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Furry Chat => Rants and Advice => Topic started by: Vamp on August 04, 2009, 07:39:26 AM
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okay, wth is up with all the anti-furry pix on google?! I mean, come on! the 'Y' word has put us all tail deep in 'anti-furry cyber activists'! Dang pervs! people need to know that this isn't some freakshow! It's a flippin' lifestyle! just look at this!
Post Merge: August 04, 2009, 07:44:54 AM
This is sooo messed up!!! We have the right to express ourselves!!! Those people just need to deal with it! We arn't hurting anyone are we? NO! Those sick pervs who are giving us a bad name are! FURRY 4 LIFE!
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I love how with the news media it's either all bad or all good. Though I'm curious about the validity of the newspaper.
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the newspaper seems fake since it's a bit over the top. I mean, censoring websites is against the constitution, is it not? I mean that's something more akin to chinese policy. Anyway yeah people hate us and misunderstand us. That's just the way it is.
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Well I think they should just deal with it. I mean the problems that some of us run into are really frustrating. Like I have to keep this all a secret to EVERYONE I know!
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A freind showed me a anti-furry website called "antifurrycoalition" or sumthin like that was nothing but weird, for example did it have weird anti-furry downloads, the also claimed that "The basis of the furry fandom is sexual attraction to these walking, talking animals. This unhealthy attraction is a focal point of their lives." Which obviously is false :S
As Vamp said: FURRY 4 LIFE!
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I wouldn't call it a lifestyle, I would call it more like a fandom. but that's besides the point, when I first joined the fandom I was all over anti-furs. I even saw a "1,000 ways to die" episode with furs in it doing something that I can't say but I think you might get the idea. For me I really don't care about anti-furs anymore.
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The Stereotypes are the first thing people can see, most just generalise that and believe that ALL of the people with that interest/lifestyle are the same, which is why this bad publicity is coming along.
For an example, let's look at the Metal fandom, you can get someone look at Varg Vikernes (Burning down churches and murder) and decide that the general metal community is like him.
Best thing you can do is ignore it really, going to leave a Gandhi quote here
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
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I love how they were using that Noxious Foxious guys quote as "evidence".
I mean sure, saying that it is your whole life is a littl far, but I fail to see how that shows that furrys as a whole are messed up.
I don't think the article is real, and if it is, it is from a small town newspaper and they post all sort of weird things.
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I think there's something that needs to be understood between furries and the rest of the community. Furries are going to be hated, for one reason or another. That's...just how it is. It was the same with trekkies, homosexuals, and various minorities be they religious or racial. There's going to be haters. The only thing that can be done is to adjust how we react to them. Right now, if you call a furry a freak, chances are they'll complain about it forever, and that's understandable. No one likes being discriminated against. However, that's also where 4Channers and other anti-furry people get their fun. They love it when we go "OMG I AM NOT A FREAK WAAAAAAAAAAAH!" It's funny to 'em. But if we just said, "Yeah, cool, whatever." What's funny about that? Nothing. Once we stop reacting so heavily, making fun of the fandom will become boring. Like poking a pile of goo. (No derogatory comparisons intended)
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True...true
I like your stance and think i'll take it
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It's probably largely because the only furries who make their way into the media leave lasting bad impressions. We need more guys donating millions of dollars to charities and then immediately afterward declaring "By the way, I'm a furry!"
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totally man. Just think, Bill Gates (for lack off a bettes subject) gives a couple million to a few charities then says he's a furry (most likly isn't) then people will love us and possibly try to abolish all the anti-furry campaigns. Extremly unlikly, but totally awesome.
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Bill Gates is too much of a geek for his presence to affect anything in a meaningful way. But yeah, high profile furries are required
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Well, admittedly, it's not JUST the fault of the furries themselves, although the overly-enthusiastic guys tend to leave negative impressions. It's also the right-wing media not giving a damn about the Average T. Furry ad caring more about the guy dressed up in an anatomically correct fur suit humping his friend. Those guys are rare, but not if the media is anything to go by. It's a bias for the sensationalist.
Basically, I think we're screwed as long as the media wants ratings.
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Such is life
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oho! its back to the stereotyping! >:(
i hate stereotyping of anyone, furries, homosexual ANYTHING! its people ingorance and hate for these stereotyped "groups"
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I don't know what you're talking about with the "stereotype' thing, dude. Don't all of us screw animals? I mean, come on. Don't we? You can't deny it.
This is why the name of Fox news is ironic, all of this sensationalist, lying bullspit. The news media doesn't want heart-warming human interest stories, and they don't want to open peoples' minds, they want ratings. And the only thing that increases ratings more than a heart-warming story is a story about how we're all going to die and stories about murderers and evil cults and all that ***Auto-Censor***. Even if those stories are lies.
People will believe whatever the TV tells them. This is why I hold that, in general, humans are bad people.
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There's a school of thought that that mentality belongs to, but I've been out of school too long to remember what it's called. ;) Wh-what?! Where's my profile picture? Ugh... I'll have to make a new one. :(
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There's a school of thought that that mentality belongs to, but I've been out of school too long to remember what it's called. ;) Wh-what?! Where's my profile picture? Ugh... I'll have to make a new one. :(
Nihilism? Anti-philanthropy? Nega-humanation?
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I actually saw that "Uncle Furry Wants YOU" poster on Deviant Art. I'll admit, it looked dumb, but it's not like we really desearve to die. There's this one guy I am talking with on the Deviant Art page, and this is how it has gone so far.
Troll: Furries desearve death.
Benny: Furry haters are just trolls with big ugly noses.
Troll: Die.
Benny: I am sure everyone wants the same of you.
Troll: Die.
Benny: That's it? My baby brother can come up with better insults!
The next thing he says, I am going to reply with "You were up all night thinking of that one, weren't you?"
Also, Artimus, you are right on the mark.
I think there's something that needs to be understood between furries and the rest of the community. Furries are going to be hated, for one reason or another. That's...just how it is. It was the same with trekkies, homosexuals, and various minorities be they religious or racial. There's going to be haters. The only thing that can be done is to adjust how we react to them. Right now, if you call a furry a freak, chances are they'll complain about it forever, and that's understandable. No one likes being discriminated against. However, that's also where 4Channers and other anti-furry people get their fun. They love it when we go "OMG I AM NOT A FREAK WAAAAAAAAAAAH!" It's funny to 'em. But if we just said, "Yeah, cool, whatever." What's funny about that? Nothing. Once we stop reacting so heavily, making fun of the fandom will become boring. Like poking a pile of goo. (No derogatory comparisons intended)
Funny thing. That guy from Youtube FINALLY figured that out. He says he went back to an Anti-Furry forum, and says he made a better impression.
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Maybe I'm an idiot, but by "that guy from Youtube" are you referring to a crying fur?
Yeah, the thing about the whole "furries deserve to die omglol" thing...ever notice how when you go to youtube or some ***Auto-Censor*** like that, people will be like "I HATE JEWS/FAGS/INSERT-OTHER-MINORITY-HERE"? [censor], that kinda thing was referenced in a parody of "We Didn't Start The Fire" and it's very true. The parody, I mean. None of them are serious. Or...at least very few are. It's like in high school. Surely, those of you who are older or are popular in high school know that when you're in a big group and wanna be popular, you go with the crowd. It just so happens, the crowd LOVES to pick on the minority. Incidentally, this is why I suggest that those who are in a closet stay in that closet until after high school. But that's beside the point, and I may have pissed off some of you guys. No offense intended.
Anyway, you guys who are popular, surely you went with those guys. You didn't really hate this little furry kid or this gay kid, but all your "friends" did so you hurled dead birds at him. (Greg Giraldo reference OMGWTF) That's what trolling is. Getting attention-slash-being popular. And I know, I'm generalizing. "But Artimus, not everyone is programmed like that." Quite right, my mate-pronounced-might-to-support-rhyming. There is another reason. A third one that's all encompassing. That reason for trolling is...
It's fun. Sorry, but it is. It's mean, I know. And it's not right. Trust me, I've heard and made up all the arguments as to why trolling and hating sucks the big or even the small one. But that's what guilty pleasure is all about. Or, schadenfreude, I believe. I mean, go to the encyclopedia-dramatica and read the pedo-trolling thing about pretending to be a FBI agent catching pedos in AIM. True or not, those stories are hilarious and you know you wanna laugh when the "pedo" says "NO! I AIN'T NO PEDOPHAUL!" It's very "lawl."
Now, obviously, I'm not saying "boys will be boys" and leave it at that, but I'll restate my earlier opinion. Poking something that doesn't respond gets boring.
And I hope this doesn't seem like pointless ranting, I was trying to make a point. Anyway, I'm glad the "guy from Youtube" learned...something, I'm not sure what. Did he learn to make fondue correctly, cause if I go to his place and he still hasn't prepared the cheddar to the optimum flavor-value...there'll be soooooo much [censor] to pay!
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Wow... That was a big post :o
Tho i kinda agree with you on many parts
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Well, I like my posts like I like my women...
Well, not really like that. But like something else. Anyway, if you've been a spectator to hatred long enough, you'd have a lot to say, too.
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Another dead-eye bullseye for Artimus.
He's this guy I know. Remember the "Humafag Furry?" That's his insult torwards trolls. He stopped that, now, though.
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huma...what? I can't even begin to talk about how ridiculous that is. Even ignoring the fact that it's the exact same thing that dissenters are doing with the similar name. You know what I mean.
Does anyone even wonder why the media is having so much fun with the fandom's sensibilities as they are?
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huma...what? I can't even begin to talk about how ridiculous that is.
I know. o.O
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Trolling is fun as long as it's clever, like Something Awful. The problem is, most people who do want to troll are children, and therefore are not clever.
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You know, I don't mind SA that much. Mainly because my experiences with them have been okay like two short comedy videos they released at a Rifftrax Live showing last thursday and an ARG I reviewed the history of was really interesting. Otherwise, i treat SA like 4Chan. I'll go there if I see something I can't live without, otherwise I stay clear.
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Just to get this out there (even though you pointed out yourself that you were generalizing), but one of the popular guys in my school (not a very big school, but that's beside the point) was in a math class with my guy friend who is bi (or gay, he can't really decide, lol), and one or two people were making fun of him during a class, and the popular guy stood up for him (pretty much saying "Shut the *** up, so-and-so. Leave him alone."). And I'll say it before anyone thinks it (if anyone thinks it), the popular guy is not secretly gay or bi, not in the slightest, so that's not why he was sticking up for my friend.
Now it may have been a contributing factor that at least one of the popular people was a lesbian, but I seriously doubt it.
But anyways, on the real topic, people mock and/or fear what they don't understand. So if someone doesn't fully understand Furries (as most trolls don't), they just send out messages of hate and mockery and all that other stuff. They're not creative and at least half of them have no clue what they're talking about anyway. It's best to just ignore them because they're morons and they don't deserve the time of day.
And that concludes my rant of the day. Thank you.:P
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I agree that people don't understand furries, but I think that's because they don't want to. They'd rather let Fox News (in this case, the most ironically named of all news stations) or CSI tell them what a certain group is all about. It's much easier than doing your own research to listen to what Jerry Bruckheimer tells you. Personally, I didn't know I wanted to bang animals, but I guess if John Reporter tells me and everyone I do, well, I'll be at the petting zoo.
And at your story, that's the kind of cool person that's rare in this world. Lucky guy to have the popular dude stand up for him.
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I lol'd at the first pic.
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I find it all to be hilarious to be honest, I mean its all like a very bad joke. The world loves to picture us as the perverted bad guys who like to make it with animals, these same people refer to us as the mentally deranged who need help. Its funny because their own assumptions are that of ignorance and judgement and only serves to belittle their own cause. Like trolls the media sees what it needs to see and portray hate and misinformation. What they refer to is zoophilia and most furries are in fact against such acts of cruelty towards animals. In addition there are a lot of furries who take more of a stand against animal cruelty then the average groups of citizens. The furry fandom, unlike the rest of the "civilized world" bears a lot of tolerance for people to feel free and happy to be themselves and share their passions. People of all sorts of backgrounds, ethnic groups and even sexual orientation can stand side by side and enjoy what we love. While we do have our spats just like anywhere else, where else can you find such tolerance in this world? I love how the articles taunt the fandom being filled with gay men like its some offense to the world. Where they sling mud the fandom is fairly free to express its sexual preferences. Most of the furries I know are in fact straight or bi and even the few gay furries I know are good people who just like me want to share their loves and passions.
If this were a moral and intelligent world, us furries might instead be making fun of others ignorance and intolerance but that would go against what we are. Instead we have to live in a world were ignorance breed distaste and distrust. To let this stuff get to you is just allowing them to cut into the love you have for what you do. They will continue no matter what but if you can ignore it then you will find yourself a cut above them. I personally couldn't give the darker side of a rat's hide what they think, in the end I'll still be a raptor and they will still die unhappy in their conformative world. We all die human, but not all of us get to truly live
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I applaud you, Tezz. You always know exactly how to say things, and I agree with what you said.
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uh...yeah, ditto. O3O
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Trolling is fun as long as it's clever, like Something Awful. The problem is, most people who do want to troll are children, and therefore are not clever.
Ya think? That guy from Deviant Art that I mentioned a while ago couldn't think of a good insult to save his life, and he was only 14, and he acted like he was 8.
Troll: Furries desearve death.
Benny: Furry haters are just trolls with big ugly noses.
Troll: Die.
Benny: I am sure everyone wants the same of you.
Troll: Die.
Benny: That's it? My baby brother can come up with better insults!
Troll: You wish you had one.
Benny: You were up all night thinking of that one, weren't you?
Troll: At least I'm not a furry.
Benny: I would rather be a furry than a troll who acts like he's 8. I am done talking to you. You aren't annoying anyone but yourself.
Troll: Prove it.
You know what I said to him? Absolutely nothing, because I was done talking to him.
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Well if you act like an 8 year old then you should be treated as an eight year old. Therefore he is a child.
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Trolling is fun as long as it's clever, like Something Awful. The problem is, most people who do want to troll are children, and therefore are not clever.
Trolling is not something I'd ever recommend because no matter how fun you "Think" it is your always getting on somebody's nerves. If you get on peoples nerves on these boards I will not, and let me emphasize, WILL NOT tolerate it. Trolling is the province of the ignorant and I do not like ignorance cloggin' up my internet. This is a place furs can go to escape their problems and be themselves, we have enough to worry about without trolls bothering us. Doesn't matter their age because trolling is always immature
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I don't know... I personally find it funny to troll from time to time, and think it can be, well, funny at times. That is assuming that it isn't just overrated stuff like "lol furries" and meme stuff, and you give it a rest when it's just going over the top. As far as I'm concerned "trolling" is just another type of joke, really.
Though I do feel at times people treat all of this furry/troll business as if it's a war. I mean, everything people say will have an effect on everyone who hears it to me, and from what I've seen furries are usually the "easy target".
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"sometimes, people treat it as if it's a war"
That's exactly what I mean by people overreacting and not exactly helping their cause. Sometimes, you have to acknowledge trolling as just that. Not particularly malicious, but something that brings someone entertainment. It sucks, sure, but here's the thing: they troll to get a reaction. Why not let their mission fail?
Honestly, I think that about 30% of furry site trollers are actually anti-furry. The ones who are truly anti-furry are being more destructive.
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Artimus, you are like some sort of genius or something. You have been hitting the mark over and over.
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Trolling is not funny. It's not a joke either (at least not to those who it's effecting). It's NOT funny to make fun of people for what they like/ believe/etc. Yes, a lot of people overreact to it, but trolls know it happens and that's what they enjoy. I consider them as a form of sadist really, they just enjoy emotional pain more than physical. You just don't give people like that credit for what they do. "Oh yeah, some of it can be funny" and "It can be fun to do sometimes" doesn't help the situation any, you're just encouraging them so they'll think "Oh hey, some of them think that we're actually funny so we should keep doing this to those who don't find it funny to entertain the ones that do". It's just stupid really. And if any of you encourage it or enjoy doing it yourself, well, let's just say, I don't like you. And I don't care if you don't care that I don't like you either. I'm just saying it so it's out there.
Thing is, people commit suicide every day because of someone who is some form of a troll. Suicide is not funny. And no, me mentioning this is not me overreacting. It's the truth. People kill themselves because of people who make fun of them for who they are, what they like, or whatever reason. If you think that's funny or entertaining, you're sick. If you think that the people who take their lives are overreacting, well, some may be, but some are not. Thing is, no one completely knows everything about another person's life, so being trolled could be the straw that broke the camel's back, not an overreaction at all.
Well, I'm done ranting for now. Do with this as you wish, but you won't change my view. You might get another rant from me, but it's just a rant. I feel no anger in writing rants in this topic; it's just my opinion and nothing more.
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Well, you're right that suicide isn't funny, but are you really suggesting that someone who would kill themselves over something as minute as trolling is such a tragic person? If someone was so depressed enough to kill themselves over something so pathetic, who's to say they wouldn't kill themselves over a comment on Youtube or a discussion with their friends.
Anyway, if you're on the internet, where you KNOW people will act in such a manner, why are you not prepared for such an eventuality like trolling? I'm sorry, but I can't give any remorse just because some guy killed himself because a forumer say "lolz furfag"
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I can understand what you mean by that, but I really grew up around a jokey family, so I honestly do believe that people are offended too easily, and that life needs to be less dull (the way I see it, taking everything too seriously would just make that harder), so while I do go for the occasional trolling (though if I do I won't touch... touchy subjects and just go over the line - like I said earlier, I think people are offended too easily, but at the same time, some things are just out of touch in it, which I'll avoid.). Though, keeping that in mind, I only really keep it to communities I know who can take the joke. If it's a serious problem (or a troll, but even on the most obscure community I go to there are serious things), I would give information, because while I do find it fun, I also like to help too.
On the touchy subjects... as much as death and punishments and such is something not to be laughed at from the opinion of a lot of people, I do admit that some reasons and causes can be humerous to me at times.
But seriously, the only thing to keep in mind here is: It's all in the text of the post. It's quite easy to identify when someone's being at least semi-serious.
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Except it'd make more sense if you actually understood what I was saying, artimus.
The trolling wouldn't be the only factor and the trolling wouldn't be just two words, obviously. I'm not stupid.
I said that it could be the last straw, not the only thing that made the person kill themselves.
Thing is, some people say that they hate trolls but then say they enjoy trolling themselves. Which is basically saying that you are who you hate. In my opinion, trolling and joking are different things.
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I know what you're saying. I'm not an idiot, either. What I'm saying is that if the last straw is so mundane, the last straw could be anything else. If you stub your toe, that could be the last straw! At least that hurts physically. The last straw could be a bully in real life, again that can hurt you and that's a real problem. Someone hiding behind a keyboard and starting up flame wars is not as detrimental except to the psyche of one who's unstable in the first place. I'm not completely exonerating the troll, but I'm saying that if the "last straw" was the troll, someone who any forumer would agree is a bit pathetic (no offense to present company) then the troll was just an excuse, not a cause.
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Bottom line is if you troll on this board, you won't have to worry about doing it for long. I do not care what you enjoy doing elsewhere but as long as your on this board know that we do NOT promote trolling.
Trolling makes this raptor angry, and when I get angry people seem to disappear.
The usefulness of this thread has reached its limit I feel, its turning into a flame fest. Closed
~ Tezztor
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And on further note, following derived from wikipedia.com :
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
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