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Furry Chat => Tech Central => Topic started by: Redpandarl on August 03, 2015, 06:31:53 AM
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I've upgraded to windows 10 and I love it, but I'm curious to how everybody else feels about it.
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Any combatibility issues yet?
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I will stick to Windows 7 for a long while. If it works, don't fix it. I am worried about Microsoft doing something stupid and making the OS inoperable after an update. Also, tons of privacy issues apparently. It is almost like giving the keys of your PC to Microsoft.
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Thus far it has been a great OS to use. It's faster, I haven't had any issues yet, etc etc. I'm at least confident enough in it that I deleted the previous OS files to save space, though that means I can't roll back.
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So much skepticism~
It's all fine, there's a few minor things that could be improved but it's WAY better than Windows 7.
Compared to Windows 8 it's improved quite a bit as well!
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I will stick to Windows 7 for a long while. If it works, don't fix it. I am worried about Microsoft doing something stupid and making the OS inoperable after an update. Also, tons of privacy issues apparently. It is almost like giving the keys of your PC to Microsoft.
I completely agree, Windows 7 (In my opinion) is the most stable build of Windows. Windows 8 and 8.1 was a complete disaster so I'll stick to Windows 7 until Microsoft forces me to upgrade.
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From what I heard from a friend, Steam on Windows 10 has heavy problems with recording voice
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I will stick to Windows 7 for a long while. If it works, don't fix it. I am worried about Microsoft doing something stupid and making the OS inoperable after an update. Also, tons of privacy issues apparently. It is almost like giving the keys of your PC to Microsoft.
I completely agree, Windows 7 (In my opinion) is the most stable build of Windows. Windows 8 and 8.1 was a complete disaster so I'll stick to Windows 7 until Microsoft forces me to upgrade.
I'm staying with 7 until I NEED 10. XD
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I'm planning on upgrading to windows 10 tomorrow or the day after. I'll keep you guys up to date.
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I haven't tried it out, but my father has, on his own computer. The new browser, Microsoft Edge, is actually quite nice and intuitive. The features from windows 8 are there, if you want them, but it doesn't force you to so much as glance at them. Good thing too is that it keeps all of your stuff, so there's no need to back it up (though I would reccomend it anyways).
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I might mention that there is a Go back to Windows 7/8 button in Settings > Update & Security > Recovery.
This feature will work for a full month after updating for as long as you don't delete the Windows.old folder.
(http://cdn3.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ximg_558c7fb7a1654.png.pagespeed.ic.JcWX-KSRGj.png)
I will stick to Windows 7 for a long while. If it works, don't fix it. I am worried about Microsoft doing something stupid and making the OS inoperable after an update. Also, tons of privacy issues apparently. It is almost like giving the keys of your PC to Microsoft.
Try seeing Windows 10 not as a "fix" but as an improvement over what was already good. There's a LOT of things that are better such as bootup times being insanely fast no matter what drive you're using and game performance being quite a lot better. Even older games seem to gain several few FPS compared to Windows 7.
The privacy issues aren't as bad as people make it out to be, it isn't worse than that of say Google, Apple or Youtube. The difference is that Microsoft is being fairly open about it and gives you checkboxes to turn everything off. Right after updating it'll ask you to set a few settings. Make sure to click "Customize settings" instead of "Use Express Settings" and turn off anything that you feel is bad for your privacy. Even after that you can also change whatever you'd like in the Settings-menu! :)
I completely agree, Windows 7 (In my opinion) is the most stable build of Windows. Windows 8 and 8.1 was a complete disaster so I'll stick to Windows 7 until Microsoft forces me to upgrade.
How come? I know Windows 8 had a few issues for the first few weeks but they were all fixed pretty quickly. Did you actually give Win 8 a try and for how long? Because it's not really that bad once you actually use it.. Like sure the whole Metro thing can be debated but if you disregard that one detail 8 was a significant improvement over Windows 7 in terms of details and under-the-hood; The whole kernel is much faster and better making it faster and more responsive than Windows 7 ever was, the Task Manager is reworked and much better and more useful, the progress box that comes up when copying or moving files shows is way better and overall the experience when copying or moving files is much much better (clicking "more info" actually shows more information!), multi-monitor support is another massive improvement too, for example.
All of these well-appreciated improvements Windows 8 brought has been carried over to Windows 10 whilst the things that Windows 8 was criticized for has been resolved and thus I would personally say Windows 10 is the best of both worlds between Windows 7 and Windows 8.
Well, that's just my thoughts anyhow, feel free to disagree but I'm sure updating won't suddenly make your PC explode. It's better than Windows 8 but is similar enough under the hood that essentially anything that worked with Windows 8.1 should work fine in Windows 10 as well!
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Good points
And not to mention the support. Unlike 8 where it felt like it was weeks before good support for programs was available, thus far I've had zero compatibility issues, with most programs even running faster. Not to mention the new features like virtual desktops. Sure Mac already had that but, this is such a nice feature when I get stuck with a single monitor ;-;
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Win10 seems to have some driver issues with graphic and sound cards at the moment from what I hear.
Also the usual privacy issues, they are allowed to store all your emails and basically Win10 comes with a built-in keylogger and yaddayadda. Nothing new when it comes to "anti-terror measures". I'd be surprised if that's new and they only discovered the clauses when Win10 came out.
Personally, I'll wait a few months before installing. Getting software fresh from the release is never a good idea. Way too many little bugs that went unnoticed and are only found out about when users actually mass-test it.
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Win10 seems to have some driver issues with graphic and sound cards at the moment from what I hear.
Also the usual privacy issues, they are allowed to store all your emails and basically Win10 comes with a built-in keylogger and yaddayadda. Nothing new when it comes to "anti-terror measures". I'd be surprised if that's new and they only discovered the clauses when Win10 came out.
Personally, I'll wait a few months before installing. Getting software fresh from the release is never a good idea. Way too many little bugs that went unnoticed and are only found out about when users actually mass-test it.
Do check up on what I posted above.
The driver issues you may have heard of was a minor Nvidia one. This was already fixed in the latest 353.62-driver which was released on the same day as Windows 10 was released (July 29).
Don't listen to everything you hear, I updated as soon as the update was available and haven't had a single issue at all either on my laptop or desktop. There's no problems at all that would flat out break anything since Windows 10 was made in a way so essentially anything that works fine on 8.1 will work on Windows 10. If you're updating from Windows 7 instead of 8.1 perhaps you might need to update a few things but otherwise there shouldn't be any major issues that will stop your computer from working.
(And there's also the "Return to Windows 7 / 8.1" button in case you'd want to revert the update for whatever reason.
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I'm still awaiting in the reservation process :( but I think it could be a good OS... But until I don't have it, I don't know :(
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I'm still awaiting in the reservation process :( but I think it could be a good OS... But until I don't have it, I don't know :(
You can force update, using tool from here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10)
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I actually do believe what my local IT-people tell me.
Currently there doesn't seem to be any reason to upgrade. I'd rather install it later and have all the little issues solved than possibly loose days because I installed and then deinstalled it. The list of issues there seem to be is long enough :I If asked for I can try to translate and paste them over here too as I am natively speaking german.
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I might mention that there is a Go back to Windows 7/8 button in Settings > Update & Security > Recovery.
This feature will work for a full month after updating for as long as you don't delete the Windows.old folder.
(http://cdn3.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ximg_558c7fb7a1654.png.pagespeed.ic.JcWX-KSRGj.png)
I will stick to Windows 7 for a long while. If it works, don't fix it. I am worried about Microsoft doing something stupid and making the OS inoperable after an update. Also, tons of privacy issues apparently. It is almost like giving the keys of your PC to Microsoft.
Try seeing Windows 10 not as a "fix" but as an improvement over what was already good. There's a LOT of things that are better such as bootup times being insanely fast no matter what drive you're using and game performance being quite a lot better. Even older games seem to gain several few FPS compared to Windows 7.
The privacy issues aren't as bad as people make it out to be, it isn't worse than that of say Google, Apple or Youtube. The difference is that Microsoft is being fairly open about it and gives you checkboxes to turn everything off. Right after updating it'll ask you to set a few settings. Make sure to click "Customize settings" instead of "Use Express Settings" and turn off anything that you feel is bad for your privacy. Even after that you can also change whatever you'd like in the Settings-menu! :)
I completely agree, Windows 7 (In my opinion) is the most stable build of Windows. Windows 8 and 8.1 was a complete disaster so I'll stick to Windows 7 until Microsoft forces me to upgrade.
How come? I know Windows 8 had a few issues for the first few weeks but they were all fixed pretty quickly. Did you actually give Win 8 a try and for how long? Because it's not really that bad once you actually use it.. Like sure the whole Metro thing can be debated but if you disregard that one detail 8 was a significant improvement over Windows 7 in terms of details and under-the-hood; The whole kernel is much faster and better making it faster and more responsive than Windows 7 ever was, the Task Manager is reworked and much better and more useful, the progress box that comes up when copying or moving files shows is way better and overall the experience when copying or moving files is much much better (clicking "more info" actually shows more information!), multi-monitor support is another massive improvement too, for example.
All of these well-appreciated improvements Windows 8 brought has been carried over to Windows 10 whilst the things that Windows 8 was criticized for has been resolved and thus I would personally say Windows 10 is the best of both worlds between Windows 7 and Windows 8.
Well, that's just my thoughts anyhow, feel free to disagree but I'm sure updating won't suddenly make your PC explode. It's better than Windows 8 but is similar enough under the hood that essentially anything that worked with Windows 8.1 should work fine in Windows 10 as well!
Windows 8 didn't have the start menu and instead of a list of options, they make the whole screen the start menu. Nothing is where you want it and it's a pain to cycle between something you're doing and the full screen start menu. Windows 8.1 has the same problems and even more as they brought back the start button but not the menu which makes little sense. Windows 10 combines the god-awful Windows 8 with Windows 7 plus it's more open which makes it easier to breach and that means privacy is a huge issue. Even with all of the settings to share data are disabled.
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Windows 8 didn't have the start menu and instead of a list of options, they make the whole screen the start menu. Nothing is where you want it and it's a pain to cycle between something you're doing and the full screen start menu. Windows 8.1 has the same problems and even more as they brought back the start button but not the menu which makes little sense. Windows 10 combines the god-awful Windows 8 with Windows 7 plus it's more open which makes it easier to breach and that means privacy is a huge issue. Even with all of the settings to share data are disabled.
But my point is, if you disregard that one interface change, Windows 8 brought tons on really good and well needed improvements. Apart from the aforementioned improvementss there's also UEFI support which help not only with dramatically increasing boot times but also system stability and motherboard features support as well as better SSD support which helps your SSD run fast and not lose performance over time and also last longer due to less wear of the NAND. The list could go on forever.
Windows 8 wasn't "good awful", it was a really good OS with an ugly shell. Like a great book that got judged too much by its cover and slightly bad page layout.
Windows 10 took all those great things from Windows 8 and polished the surface to make it a more enjoyable experience.
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Windows 8 didn't have the start menu and instead of a list of options, they make the whole screen the start menu. Nothing is where you want it and it's a pain to cycle between something you're doing and the full screen start menu. Windows 8.1 has the same problems and even more as they brought back the start button but not the menu which makes little sense. Windows 10 combines the god-awful Windows 8 with Windows 7 plus it's more open which makes it easier to breach and that means privacy is a huge issue. Even with all of the settings to share data are disabled.
Especially since Updates now are P2P shareable. It's only a question of time when compromised updates are shared. Why try to get people to install malware by clicking links in their emails if you can just stick it into the Updates everyone so willingly installs?
Also, related comic in case someone says it's well encrypted:
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png)
edit: Forgot to add the source. https://xkcd.com/538/
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Especially since Updates now are P2P shareable. It's only a question of time when compromised updates are shared. Why try to get people to install malware by clicking links in their emails if you can just stick it into the Updates everyone so willingly installs?
Also, related comic in case someone says it's well encrypted:
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png)
edit: Forgot to add the source. https://xkcd.com/538/
That isn't necessarily as big of a concern as it's made out to be;
First and foremost you can change the settings between full p2p, only use p2p within the local network or don't use it at all.
Secondly, I'm sure they've thought of the security so I'm sure that it's all verified against a trusted server at the very least using checksums to ensure the update files are valid and only the proper files are downloaded. Torrents seem to manage just fine ensuring nothing but the specified files are downloaded.
Also, this is a technology used more commonly then you may be aware; P2P updates are used in quite a few games to more efficiently distribute updates, MOBA's and MMO's especially. It's also used by a few cloud storage services like Dropbox - Both locally to speed up syncing files between your own devices connected to the same network (Dropbox calls this "LAN sync") as well as universally to prevent uploading duplicates of a file more times than is necessary.
Sure it's possible, but so long they have a decent method of preventing someone from just putting a random file in their upload folder and have it be distributed as an update it'd probably be easier to hack into Microsoft's update servers and upload the malicious code that way and have it be distributed to any Windows version (not just 10).
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Windows 8 didn't have the start menu and instead of a list of options, they make the whole screen the start menu. Nothing is where you want it and it's a pain to cycle between something you're doing and the full screen start menu. Windows 8.1 has the same problems and even more as they brought back the start button but not the menu which makes little sense. Windows 10 combines the god-awful Windows 8 with Windows 7 plus it's more open which makes it easier to breach and that means privacy is a huge issue. Even with all of the settings to share data are disabled.
Especially since Updates now are P2P shareable. It's only a question of time when compromised updates are shared. Why try to get people to install malware by clicking links in their emails if you can just stick it into the Updates everyone so willingly installs?
Also, related comic in case someone says it's well encrypted:
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png)
edit: Forgot to add the source. https://xkcd.com/538/
Checksums sent from MS server, to check them up after download.
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Windows 8 didn't have the start menu and instead of a list of options, they make the whole screen the start menu. Nothing is where you want it and it's a pain to cycle between something you're doing and the full screen start menu. Windows 8.1 has the same problems and even more as they brought back the start button but not the menu which makes little sense. Windows 10 combines the god-awful Windows 8 with Windows 7 plus it's more open which makes it easier to breach and that means privacy is a huge issue. Even with all of the settings to share data are disabled.
But my point is, if you disregard that one interface change, Windows 8 brought tons on really good and well needed improvements. Apart from the aforementioned improvementss there's also UEFI support which help not only with dramatically increasing boot times but also system stability and motherboard features support as well as better SSD support which helps your SSD run fast and not lose performance over time and also last longer due to less wear of the NAND. The list could go on forever.
Windows 8 wasn't "good awful", it was a really good OS with an ugly shell. Like a great book that got judged too much by its cover and slightly bad page layout.
Windows 10 took all those great things from Windows 8 and polished the surface to make it a more enjoyable experience.
Maybe if you look at it that way, I just found it inconvenient to use overall, plus I like Windows 7 better. This is my opinion though
Post Merge: August 06, 2015, 04:03:28 PM
Windows 8 didn't have the start menu and instead of a list of options, they make the whole screen the start menu. Nothing is where you want it and it's a pain to cycle between something you're doing and the full screen start menu. Windows 8.1 has the same problems and even more as they brought back the start button but not the menu which makes little sense. Windows 10 combines the god-awful Windows 8 with Windows 7 plus it's more open which makes it easier to breach and that means privacy is a huge issue. Even with all of the settings to share data are disabled.
Especially since Updates now are P2P shareable. It's only a question of time when compromised updates are shared. Why try to get people to install malware by clicking links in their emails if you can just stick it into the Updates everyone so willingly installs?
Also, related comic in case someone says it's well encrypted:
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png)
edit: Forgot to add the source. https://xkcd.com/538/ (https://xkcd.com/538/)
I know! Microsoft wants us to use their compromised OS so they can gain more user data and share it with 3rd party's for the sake of making more money at the cost of their customer's privacy, security and overall safety. Microsoft is getting real shady and greedy even more so then they already are.
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I know! Microsoft wants us to use their compromised OS so they can gain more user data and share it with 3rd party's for the sake of making more money at the cost of their customer's privacy, security and overall safety. Microsoft is getting real shady and greedy even more so then they already are.
You think Microsoft is the only one?
This was all already happening with Windows 7 and Windows 8. Google is doing the exact same with Youtube and anything you search for as well as Android phones. Apple is doing the same with iPhones and iPads etc..
This is something that's happening quite widespread and isn't necessarily to make money. A lot of it is research and advertising (data on how you use various products to get feedback on how to improve said product and data on what you like so advertisers can show you ads you are more likely to click). But, mostly behind closed doors, there's also government involvement certain data collection going on (if you've heard of the NSA for example, Edward Snowden perhaps?).
The key difference here is that with Windows 10, Microsoft is being more open than they have been before with what data they collect (and also allow you to disable this). So unlike a lot of others where we only know through data leaks and people giving out information what they are doing, Microsoft is being more straightforward and actually telling you. It's not a new thing they've started just now, they've just admitted that they are doing it.
If you wanna call that shady, sure, but I would rather consider it the opposite that they are admitting to the shady business they've been doing and are now more open with it. There's still things we probably don't know about but it's a step in the right direction I'd say.
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Not to mention it's not like they're screening your personal conversations on Facebook or browsing your [explicit] folder.
For me, I say let them do what they're doing. In the places they're looking, I've got nothing to hide. There are credit card companies and search engines that I'm more afraid of than Microsoft :v
It's a good, *free* OS.
Hell, the best thing you can at least do is install it while it's free, then create a Win 10 installation media, then roll back to your old Windows. Now you have a permanent copy of Windows 10 linked to your system, that you can install once you're done worrying about them, or at least once your new aluminum foil hat is ready.
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best thing you can at least do is install it while it's free, then create a Win 10 installation media, then roll back to your old Windows. Now you have a permanent copy of Windows 10 linked to your system
That's a pretty good idea, though
new aluminum foil hat is ready.
is a pretty good bad way to convince someone you're worth listening to. :P Some people just don't like the idea of being watched all the time, even if they have nothing to hide.
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best thing you can at least do is install it while it's free, then create a Win 10 installation media, then roll back to your old Windows. Now you have a permanent copy of Windows 10 linked to your system
That's a pretty good idea, though
new aluminum foil hat is ready.
is a pretty good bad way to convince someone you're worth listening to. :P Some people just don't like the idea of being watched all the time, even if they have nothing to hide.
Worth enough to be replied to anyway! I like to assume that means its getting a crossed one way or another :3
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I know! Microsoft wants us to use their compromised OS so they can gain more user data and share it with 3rd party's for the sake of making more money at the cost of their customer's privacy, security and overall safety. Microsoft is getting real shady and greedy even more so then they already are.
You think Microsoft is the only one?
This was all already happening with Windows 7 and Windows 8. Google is doing the exact same with Youtube and anything you search for as well as Android phones. Apple is doing the same with iPhones and iPads etc..
This is something that's happening quite widespread and isn't necessarily to make money. A lot of it is research and advertising (data on how you use various products to get feedback on how to improve said product and data on what you like so advertisers can show you ads you are more likely to click). But, mostly behind closed doors, there's also government involvement certain data collection going on (if you've heard of the NSA for example, Edward Snowden perhaps?).
The key difference here is that with Windows 10, Microsoft is being more open than they have been before with what data they collect (and also allow you to disable this). So unlike a lot of others where we only know through data leaks and people giving out information what they are doing, Microsoft is being more straightforward and actually telling you. It's not a new thing they've started just now, they've just admitted that they are doing it.
If you wanna call that shady, sure, but I would rather consider it the opposite that they are admitting to the shady business they've been doing and are now more open with it. There's still things we probably don't know about but it's a step in the right direction I'd say.
I'm fully aware that other companies share user data for profit, google does it to target ads based on what you look up online, Microsoft on the other hand, does it for pure profit. Microsoft doesn't target ads or anything they just are making money off of people's lives. other companies do this too and I'm not denying that, but since we're talking about a Microsoft product I thought it was only relevant to the topic.
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I'm fully aware that other companies share user data for profit, google does it to target ads based on what you look up online, Microsoft on the other hand, does it for pure profit. Microsoft doesn't target ads or anything they just are making money off of people's lives. other companies do this too and I'm not denying that, but since we're talking about a Microsoft product I thought it was only relevant to the topic.
Yeah, I'm not saying I agree to this type of behaviour or that it's justified. I'm just saying it's something that's been going on for a while and isn't just something to attribute to Windows 10 as not only do other companies do the same thing but Microsoft was already doing it with Windows 7 (and further back) so I wouldn't really consider that a reason not to upgrade.. Rather on the plus side Microsoft has made several statements regarding this and have included more control to disable it compared to previous versions, so shouldn't that be considered a step in the right direction?
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Worth enough to be replied to anyway! I like to assume that means its getting across one way or another :3
Yeah, yeah, just saying it isn't helpful to be rude with your advice. XP Makes it tempting to completely disregard it whether it's valid advice or not.
Anyway, Timmy makes good points. Using the Internet at all means you've probably got hella trackers unless you're paranoid enough to use proxies and encryption 100% of the time. What makes your 0S so different? It's not exactly a fun thought, but it's certainly nothing new.
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I'm fully aware that other companies share user data for profit, google does it to target ads based on what you look up online, Microsoft on the other hand, does it for pure profit. Microsoft doesn't target ads or anything they just are making money off of people's lives. other companies do this too and I'm not denying that, but since we're talking about a Microsoft product I thought it was only relevant to the topic.
Yeah, I'm not saying I agree to this type of behaviour or that it's justified. I'm just saying it's something that's been going on for a while and isn't just something to attribute to Windows 10 as not only do other companies do the same thing but Microsoft was already doing it with Windows 7 (and further back) so I wouldn't really consider that a reason not to upgrade.. Rather on the plus side Microsoft has made several statements regarding this and have included more control to disable it compared to previous versions, so shouldn't that be considered a step in the right direction?
I agree, however, that's not the only problem. Windows 10 is not as hard to hack and gain access to people's PC's due to being more "open" (in lack of better words). I found out if you use Google Drive, hackers can upload files that can potentially steal all personal data from your PC, due to no fault of Google. Hackers could do this to other Windows versions too, but the firewall would prevent such malicious files as well as security updates and your antivirus which makes it harder to do on other Windows versions. Windows 10 is much more open to such malicious files and can do a lot of damage financially.
Wants Windows 10 gets patched with new security updates and becomes more stable and closed off using proprietary codecs, then Windows 10 would be a viable option, but in it's current state, no.
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I'm fully aware that other companies share user data for profit, google does it to target ads based on what you look up online, Microsoft on the other hand, does it for pure profit. Microsoft doesn't target ads or anything they just are making money off of people's lives. other companies do this too and I'm not denying that, but since we're talking about a Microsoft product I thought it was only relevant to the topic.
Yeah, I'm not saying I agree to this type of behaviour or that it's justified. I'm just saying it's something that's been going on for a while and isn't just something to attribute to Windows 10 as not only do other companies do the same thing but Microsoft was already doing it with Windows 7 (and further back) so I wouldn't really consider that a reason not to upgrade.. Rather on the plus side Microsoft has made several statements regarding this and have included more control to disable it compared to previous versions, so shouldn't that be considered a step in the right direction?
I agree, however, that's not the only problem. Windows 10 is not as hard to hack and gain access to people's PC's due to being more "open" (in lack of better words). I found out if you use Google Drive, hackers can upload files that can potentially steal all personal data from your PC, due to no fault of Google. Hackers could do this to other Windows versions too, but the firewall would prevent such malicious files as well as security updates and your antivirus which makes it harder to do on other Windows versions. Windows 10 is much more open to such malicious files and can do a lot of damage financially.
Wants Windows 10 gets patched with new security updates and becomes more stable and closed off using proprietary codecs, then Windows 10 would be a viable option, but in it's current state, no.
How is Windows 10 more vulnerable to than older versions and why would Microsoft not have already considered that and do at least something to prevent it? I'm not denying the possibility since anything can be hacked in one way or another but I'm just questioning practicality/ease of execution in practice it would as usually these things tend to sound really simple and alarming but actually turn out to be very specific and complicated in practice. I did some quick searching on the Google drive thing you mentioned and it seems concerning, yes, but to actually do it in practice they'll need to first get a very specific token file from your computer.. Which means you'll need some degree of access to the computer to perform it.
Stability wise, I have not found anything to complain about Windows 10 and if it's anything like 8.1 it's probably already more stable than Windows 7 thanks to the kernel improvements and UEFI support. Not too mention device support being much broader and thus avoiding a ton of driver issues.
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I've just made the jump to 10
I'm actually liking it so far :P
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This is the article I've been waiting for. Compability and performance.
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-verdict-is-in-on-windows-10-gaming-performance-compatibility/ (http://www.pcgamer.com/the-verdict-is-in-on-windows-10-gaming-performance-compatibility/)
I'm moving soon.
How does the installation process look?
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This is the article I've been waiting for. Compability and performance.
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-verdict-is-in-on-windows-10-gaming-performance-compatibility/ (http://www.pcgamer.com/the-verdict-is-in-on-windows-10-gaming-performance-compatibility/)
I'm moving soon.
How does the installation process look?
It's pretty automated, takes a little while since it's a lot of downloading update files and loading though, but it's almost as simple as clicking "install update" and letting it sit for some time to do its thing!
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I'm fully aware that other companies share user data for profit, google does it to target ads based on what you look up online, Microsoft on the other hand, does it for pure profit. Microsoft doesn't target ads or anything they just are making money off of people's lives. other companies do this too and I'm not denying that, but since we're talking about a Microsoft product I thought it was only relevant to the topic.
Yeah, I'm not saying I agree to this type of behaviour or that it's justified. I'm just saying it's something that's been going on for a while and isn't just something to attribute to Windows 10 as not only do other companies do the same thing but Microsoft was already doing it with Windows 7 (and further back) so I wouldn't really consider that a reason not to upgrade.. Rather on the plus side Microsoft has made several statements regarding this and have included more control to disable it compared to previous versions, so shouldn't that be considered a step in the right direction?
I agree, however, that's not the only problem. Windows 10 is not as hard to hack and gain access to people's PC's due to being more "open" (in lack of better words). I found out if you use Google Drive, hackers can upload files that can potentially steal all personal data from your PC, due to no fault of Google. Hackers could do this to other Windows versions too, but the firewall would prevent such malicious files as well as security updates and your antivirus which makes it harder to do on other Windows versions. Windows 10 is much more open to such malicious files and can do a lot of damage financially.
Wants Windows 10 gets patched with new security updates and becomes more stable and closed off using proprietary codecs, then Windows 10 would be a viable option, but in it's current state, no.
How is Windows 10 more vulnerable to than older versions and why would Microsoft not have already considered that and do at least something to prevent it? I'm not denying the possibility since anything can be hacked in one way or another but I'm just questioning practicality/ease of execution in practice it would as usually these things tend to sound really simple and alarming but actually turn out to be very specific and complicated in practice. I did some quick searching on the Google drive thing you mentioned and it seems concerning, yes, but to actually do it in practice they'll need to first get a very specific token file from your computer.. Which means you'll need some degree of access to the computer to perform it.
Stability wise, I have not found anything to complain about Windows 10 and if it's anything like 8.1 it's probably already more stable than Windows 7 thanks to the kernel improvements and UEFI support. Not too mention device support being much broader and thus avoiding a ton of driver issues.
I'm glad that Microsoft is supporting more driver ready devices and that is an welcoming feature. The reason Windows 10 is easier to "crack" (In lack of better words) are because Windows 10 is relatively new, this wouldn't normally be a problem but Microsoft does not re-write the code for Windows (even with newer operation systems. With all of this considered and skilled enough, hackers can gain entry more easily due to lack of security updates for a new Windows OS using (Mostly) the same code.
Another problem is that Microsoft doesn't take the time to re-wright parts of Windows that can easily be exploited, instead they just put more security into the outer layer such as the firewall. This is good in theory, but fails to deliver because wants the exploitation bypasses the outer layer security, Windows is defenseless unless you have an antivirus that can protect even further. Think of it like this, Windows is a cardboard box and the security updates is a lock; Say a virus is rain, the rain will definitely ruin the box (Windows) without question but the lock remains unaffected.
These problems happen due to Windows was never designed to work the way Microsoft advertises it, Windows was designed to work in a closed, heavily reinforced security servers for business use and was never designed to work in the open internet environment. You may have an antivirus and websites may also have security and the servers you connect to for online games, chat-rooms, websites and so on but that only helps so much. Microsoft knew they would make more of an profit if they marketed computers as "personal computers" and the open internet soon followed.
The open internet is a good thing, however it has little security and that's why Windows is an easy target to exploitation.
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Works good for me so far, except for some minor virtual hardware problems.
Post Merge: August 09, 2015, 07:53:48 PM
System can't read one of my old USB card readers and Windows 8 apps load veeeeeeeeeeeeeery long.
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A few days in, it's been the smoothest windows experience yet. The generic drivers worked well until I installed the correct ones and it even found the latest nvidia drivers for me.
You just need to turn off circumulative updating. It's a method of updating that allows a computer on the same network to share updates with you automatically. That could seriously be abused, but turning that off, everything seems solid.
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Recently, I don't see any problems, except for Metro apps long loading times.
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I'm really liking Win10
worth the weight
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Pretty much seems like the only thing keeping me at 7 now is the GUI. 0nce someone makes a 7-style GUI for it, I think I'll switch.
I mean there was that update hullabaloo, but I doubt they'll screw up like that a third time.
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Windows 10 still shares packet data with your devices even if you opt-out of the settings. Search terms, for example, are still sent to bing servers automatically even if you opt-out of information sharing, watching a packet capture via wireshark over https, you can still see just as much info is sent whether or not you're opt-in or opt-out.
Windows does tend to be more secure than most things, including Mac OS and especially Linux, surprisingly the most secure major OS on the market atm is iOS (Your iphone is much more secure than your android!). Windows 10 is a new software though and a lot of people are interested in finding vulnerabilities, so I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people have broken into it. Microsoft is pretty good about this stuff though so the more people break into it the more patches will be fixed.
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I've upgraded from windows 7 and I love it. It feels so much nicer :3
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I've refrained from upgrading, I feel Microsoft has some evil nefarious plan they're concocting with it being free.
And I say that, despite the fact that I'm gonna be working for Microsoft in a few months xD. Microsoft isn't a bad company I'm just suspicious, when I come back from Microsoft I may be able to tell you if there truly is an evil plan in the works
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I've refrained from upgrading, I feel Microsoft has some evil nefarious plan they're concocting with it being free.
And I say that, despite the fact that I'm gonna be working for Microsoft in a few months xD. Microsoft isn't a bad company I'm just suspicious, when I come back from Microsoft I may be able to tell you if there truly is an evil plan in the works
You know, pretty much all the privacy concerns with Windows 10 people have had with it sharing data and stuff? What wasn't already in 7 and 8 has now been confirmed to have been added in a recent Windows Update for those :D
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http://i.imgur.com/bNvz7Ww.png (http://i.imgur.com/bNvz7Ww.png)
From what I have gathered, unless it is the Enterprise version, you definitely do not want it.
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as for the 7 and 8 updates those where forced updates that had a telemetrics in them that enabled it i found what ones they were and uninstalled them
as for 10 itself bad because of it not having a media player unless you pay 15 dollers
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Why doesn't anybody actually question why exactly the data of corporations and businesses are not being shared when using Enterprise rather than the other versions that are sharing data? Sounds way too NSA-friendly to me.
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Why doesn't anybody actually question why exactly the data of corporations and businesses are not being shared when using Enterprise rather than the other versions that are sharing data? Sounds way too NSA-friendly to me.
not everyone is a tech person or has the amount of knowledge we do about it
my brother dont understand what malware is and he yelled at me for showing him the proof right in front of him
to finish off my posting here i will leave these 3 updates do as you like but they all send telemetric data
(btw the 2 linked all show the telemetric data support)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3021917 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3021917)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3068708 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3068708)
(http://i.imgur.com/SsghG0T.jpg)
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Right, but the problem with every version outside of Enterprise is that the telemetry will turn itself back on eventually. Shouldn't have to fight an operating system on a daily basis to keep my files to myself.
>nb4 "Microsoft dindu nuffin, Win10 is best."
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im just gonna sit back and await the lawsuits on them when people learn what they are doing like what happened with the nsa
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I'm still sticking with the fact that it's a great OS that hasn't given me any problems yet. And it really doesn't bother me what they collect, and we should be pretty happy they're at least open about it.
And, it does have Windows Media Player, you're thinking of Media Center which was pretty outdated since the year after it came out. VLC ftw.
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And it really doesn't bother me what they collect, and we should be pretty happy they're at least open about it.
Well, after Snowden's incident you could be pretty sure, that majority of companies would spy on you. It all came down to how much.
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And it really doesn't bother me what they collect, and we should be pretty happy they're at least open about it.
Well, after Snowden's incident you could be pretty sure, that majority of companies would spy on you. It all came down to how much.
This.
If you're using Google, Youtube, any modern version of Windows (Including Windows 7 and likely even as fast back as xp), Ubuntu, a phone running either Android (including CyanogenMod), iOS or Windows Phone, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon etc.. or if you're at all connected to the internet you're being spied on.
As I've said before, this isn't something new to Windows 10 but something that's been used universally by everyone on all systems. Even if you uninstall those updates on Windows 7/8 you only remove that particular data collection but that doesn't stop those versions of Windows from spying on you still in the ways it already was. Uninstalling an update is not a magic "off"-button.
Windows 10 at least tells you what they're doing where older versions and most other companies just do it without telling you.
Windows 7, for example, sends information to Microsoft every time you open these (to name a few):
- Start Menu
- Accessories
- System Tools
- Task Scheduler
And that's not after any updates, that's how it was already when Windows 7 first came out.
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And it really doesn't bother me what they collect, and we should be pretty happy they're at least open about it.
Well, after Snowden's incident you could be pretty sure, that majority of companies would spy on you. It all came down to how much.
This.
If you're using Google, Youtube, any modern version of Windows (Including Windows 7 and likely even as fast back as xp), Ubuntu, a phone running either Android (including CyanogenMod), iOS or Windows Phone, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon etc.. or if you're at all connected to the internet you're being spied on.
As I've said before, this isn't something new to Windows 10 but something that's been used universally by everyone on all systems. Even if you uninstall those updates on Windows 7/8 you only remove that particular data collection but that doesn't stop those versions of Windows from spying on you still in the ways it already was. Uninstalling an update is not a magic "off"-button.
Windows 10 at least tells you what they're doing where older versions and most other companies just do it without telling you.
Windows 7, for example, sends information to Microsoft every time you open these (to name a few):
- Start Menu
- Accessories
- System Tools
- Task Scheduler
And that's not after any updates, that's how it was already when Windows 7 first came out.
BUT TIMMUR WINDERS SEVERN IS DUH BERST.
Gotta love how that argument is valid, but any argument why Windows 10 is better isn't :D
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I've refrained from upgrading, I feel Microsoft has some evil nefarious plan they're concocting with it being free.
And I say that, despite the fact that I'm gonna be working for Microsoft in a few months xD. Microsoft isn't a bad company I'm just suspicious, when I come back from Microsoft I may be able to tell you if there truly is an evil plan in the works
You know, pretty much all the privacy concerns with Windows 10 people have had with it sharing data and stuff? What wasn't already in 7 and 8 has now been confirmed to have been added in a recent Windows Update for those :D
Nah, it's not actually the privacy concerns that I find troubling about Windows 10, it's the fact that it's free. Why is it free when all other OS's were not? It seems odd. There are a few things about the release that seem especially odd, for example Pirates will be able to get Windows 10 for free, even if they pirated BUT they must remain "Windows Insiders" in order to keep the free status. Windows Insiders are basically people who are beta-testing microsofts products.
I dunno, call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever but it just seem odd, this whole ordeal just doesn't set right with me. I want to sort of wait and see before I do any upgrading.
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Keep in mind, that this free update is valid for one year. Most of news providers and updater itself forget to mention that.
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"Free" is never free, so I'm not touching it until Windows 10 Enterprise is for sale.
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Enterprise is only available for companies.
You'd need to have an office to get approved by Microsoft.
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I've refrained from upgrading, I feel Microsoft has some evil nefarious plan they're concocting with it being free.
And I say that, despite the fact that I'm gonna be working for Microsoft in a few months xD. Microsoft isn't a bad company I'm just suspicious, when I come back from Microsoft I may be able to tell you if there truly is an evil plan in the works
You know, pretty much all the privacy concerns with Windows 10 people have had with it sharing data and stuff? What wasn't already in 7 and 8 has now been confirmed to have been added in a recent Windows Update for those :D
Nah, it's not actually the privacy concerns that I find troubling about Windows 10, it's the fact that it's free. Why is it free when all other OS's were not? It seems odd. There are a few things about the release that seem especially odd, for example Pirates will be able to get Windows 10 for free, even if they pirated BUT they must remain "Windows Insiders" in order to keep the free status. Windows Insiders are basically people who are beta-testing microsofts products.
I dunno, call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever but it just seem odd, this whole ordeal just doesn't set right with me. I want to sort of wait and see before I do any upgrading.
But it's not actually free! Owners of 7 or 8 will get it free as an update within the first year but if you wanna do a new fresh install or you have a PC that's not been updated after next summer you'll have to pay for a new license. Also if you're running xp or Vista (or earlier) it's not free at all. Another thing is that I believe the update license works as an OEM license meaning that if you upgrade something major like the motherboard it will register as a new computer (meaning potential need for a new paid license key).
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I'm actually not on windows 10 yet sadly...
the test machine I had running windows seven ultimate was completely trashed by the upgrade.
apparenyl during the process of enlarging the system reserved partition, Microsoft decided to not let it check to see if it was writing over another primary partition first. This resulted in the partition where my windows 7 and windows 10 upgrade media becoming unbootable.
After trying to recover the partition using WinPE and Diskpart, I still couldn't get it to restore because the system reserved partition had already been rewritten at that point, and the factory image destroyed, as well as all of my restore points.
I was smart enough to save the key beforehand, so maybe one day I'll call up MS support about it, but seeing as it's OEM, I doubt they would do much. In the meantime, the test box is currently running Linux.
Your slightly annoyed Wolf
~Era
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I'm actually not on windows 10 yet sadly...
the test machine I had running windows seven ultimate was completely trashed by the upgrade.
apparenyl during the process of enlarging the system reserved partition, Microsoft decided to not let it check to see if it was writing over another primary partition first. This resulted in the partition where my windows 7 and windows 10 upgrade media becoming unbootable.
After trying to recover the partition using WinPE and Diskpart, I still couldn't get it to restore because the system reserved partition had already been rewritten at that point, and the factory image destroyed, as well as all of my restore points.
I was smart enough to save the key beforehand, so maybe one day I'll call up MS support about it, but seeing as it's OEM, I doubt they would do much. In the meantime, the test box is currently running Linux.
Your slightly annoyed Wolf
~Era
Upgrading anything is awful, especially Windows. It's fairly easy to just do a clean install.
I could clean install Windows 10 and get it activated without even using a key, already had my license attached to my Microsoft account.
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Upgrading anything is awful, especially Windows. It's fairly easy to just do a clean install.
I could clean install Windows 10 and get it activated without even using a key, already had my license attached to my Microsoft account.
I found the upgrade to 10 was actually less troublesome than previous versions
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Ultimate Windows Tweaker 4 (http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultimate-windows-tweaker-4-windows-10)
Helps a lot.
Use on your own responsibility.
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Bad for PC use because cortana gets mad when you ignore her and erases all your bookmarks.
Good for phones if you want to hide stuff but not when you really want to keep your game pages and passwords.
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Bad for PC use because cortana gets mad when you ignore her and erases all your bookmarks.
Uh what? Doubt she'd do that just like that lol (Also protip, use something else than Internet Explorer / Edge)
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Was using, new chrome and the thing decided to delete the pages I had on edge, not explore.
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Was using, new chrome and the thing decided to delete the pages I had on edge, not explore.
You probably clicked something wrong (or discovered a bug) because I'm sure it all wouldn't intentionally just delete itself like so..
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To each his own. I hate the thing.
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Just Disable Cortana then?
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I just went back to the old windows and then downloaded the new chrome.. On a phone cortana can't be beat but on a PC its not worth it.
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I'm fairly certain Cortana doesn't even have access to the bookmarks on Chrome... Let alone being able to remove them.
Again, sounds more like you encountered some sorta bug or clicked a wrong button than that Cortana is to blame. And as Nic said, Cortana can be disabled in just a few clicks.
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My language doesn't support Cortana \o/
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Was sorting hoping edge would be good.
IT'd be the unsung hero of internet explorers, proof that Microsoft can actually do good with browsers
Sort of disappointed, wanted an underdog story xD
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Bad for PC use because cortana gets mad when you ignore her and erases all your bookmarks.
Good for phones if you want to hide stuff but not when you really want to keep your game pages and passwords.
Really? Wow, Microsoft went of the deep end. I tried to find more information on that and couldn't find any but if that's true, imagine what else she'll do if you don't use her; she could delete your games and other programs, or even worse things! I mean, good god Microsoft!
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I'm unsure about Windows 10, really. On the one side it is far more intuitive and better designed than Windows 8 (though not quite the same as 7, imo) but on the other side I'm concerned about privacy and restrictions that is has. One example out of many would be the 'free' update you get if you already own 7 or 8. Nothing is free. Oh and the inability to turn off Windows Update/disable certain updates that the previous versions of Windows had. Plays havoc with hybrid graphics that need 3rd party drivers. Directx 12 is awesome, though. Less power/heat for more performance X3
All in all, I think I'll try and use Linux where I can.
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I've had windows 10 for a while. I did it with Microsoft Insider and it has come a long way from the first time it was released to insiders.
I really like the new Microsoft Edge. Believe it or not to me it feels like Google Chrome but with Microsoft badging on it. I read online somewhere that Edge is the same system that Chrome uses which boils down to Chromium. Chromium is the mother of chrome and I would say now Edge.
The functionality of Windows 7 and Windows 8 built into 10 is a plus. It has been pretty stable for me even though every now and then I have a mess up with the Store.
I was kind of upset to see that Windows IE is still built into it but hiding in the corners same as Media Player since now its Groove. However I feel that its a plus too since most things out there still use Media Player. I can't wait till Windows 10 is updating and the bugs are removed since it still has some bugs to it.
I also never had a problem with Drivers considering my Machine is a bit on the old side.
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I also never had a problem with Drivers considering my Machine is a bit on the old side.
Just wanna point out; I would say drivers has almost not been an issue since Windows 7. With Windows 8 they made almost all modern devices be recognized and usable without installing almost any drivers. Sure some peripherals and stuff still come supplied with drivers but they'll still function 100% without installing those drivers which was a huge step forward with Windows 8, meaning that almost the only driver most people would need to install was the graphics card driver and potentially a sound card driver (depending on if you've got a separate sound card).
And of course, Windows 10 has improved this even further. The few compatibility issues that existed have most likely been fixed since a while back now (some, like an Nvidia driver, was even fixed in less than 24 hours of 10 was released to everyone).
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I also never had a problem with Drivers considering my Machine is a bit on the old side.
The new Windows 10 update system does mess around with my laptop, surprisingly. On Windows 8/8.1 and before you could select what updates/drivers you wanted to install using Windows Update, but since Windows 10 it's either 'you get all updates or no updates, as the end user is too dumb to decide on a per-update basis'. No joke, Microsoft basically said users were too dumb to decide for themselves. As a result, in my case, it messes up the hybrid graphics I require, by overwriting the special software/drivers it needs with the generic rubbish Microsoft publishes just because theirs is slightly newer. Even Windows 8 was better, and that's saying something as that was an awful OS. I think they should just bring back 7's update system, as it still found drivers for everything just fine without messing with anything else.
Also, privacy sucks.
Plus they've (since 8/8.1) started treating all platforms the same by releasing the same OS, which is just stupid, as a mobile phone or tablet, for example, differ inherently to other systems such as laptops or desktops. It's just them trying to save money and then fooling us into thinking it's a radical and brilliant change.
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I have to admit I was reluctant to move to Win8 and still find the metro and pop out side bar annoying. But am otherwise pretty happy. The main thing I missed from 7 was Microsoft Picture Manager. It has some really useful functions and there is no equivalent in Win8. I'm kinda hoping that they've got something new and shiny in 10 which doesn't lose the functionality from 7.
Does anyone know about this issue?
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I also never had a problem with Drivers considering my Machine is a bit on the old side.
The new Windows 10 update system does mess around with my laptop, surprisingly. On Windows 8/8.1 and before you could select what updates/drivers you wanted to install using Windows Update, but since Windows 10 it's either 'you get all updates or no updates, as the end user is too dumb to decide on a per-update basis'. No joke, Microsoft basically said users were too dumb to decide for themselves. As a result, in my case, it messes up the hybrid graphics I require, by overwriting the special software/drivers it needs with the generic rubbish Microsoft publishes just because theirs is slightly newer. Even Windows 8 was better, and that's saying something as that was an awful OS. I think they should just bring back 7's update system, as it still found drivers for everything just fine without messing with anything else.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930)
I think that should fix your issue.
Also, privacy sucks.
Plus they've (since 8/8.1) started treating all platforms the same by releasing the same OS, which is just stupid, as a mobile phone or tablet, for example, differ inherently to other systems such as laptops or desktops. It's just them trying to save money and then fooling us into thinking it's a radical and brilliant change.
Honestly, say what you want about the privacy issue but it's really nothing different from what they've been doing since at least Vista or 7 (if not earlier).
If it really bothers you, stop using Windows and switch to a Linux distro that you've read through the whole source code and compiled by yourself (don't use Ubuntu, that one's kinda iffy these days). Also to be completely safe - don't use anything Google (including Youtube) and, in fact, unplug your internet connection because even your ISP most likely is spying on you to some degree.
There's also this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x2VTN4jjIE) video which gives some basic tips to fix the known privacy issues, though take it with a grain of salt because they suggest uninstalling certain core features and seem a bit sided (completely neglecting that Google is spying just as much).
I have to admit I was reluctant to move to Win8 and still find the metro and pop out side bar annoying. But am otherwise pretty happy. The main thing I missed from 7 was Microsoft Picture Manager. It has some really useful functions and there is no equivalent in Win8. I'm kinda hoping that they've got something new and shiny in 10 which doesn't lose the functionality from 7.
Does anyone know about this issue?
Well, you have the choice between Windows Photo Viewer which is the traditional image viewer that's been around for quite a while. There's also the "Photos" app which is MUCH improved from the Windows 8/8.1 version.
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That isn't really a fix so much as a plaster for the issue, though
Post Merge: September 22, 2015, 08:38:36 PM
That isn't really a fix so much as a plaster for the issue, though
Oh and I knew about the fix anyway, I just used another method to bypass it. And I also know that everyone breaches privacy stuff, I just expected better from a Windows OS. And I do use Linux, avidly.
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That isn't really a fix so much as a plaster for the issue, though
Well, regular Windows updates are good and I don't really see why anyone would wanna not install them (like, they fix issues and bugs and stuff! Some can be quite important because they would render certain malware useless even) so say what you want update patches and security updates but there's no reason for almost anyone not to install them.
Driver updates however can be bit more of a mixed bag. The tool linked is one that will allow you to mark certain such updates as problematic and prevent them from installing.
If you for some reason don't want them and have got the Pro-edition of Windows 10 you can also go into uh, Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update > Advanced options > Check "Defer upgrades". Also in the same menu you would probably want to change the top dropdown menu from "Automatic (recommended)" to "Notify to schedule start".
Note that deferring upgrades will make certain upgrades that you might want not be available to you until' a while later and also that just changing the updates to not be automatic without deferring them will prevent them from being downloaded but will still require you install them (however with the aforementioned tool you can effectively 'hide' the ones you do not want without even installing them in the first place.
Though do be aware that if you get any viruses or crashes, you have just yourself to blame if you've hidden the update that's supposed to fix that!
I just expected better from a Windows OS. And I do use Linux, avidly.
Honestly, why? Microsoft has been doing this for several years and were actually found to be one of the biggest offenders when the whole NSA/Snowden thing first was revealed.
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But that's not related to what I said at all. Of course I know that certain updates are needed, I just want to be the one to pick what ones are installed and which, chiefly drivers for certain stuff, are omitted. Plus the automatic update to 'notify to schedule restart' setting literally just changes when they're installed, not what is installed. Also, that tool you suggested (which I have tried in the past) only temporarily hides them. It's just a poor effort on their side for the update system and treating the end user like an idiot.
Another thing, I'm not uneducated with the computing world, as I'm sure you're aware. I've been through all those solutions and more previously.
I just expected better from a Windows OS. And I do use Linux, avidly.
Honestly, why? Microsoft has been doing this for several years and were actually found to be one of the biggest offenders when the whole NSA/Snowden thing first was revealed.
I guess I should have known better, yes, that MS is just like a lot of big companies and abuses the end user's privacy. I suppose I was a bit naive there.
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Thanks Timmy. Will have to check it out. The Photos app for 8 was so annoying. No rotation by degree or colour adjust without those stupid dials! UGH!!