No babies no marriage?

[Self-sain]

I was doing some research for a project when I came across this article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/us/12marriage.html?ref=politics

    “I submit there is a cancer growing on the political process here,” said Emmett C. Burns, a delegate from Baltimore. Same-sex marriage violates natural law, he said, adding, “It does not create a family but a naturally sterile union.”

This statement baffles me, gays can not get married, becuase they can’t make babies? Well seeing how I thought their were so many other ways of having a child other then with your “legal” spouse, either:

(A) Those methods I heard of are complete lies… like the cake..

( Those methods create something that does not equal a child… a super gay mutant baby perhaps?

(c) The politician is bias… you deiced >_>

That being said, any heterosexual “married” couple who does not have a child, nor plans on having one, should lose there legal rights (marriage wise) because it is also a “naturally sterile union”. Politics…

    “I’ve heard that somehow, I am less than natural, I am less than human, I am less than,” said Luke H. Clippinger, Democrat of Baltimore. “I am here today to claim to this house that I am not less than”

That is rather motivating

Note, no of what was said above is against heterosexual people, uniformed religion, or government. Also these views are my own, and do not represent the views of the furry forums, just saying (felt like being all legally correct and stuff)

[White Wolf Guardian]

Well what Emmett C. Burns said on the part "...a naturally sterile union." is true, but the rest is his opinion. A gay couple can't have kids unless either adoption or some other option comes into play.

[WhiteTiger89]

There are a number of things in this modern world that aren't "natural". Like chemotherapy treatment for cancer. Does that mean we should ban it?

Frankly, I don't see how this is NOT a civil rights issue. People are being denied a right afforded to everyone else based on an arbitrary fact about who they are. Also, about the whole "naturally sterile union" thing, does that mean couples who are infertile shouldn't be allowed to get married.

If churches don't want to marry gay couples, then that's fine. But FFS, let them get legally married in a courthouse!

All this really boils down to for me is this: They're not hurting anyone, so why stop them?

[The_GMan]

Come to Portugal, same sex marriage is legal here \o/

[WhiteTiger89]

And I take it Portuguese society hasn't collapsed as a result?

[The_GMan]

And I take it Portuguese society hasn't collapsed as a result?

Nop, to be honest I'm actually very surprised.

But legalizing same sex marriage is probably the only good thing our prime minister has done.

[TheLazyFur]

"naturally sterile union?" Wouldnt that mean that straight couples would have to have kids to get married, wouldnt it?

[Seko]

As whitetiger89 said, there are many things in this world that are considered "not natural". The aformentioned delegate is obviously biased and has no way to justify what he is saying. If he feels so strongly about things "not being natural" he wouldn't drive a car, he would live in the woods or something, reject all healthcare, not eat 90% of food and many other things.

If a sterile heterosexual family can be intertwined in marriage even though procreation is not going to occurr, then by the same guidelines why can't a homosexual couple marry?

Also homosexual couples can have children, not specifically with their significant other but through a surrogate or other means. Is this not procreation? the creation of a life?

[Aoren Deringer]

Thats rediculous

Personally I believe it is the fault of many religious presences traditionally controlling the governmental system. Hypocratically.

Life, LIBERTY and the pursuit of happiness. I don't mean to bash religious groups, but its not right no matter who you are.

[Kaprika]

ya know....if you go apply for a job...ANYWHERE in the US..read the fine print and do you know what it says??

it says "in no way shall your application be turned down or affected by race, gender or ORIENTATION
in the workplace...they can not judge, treat you differently by position or pay because your gay/bi/lesbian...you have constitutional rights.

now...where does that go with marriage? why do all these "rights" dissapear suddenly, and become fogoten, and we are no longer equal to all the straight people.
sure they say "hey, dont get all fussy...you can still have civil unions"
but you know what...when racism was all the rage...and they had white bathrooms and black bathrooms.is THAT ok?
is THAT "enough".."acceptable"
no...its not, just cause they give us something similar to what they have and separate it from everyone else...doesnt make it the same.
we want marriage too, dont give us something else dress it up kinda the same and say its just as good NO.
we want the whole package deal that you straight people get!
*fist pumps*

[Aoren Deringer]

Not to hate but that kinda sounded like you think all straight people are like that. Just sayin'.

[Self-sain]

No it dosent, just like with the "racism" thing, not everyone wanted segregation but they never spoke up. Same principles same thing. Just possibly slightly better. Anyways none of this should be taken as an anti strihht thing. Someone needs ro make the babies, obviously gays can't

[Aoren Deringer]

Actually modern genetics are able to breed two female humans. I believe they've already done it in london, just too lazy to look up the article. And I GTG. byes.

[Kaprika]

Not to hate but that kinda sounded like you think all straight people are like that. Just sayin'.

oh goodness no, i have no dislike for straight people whatsoever, hope it didnt sound like it.
OwO

just me gettin all amped up, when i said "you straights" i refer to the gay haters
ur no hater, so its all good

[Self-sain]

As far as I am informed, they were able to make male and female babies from two father "mice", but a seragant donner is still needed. Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but human gentics are far more complicated then mice, and we have only just brushed up on that.