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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2012, 04:22:01 PM »
what happens when you get bored and everything has died but you??
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2012, 04:24:07 PM »
By that time I should be at least a planet, so I just start from scratch.  Make a new species to "play" with, raise them to transhuman levels and pretty much do whatever you want with power considered godlike by modern standards.
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2012, 04:28:04 PM »
but how would you deal with the end of the universe?
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2012, 04:29:53 PM »
If the universe ever does end, then what do I have to fear? If not, again, what would I have to fear? there is nothing to fear there.
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2012, 04:34:46 PM »
I'm not sure where you get that "become a shell" bit from. If anything, I require more and more sensory input as time goes on, but that could just be me being Aspie. I dunno.  As for brain aging, consider uploading your mind then perhaps? A hippocampus prosthetic is already being developed, already in FDA animal testing!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocampal_prosthesis http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3488-worlds-first-brain-prosthesis-revealed.html  http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6574-brain-prosthesis-passes-live-tissue-test.html
But as for how personality changes over time (i'm just guessing that psychological report is strictly psychological, not neurological) that has nothing to do with immortality.


Immortality does not include sensory deprivation, and if you really wanted to stimulate yourself you could go and do something, or if your an upload, simulate stimulation. You could simulate stimulation perfectly, and that would only be necessary for uploads that are just human brains in a computer.  Why be that, when you could far exceed the capabilities and limitations of the brain?
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1. Psychology is applied neurology, sir, to think that psychology and neurology are unrelated is incorrect
2. I do not consider growing new brains evidence for brains being immortal/only dying because the body dies. Evidence for brain transplants also does not state evidence of the brain being immortal/only dying because the body dies either.
3. Think of it this way, you get a lollypop, it's great the first time, try a lollipop a second time, it's still good, try it a third time, it's not as good, try it a fourth time, still not as good. The stimuli doesn't change, it's just your interpretation of the stimuli.

  It can be explained by theory of relativity, to truly get the value of something we need to compare that thing to something else. We compare most things to ourselves for physical differences, oh look that elephant is big, because it's big to us. To a planet, the elephant is small, etc, to really get the true measurement or data of an object, we need to compare it to other things. So how sensory input come into this? Think of it as a graph of standard deviation, to put it in an easy example, if you always are surrounded by good things, you begin to compare. You only have good things to compare to though, so you can only say that these good things are "ok" because to you their true worth isn't very amazing because you are comparing them to everything else in your life, which was good. Good things seem less good, bad things seem more bad.
  Have a burger at mcdonalds, doesn't seem so fantastic to you, because you always have burgers at mcdonalds or you have better food, you are comparing the burger to your normal food and it's not fantastic. A homeless person though would think the burger was amazing! Because his comparisons are much less than a burger. To think of it mathematically, it's a global derivative of a graph (y axis happiness, x axis time), it's only a sign on the gradient, which if you are always happy, will be straight. But what if you keep going from happy to sad? The derivitive of that would be all over the place and would never be straight. But then we start to ask, well, sometimes you get used to constant change (ie, the second derivitive may be straight). If you notice someone who has a very static life, is not used to change and will react more severely to someone who's life is always changing. It keeps on going, eventually, you get used to everything, any pattern of your emotional life becomes boring, useless. Nothing becomes interesting.

  Remember, if your immortal, you have the chance to do everything feasible.
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2012, 04:38:24 PM »
Don't forget that we get thousands of different stimuli a second, and we can even imagine different stimuli providing a comparison.  Immortality isn't endless tasting of a lolipop, its just like living to 122... and later still... and on and on and on. Just life, with no end.


EDIT: As for psychology and neurology, those are different fields.  Psychology is how the mind works, neurology is how the brain works.  While related, they aren't the same.
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2012, 04:52:08 PM »
Yes, but again it's relativity.
You may be receiving thousands of different stimuli a second, but let me ask you really, do you really think that it's amazing that you are getting thousands of different stimuli a second? I don't, to me I consider it quite normal, not really interesting. Staring at a wall I get thousands of different stimuli a second, light reflecting off the walls into my retina's, sound vibrating through the air, smell, taste, touch. But starring at a wall just isn't interesting.

  When you are 122 you probably would have a slight dulling of senses or how those senses apply to you. This is due to organ malfunction, but I am very sure it is also due to the dulling effect of repeated stimuli and comparing those stimuli. Though the effect of the latter is small, living to a 1,000 it becomes noticeable, living to 100,000 it becomes very significant.

  Also, to understand really understand how the mind works, you need to understand how the brain works. (Yes, that's reductionism)
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2012, 04:59:08 PM »
What I'm saying is you get thousands of different simuli a second, and then the scale is increased when you go by years. Upload your mind and sensory deprivation is a non issue, because you could just change the way your mind functions to be more efficient.
I'm just saying I don't believe immortality comes with sensory deprivation, and if anything, youd have even more sensory stimulation than ever, as who wouldn't add senses to their body? In fact, this has already been done to a limited degree using magnets. [size=78%]http://hplusmagazine.com/2009/09/10/my-new-sense-organ/[/size]
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2012, 05:03:14 PM »
The problem isn't the amount, the problem is the variety
Again, if you eat a lollipop 10,000,000,000,000,000 times, you could say that was 10,000,000,000,000,000 senses, but it's not interesting. So you receive 1,000 senses a second, trillions a year, but that they are not all completely different stimuli, soon you begin repeating the same stimuli, soon things become less interesting.

  Also, as an infinite amount of time goes on, you can create your own senses sure, if you can edit your brain then sure. But what I'm saying is currently how the body works, immortality won't work, but obviously there is an infinite amount of possibilities that could lead otherwise. I'm just saying from what we know about the body and mind now :P
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2012, 05:04:42 PM »
Well we certainly won't be keeping our bodies the same way in the future. In the future, it could even become a prosthetics arm race to become the most intelligent or most capable of learning.
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2012, 05:06:28 PM »
I could just as easily say World War 3 happens and we're set back to the stone age before that happens :P
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2012, 05:09:32 PM »
Then lets create an archive of technology and knowledge so that we can become immortal before or after stone age reset.  I see that as unlikely though, it would mean somebody would have to be very, very suicidal to kill his entire country. Or genocidal.
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2012, 05:15:03 PM »
Actually not necessarily! :D

See, if say Pakistan and India go out in nuclear war, they both believe they have counters and somehow deflect the nuclear bombs to a space of land (or simply get nuked and destroyed) the amount of dust that would fly into the atmosphere would be enough to actually thicken the atmosphere reducing global temperature. Even a local conflict is felt globally.

Still, I think we're going off-topic, so lets ask a question.

What about the risk that genetic engineering is used for war?
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2012, 05:16:24 PM »
Then genetic engineering would be used to counter it.  Fight fire with fire, after all.
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Re: Genetic Engineering
« Reply #59 on: June 10, 2012, 05:22:09 PM »

What about the risk that genetic engineering is used for war?



makes me think about in the hunger games, they say that they genetically modified animals into weapons, such as wasps that have bodies of solid, natural gold and injects a poison that causes hysteria, psychosis and hallucinations among other symptoms not excluding death.
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