Yea, I hid away.
Everyone seems to have it, so here's mine


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« Reply #29728 on: January 27, 2018, 07:10:18 PM »
Well, for some words there's weird little quirks, but for many of the changes Noah Webster decided to make improvements when he wrote his dictionary.  Like Sulphur to sulfur and that sort of thing, but because it was done in an ad hoc way it wasn't consistent or driven by a singular aim (such as simplicity or faithfulness to the etymology),


Some words like faucet used to be used in British English but fell into disuse but continue on in America.


Aluminium originally was Alumium (coined by it's discoverer) then was changed to aluminum (which actually makes the most sense for technical reasons) but was renamed aluminium to be consistent with other elements but not with the consent of the discoverer.


Even though I think "mistakes were made" it's foolish to try to discard American English as just wrong which a lot of people try to do.  If you start going back and undoing that sort of thing you'd have to go back much further.  For example the word indict has a silent c in it because even though it was always pronounced "indite" because linguists knew it derived from the Latin indicere they deemed it should reflect that by having a c.  So it was given a silent letter to show off in a way.


It should never have happened but that's the 1600's for you!





Yay! Someone finally understands the "aluminum" thing! Also, there are other elements with the -num suffix, like platinum and lanthanum. I don't get how people forget that platinum is a thing when they rant about the -num "making no sense". :P


Oh, another fun fact: "Fall" for autumn actually started in England around the 16th century and was carried over to the US, then gradually phased out in England.

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« Reply #29729 on: January 27, 2018, 07:16:10 PM »
Fall is a nice quick name, Autumn is prettier.
Everyone seems to have it, so here's mine


 

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