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Building a PC need opinions.
« on: November 20, 2014, 05:40:48 PM »
Building my first PC. A mini itx. My main focus is gaming, go fogure. DayZ and armaIi are what got me looking into this. Running them on my laptop sucks.

I have a $1000 budget, my goal is to get everything for a total of $800 on black friday.

Below is a list of everything I'm currently going to get.

I'm wondering if you would change anything - namely if there is a faster part for the same price or less. More importantly, in wondering if there are any points of possible bottlenecking that you can identify.

Oh, and if all parts are compatible.

The kit that I started with was the "mini itx" kit on this website. It's the third one down:

http://elitegamingcomputers.com/the-best-gaming-computers-under-800/

I then  changed a few parts and added a few that brought up the total. Because the kit didn't include a monitor and I added a ssd the total shot to $1200.

Here's the plan:

G.SKILL 8GB (2 x 4GB) Ripjaws X Series DDR3 1600MHz PC3-12800 240-Pin Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004KY719A/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_TRFBub04FFR6D

Asus Z97I-PLUS Motherboard https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K2R6E0Q/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_wSFBub1543V6A

Intel Core i5-4690K Processor 3.5 GHz LGA 1150 BX80646I54690K https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KPRWB9G/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_1SFBub0FT72SV

ASUS GTX760-DC2OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX760 2GB GDDR5 256-bit, DVI-I/DVI-D/ HDMI/DP PCI-Express 3.0 SLI ready Graphic Card OC-selected 1072 MHz core https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DBPKEOI/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_eWFBub0YHZNTY

Kingston Digital 120GB SSDNow V300 SATA 3 2.5 (7mm height) with Adapter Solid State Drive 2.5-Inch SV300S37A/120G https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A1ZTZOG/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_sVFBub1FVQDQW

WD Blue 1 TB Desktop Hard Drive: 3.5 Inch, 7200 RPM, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64 MB Cache - WD10EZEX https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0088PUEPK/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_VVFBub01ZNDG4

Cooler Master Hyper TX3 - CPU Cooler with 3 Direct Contact Heat Pipes (RR-910-HTX3-G1) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0028Y4S9K/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_TWFBub1A7B1W3

Fractal Design Node 304 Mini-ITX Hybrid Computer Case FD-CA-NODE-304-BL https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009LHF4FO/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_AYFBub1KJPV8W

Asus VS247H-P 23.6-Inch Full-HD LED-Lit LCD Monitor https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005BZNDS0/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_ZYFBub12BPX5M

And then I also got Artic Silver 5 thermal paste, a hard drive bay converter for the smaller drive, and Windows 7 home premium.

Windows 7 will be installed by usb.

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Re: Building a PC need opinions.
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2014, 05:43:10 PM »
i would just put the power supply up in power some more and with your SSD only the os should go on it because it needs space to write and read the os
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Re: Building a PC need opinions.
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2014, 07:10:59 PM »
I'm planning in putting the OS and the games on the ssd for sure. It's 120 gb and with the OS only taking up 20gb I should have plenty of room for just about every program I plan to install.

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Re: Building a PC need opinions.
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2014, 07:12:22 PM »
the os needs at least 10 to 20 gigs to do what it does and thats write and re write over its self so just put the games and that on a hdd

my pc is gonna get another 1 tb drive soon and i am looking at a 4 bay nas drive and filling that with 4 4 tb drives
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Re: Building a PC need opinions.
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2014, 12:52:31 AM »
The list looks alright, although there's a few things I'd change about it;

- Screw that 760 and get yourself a GTX 970 instead! Sure it costs a little more but the performance difference is huge for the extra few bucks you pay!

- That SSD is JUNK. Since a year back or so they changed the manufacturing of them to use lesser components which only has about half the performance of what it originally did (and what is listed in specifications). There's been numerous complaints about the new revision being generally terribly performing. Samsung 840, 850 and Crucial M550 and M600 are the way to go if you ask me. Intel also make excellent SSD's but they're a bit pricy.

- Do yourself a favor and get an SSD with a capacity of at least 240GB, you'll thank yourself later. They are generally faster than the 120GB models and I know from experience that even if you're thinking you'll "just put the OS on it and some programs and it'll be enough" - Sure but all you'll be getting is faster boot times and then everything else once you've booted won't be taking advantage of the faster drive speeds and thus be just as slow as without an SSD, especially considering the WD Blue drive you listed is far from the fastest hard drive out there. Also by just spending the few bucks more for the bigger drive you'd be amazed how much more things you can store on it. I have 90% of my stuff all on my main SSD and my 1TB hard drive is used almost exclusively for backups since upgrading from a 120GB SSD where 2/3 of my files were on the hard drive. A little too much is always better than a little too less!

- Skip the Hyper TX3 CPU cooler and get the Hyper 212 Evo instead, it's not a whole lot more expensive but it is the better model which 99% of the internet recommends for a low-cost replacement for the semi-decent stock cooler Intel gives you.

- Also skip the Arctic Silver 5. Whilst it has a pretty strong reputation, that's based on old merits: It takes like a week of cure time before it reaches maximum effectiveness, dries out within a year and needs reapplying in order to maintain effectiveness (dried paste can cause your temperatures to rise some degrees, not dramatically enough that it'd overheat, but still some degrees higher than it would). It's also capacitive/conductive as it contains silver particles - If you spill it in the wrong place you can actually risk shorting out your motherboard! Besides, pretty much all coolers come pre-applied with a decent enough paste that should work just fine.

- If you insist on using after-market thermal paste, I couldn't vouch more for Arctic Cooling MX-4. It's completely non-conductive and non-capacitive, so you could smear it all over your components and it should still not damage them, spreads very nicely, requires no cure time whatsoever and they claim it lasts as long as 8 years without drying out, something I believe as, when upgrading a PC that'd been running for about 2 years, the MX-4 paste still looked nice and fresh. Unlike AS 5 which I'd used on an older PC which looked like dry mud when upgrading the cooler after only 8 months.

Other than these things it looks just fine!

i would just put the power supply up in power some more and with your SSD only the os should go on it because it needs space to write and read the os
The power supply is fine I'd say. 600W is enough for most general builds. Sure it's good to have some headroom so it doesn't run 100% but most things you read on the internet for minimum requirements is actually way more than your components will use. With a single GPU you'll likely not use more than 400-500w during actual usage. I saw a build once where an overclocked 780TI ran just fine under full load on a 450w power supply.

I'm planning in putting the OS and the games on the ssd for sure. It's 120 gb and with the OS only taking up 20gb I should have plenty of room for just about every program I plan to install.
Actually Windows 7 only uses around 16GB for the 64-bit version out the box as bare minimum. The 20GB specification is in order to have a bit of leeway. That said, with all the Windows Updates, the Service Pack and page file, you should expect more around 30-40GB of usage from a fully updated Windows 7. Then games just keep getting bigger, some newer AAA titles like Battlefield and Call of Duty being as large as 40-50+ GB. Even with smaller games, if you have many smaller ones they add up. Then more advanced software like Photoshop actually take up ~5-10GB in my experience! So, as said, even if you would be able to fit it all on a 120GB SSD you may find yourself struggling to free up space as there won't be a lot of free space remaining. A bigger drive around 240GB or more isn't a terrible lot more expensive yet gives you a lot more space that you might not think you'll need at first but will almost certainly be able to get good use for later on.
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Re: Building a PC need opinions.
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2014, 04:33:54 AM »
I ended up changing quite a bit from the original plan. All parts are now purchased - wishing I had read the replies sooner, then I would have skipped the artic silver 5. I guess for only a few bucks it isn't going to kill me though.

This leaves the question: since I have it, should I use it?

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  (Purchased For $193.09)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (Purchased For $29.99)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste  (Purchased For $6.99)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  (Purchased For $85.99)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For $128.72)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For $53.63)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card  (Purchased For $355.23)
Case: NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $64.99)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $71.24)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit)  (Purchased For $93.26)
Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor  (Purchased For $119.99)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DG 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card  (Purchased For $27.74)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill N900PCE 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  (Purchased For $32.89)
Total: $1263.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2014, 05:03:26 PM »
The list looks fine, although there are a few minor things to mention:
  • Why the Hyper 212 Plus and not the newer and improved Hyper 212 Evo?
  • I'd personally use the pre-applied paste on the CPU cooler instead of the Arctic Silver 5, so indeed, at least it was cheap.
  • The sound card imho was bit of a waste, if you can return it do so. Your motherboard already has a good audio chip built in, no need to add a sound card to it, especially as the Realtek 1150 on your motherboard likely is a better chip anyway.

Otherwise it looks like an okay build!
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2014, 05:51:15 AM »
The list looks fine, although there are a few minor things to mention:
  • Why the Hyper 212 Plus and not the newer and improved Hyper 212 Evo?
  • I'd personally use the pre-applied paste on the CPU cooler instead of the Arctic Silver 5, so indeed, at least it was cheap.
  • The sound card imho was bit of a waste, if you can return it do so. Your motherboard already has a good audio chip built in, no need to add a sound card to it, especially as the Realtek 1150 on your motherboard likely is a better chip anyway.

Otherwise it looks like an okay build!
I got the Plus because it has a $10 rebate and I knew it would fit the case.

I ended up using the included paste simply because I was impatient to wait for the silver 5. I'm nervous about whether I applied it right though.

I'm confident that the sound card will have better audio.

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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2014, 06:24:22 AM »
If you have a drill and dremel, anything will fit a case!
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2014, 09:00:08 PM »
The list looks fine, although there are a few minor things to mention:
  • Why the Hyper 212 Plus and not the newer and improved Hyper 212 Evo?
  • I'd personally use the pre-applied paste on the CPU cooler instead of the Arctic Silver 5, so indeed, at least it was cheap.
  • The sound card imho was bit of a waste, if you can return it do so. Your motherboard already has a good audio chip built in, no need to add a sound card to it, especially as the Realtek 1150 on your motherboard likely is a better chip anyway.

Otherwise it looks like an okay build!
I got the Plus because it has a $10 rebate and I knew it would fit the case.

I ended up using the included paste simply because I was impatient to wait for the silver 5. I'm nervous about whether I applied it right though.

I'm confident that the sound card will have better audio.
The Evo and Plus are the same size afaik! I don't think the different is that massive, just something I thought to point out.

Included paste should, as said, probably work better than Silver 5 so no problems there! :D

Also, as an audio enthusiast who used to own one of the top-notch Xonar STX's.. your motherboard does have better audio. My motherboard has the same ALC1150 chip and that's what I use for a paid of $500 headphones and $700 speakers :)
If you want, you can try plugging into both and switch between to see if you can tell the difference.
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