Xbox 720

[Beatnory]

Not really, considering it's a very common mechanic in games. This same mechanic has been used in many games in the past way before Angry Birds was even conceived, all with the same element of gameplay (which is why it continues to astound me that Angry Birds was so successful). And the fact that people play these games for 5 minutes or so just proves that smartphones are not going to take off as a major gaming platform, people just aren't interested in these in the long run. The only phone even allowed to be called a "gaming phone" is the iPhone, after Apple patented it.

Sony had also made a game phone with the same functions as the PSP.

You could be right. at the end nobody knows. but if this happends I'm not surprised.
But now is goes bad with the sell of all the consoles.

wii-u is btw a game tablet.

And let's not forget that phones still run off of batteries, that die.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that games are the worst battery killers out there. Another reason people only play these games for five minutes or so >>
So unless you want to stay plugged into a wall with your phone, it seems a bit unconventional. That is what computers and consoles are used for, I think?

I don't agree. GPS take a lot of enegie but most of the game doesn't.

[Nrein]

My GPS takes less battery then my Sonic 3 =I

Also, the Sony Game Phone thing, is just a PSP with calling features, and the Wii U Tablet is just an accessory to the Wii U itself, and is made specifically for gaming, just for the Wii U. It isn't a "Tablet that can play Wii U games" it's a "Wii U Tablet."

Post Merge: June 28, 2012, 02:12:22 PMAnd again with the "console sales" thing.

That is like if a movie is released to theaters, and four months later no one is going out to see it anymore. And instead, go to see a different movie. It's not because the older movie sucks now and the newer one is better, it's because everyone saw the older one >> Same deal with the Smartphones and Consoles.

More new Smartphones are coming out than Consoles. I already own a 360, why would I go out and buy another one? However, I already owned a Smartphone, but a newer one came out so I went and bought it. That's how that works >>

[Beatnory]

Yes but the looks like the same. Yes there are difference but they want to add more stuff and more stuff. That's why I think in the future the difference become smaller and smaller.
Don't forget to look at the future.

[Nrein]

I believe I made a comment about the future of it?
"By the time a Smartphone has the power of say, an Xbox/Xbox 360, consoles will have the power of who knows what."

And I'm talking within say, 20 years. I'm not going to look farther, 50, 60, even 100, because that's just way too far for common sense speculation. I could say in 50 years we'll finally have personal jetpacks and 10G internet speed, but that's just asinine =I

[Beatnory]

How fast is 10G?

We as consumer will choose what the further will bring. So long there are people that buy a console, there will be a console.
But Nintendo is also bad with performers ans still they sell it. So I don't think the performers is the importens of all.

[Nrein]

The reason that Nintendo's consoles sell so well, is simply because it appeals to *that* genre of gamers. Recreational and Family. Soon, the Wii U is also supposed to be able to fully support what the Hardcore gamers want, as well. I don't know of many Hardcore gamers that use Smartphones and Tablets as even a secondary means of playing their games currently, if at all. In fact, currently the only people I know of that use Smartphones as their main gaming needs, are people that wouldn't label themselves as "Gamers." People who play on the fly, play Facebook games, etc. And that's all well and good for them, hell, I use my phone when I'm not at home to play games, or if I just wanna relax on the recliner and do so.

But as soon as I feel the urge to kick some but, I hop right onto my laptop or my Xbox. It can be argued that you can buy a dock and all this and that for your phone, so that you can do that. But it'll end up costing you more to do that, then to just buy a console and play. For less than $200 you can go and buy an Xbox and two games, get home and play Call of Duty or Halo online with your friends.. For more than that, you can by a Smartphone with a dock and play Angry Birds =I

[Kite]

You're still missing the point.

Games for smartphones just don't catch people's interests enough to be able to take off. People complain all the time about how they're difficult to control because the controls are on-screen and they're just fiddly and difficult without third-party accessories. On top of that, they never have much to offer to the player. You only need to read a few blogs to know about this. In time they'll become better, but they're never going to catch up to console gaming. The mechanics simply don't match. Nor will they ever. The closest we'll probably get to successful smartphone/tablet gaming is one-hit wonders like Angry Birds and extensions such as the Xbox SmartGlass.

It doesn't take a genius to work these trends out.

[WingedZephyr]

wii-u is btw a game tablet.

Maybe if you have a very loose definition of "game tablet." The Wii-U still requires a console box and TV. The screen on the tablet controller is used a second screen, not as a replacement for the TV. The tablet controller was also built with buttons and controls, the way a handheld would be. If anything, the Wii-U is more like a merging of a handheld (like the DS) and a console.

Tablet gaming devices like the iPhone or iPad would have to incorporate those kind of handheld features (joystick, buttons, d-pad, etc.) in order to be considered a serious gaming device. That would kind of be moving backward, since the whole reason those devices were developed was to REMOVE the button functionality of previous devices (phones, computers) and make use of touch navigation.

It might make sense for Nintendo to move to tablet gaming in the near future. Because Nintendo actually focuses on casual games without caring much about featuring superior graphics, it would make sense to try containing that experience into a tablet device. Nintendo's current selection of games is mostly in the same realm of games that people already play on tablets (that is, games that can be picked up for 5 minutes at a time).

It might also make sense for handheld gaming platforms to move in the direction of tablets. Nintendo has the 3DS, Sony has the Vita. BOTH feature touch controls in some way. Microsoft currently has no dedicated gaming handheld. It would make definitely make sense for Microsoft to develop a handheld alongside a regular console if they chose to do it, and it's very likely that if they did, it would incorporate touch controls in some way.

But it does not make sense for Microsoft to attempt to replace a console with a handheld tablet device. The DS in no way replaced the Wii. The PS Vita in no way replaces the existence of the PS3. Even current tablet devices are not a replacement for serious PC gaming. Using a console and using a handheld gaming device are two completely different experiences for a gamer, and should be treated as such.

So if Microsoft does want to start developing a handheld gaming device, then that's definitely a possibility, but it would be silly to expect a handheld device could replace the console experience at any time in the near future.

[Nrein]

*Gives the Cagon a plate of cookies*
Yeah, that pretty much just summarized all of that right there >3>

[Beatnory]

But as soon as I feel the urge to kick some but, I hop right onto my laptop or my Xbox. It can be argued that you can buy a dock and all this and that for your phone, so that you can do that. But it'll end up costing you more to do that, then to just buy a console and play. For less than $200 you can go and buy an Xbox and two games, get home and play Call of Duty or Halo online with your friends.. For more than that, you can by a Smartphone with a dock and play Angry Birds =I

That's maby by you but here smartphones are a lor of cheaper then a xbox (xbox = 200 Euro and smartphone beging at 90 Euro). Most of the people get them free from the mobile provider.And the games of Smartphones are cheaper.

You're still missing the point.

Games for smartphones just don't catch people's interests enough to be able to take off. People complain all the time about how they're difficult to control because the controls are on-screen and they're just fiddly and difficult without third-party accessories. On top of that, they never have much to offer to the player. You only need to read a few blogs to know about this. In time they'll become better, but they're never going to catch up to console gaming. The mechanics simply don't match. Nor will they ever. The closest we'll probably get to successful smartphone/tablet gaming is one-hit wonders like Angry Birds and extensions such as the Xbox SmartGlass.

It doesn't take a genius to work these trends out.

People are changing, more and more people want to play different type of games. Sure the smartphones and tablets are not good enoug (yet) fot that type of games.
Also there is a new group of people that are playing games. these new people want to play diffrent games that.

wii-u is btw a game tablet.

Maybe if you have a very loose definition of "game tablet." The Wii-U still requires a console box and TV. The screen on the tablet controller is used a second screen, not as a replacement for the TV. The tablet controller was also built with buttons and controls, the way a handheld would be. If anything, the Wii-U is more like a merging of a handheld (like the DS) and a console.

Tablet gaming devices like the iPhone or iPad would have to incorporate those kind of handheld features (joystick, buttons, d-pad, etc.) in order to be considered a serious gaming device. That would kind of be moving backward, since the whole reason those devices were developed was to REMOVE the button functionality of previous devices (phones, computers) and make use of touch navigation.

It might make sense for Nintendo to move to tablet gaming in the near future. Because Nintendo actually focuses on casual games without caring much about featuring superior graphics, it would make sense to try containing that experience into a tablet device. Nintendo's current selection of games is mostly in the same realm of games that people already play on tablets (that is, games that can be picked up for 5 minutes at a time).

It might also make sense for handheld gaming platforms to move in the direction of tablets. Nintendo has the 3DS, Sony has the Vita. BOTH feature touch controls in some way. Microsoft currently has no dedicated gaming handheld. It would make definitely make sense for Microsoft to develop a handheld alongside a regular console if they chose to do it, and it's very likely that if they did, it would incorporate touch controls in some way.

But it does not make sense for Microsoft to attempt to replace a console with a handheld tablet device. The DS in no way replaced the Wii. The PS Vita in no way replaces the existence of the PS3. Even current tablet devices are not a replacement for serious PC gaming. Using a console and using a handheld gaming device are two completely different experiences for a gamer, and should be treated as such.

So if Microsoft does want to start developing a handheld gaming device, then that's definitely a possibility, but it would be silly to expect a handheld device could replace the console experience at any time in the near future.

MS is also creating a tablet and smartphone OS (Windows 8). They think that this has a big further.
Casual gaming is indeed for smartphones and tablets. But sony and MS begin also to create casual games.

[Nrein]

There it might be, but not everywhere else =I

You can't assume that just because something works so well somewhere, that it will have to everywhere else. And the reason the games are cheaper, is because they aren't as hefty as the other games, as Kite has mentioned.

And also, Microsoft and Sony aren't the ones making the games, it's the companies making the games for them. And not to mention, Windows 7 works perfectly well for Smartphones and Tablets, Windows 8 is just more *streamlined* for mobile devices. For apps. Not for games. A tablet with Windows 8, won't play a game much better than one with Windows 7 if the hardware doesn't support it =I

[Beatnory]

I didn't sad that Windows 8 is better then windows 7.
Also I did it say before, We life in a diffrent world. Here people don't have time to play a game anymore so they play while traveling.

I'm sure that the console never will be sold so good as before but I don't think (now) that it will disappear.

[Nrein]

I never said you did either. I was stating that just because they're making an OS specifically for mobile platforms, doesn't mean that they're going in that direction.
Truly, the main reason they're going in that direction, is because everyone else is. Apple is dominating the Mobile market compared to Microsoft, so they need to kick it up a notch. It's all about the competition.

[Kite]

Casual gaming lasts for five minutes or so before you set the controller down to do something else. If you want a platform to take off, you first need to entice people DEDICATED to these platforms - hardcore gamers.

Smartphone/tablet games are never going to take off, they don't meet the capabilities of gaming that consoles have. You can call it whatever you like, be it casual gaming or "games are all about the mechanics," but at the end of the day people aren't buying into these games nearly as much as consoles because they don't meet capabilities. Smartphone games CANNOT function in the same way as console games. They'll be good for some quick, cheap cash and for Indie developers to get some practise, but they will not become a major gaming platform. They don't have capability, fanbase or even a practical design.

Maybe in your country consoles aren't selling very well, but you can't single out your country as the "decider" of the future of gaming. Leave that to the consumers at an international scale. Here, console gaming is one of the biggest contributors to the economy, the same as America and many other countries that I can't be bothered to think of right now.

Getting back to the original subject, http://www.oxm.co.uk/42636/microsoft-xbox-360-has-more-than-two-years-of-life-left/

[MrRazot]

Can you imagine the xbox running windows commercially?

A console/desktop