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Creative Arts and Media => TV and Video => Video and Traditional Games => Topic started by: Asia Kali Yusufzai on June 02, 2009, 12:43:41 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSfsMJgypdw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSfsMJgypdw)
Really? I mean... REALLY? surely Valve wouldnt release a new game just because it has new characters, melee weapons and a new enemy. I mean, the average TF2 update could do that!
There has to be more to this than meets the eye. Perhaps it's open world like was originally planned for L4D... Valve only release games when they can match the leap that the previous game made. L4D made a massive jump in online gameplay. L4D2 has to do the same, just like Half Life 2 did with story, and just like Portal 2 is doing with innovation and just like Counterstrike did with online play, all those years ago.
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if what you're saying is true, than they could have updated the original half-life to have improved graphics, increased plotline length, and elminate hl2 and the episodes. but instead, they kept the other previous games the same, but updated the engine for them. odds are L4D2 is going to be somewhat different from the original one...
but this is just my opinion, I really don't want to get in a page-long arguement...
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it feels like an expansion, cause sequels totally redo everything (usually) awesomely
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it feels like an expansion, cause sequels totally redo everything (usually) awesomely
but they stopped making expansions after Half Life. The whole reason Steam was made was so that the users on CS: Source didnt completely disappear every time they released a patch, and would only build up again once that patch was downloaded. An expansion would just do that except even worse because a patch is free. An expansion is not and not everyone would buy it.
if what you're saying is true, than they could have updated the original half-life to have improved graphics, increased plotline length, and elminate hl2 and the episodes. but instead, they kept the other previous games the same, but updated the engine for them. odds are L4D2 is going to be somewhat different from the original one...
Apparently it has 25 new missions, so that's like 5 new campaigns. 4 new characters, new weapons, new enemy, and significant AI director upgrades.
So the only thing truly different is the AI director. There has to be a massive difference in the director if that's all they have. But with only one year of work before it's apparently released in November, i wouldnt think they could have done enough. But then this was just a teaser.
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So shouldn't the next left 4 dead game be called Left 2 Die or something like that. Or right 2 live
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So shouldn't the next left 4 dead game be called Left 2 Die or something like that. Or right 2 live
Left 2 Die wouldnt work so well, and Right 2 Live just sounds like an anti-abortion slogan.
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it should be called
Left 4 Dead Second coming
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it should be called
Left 4 Dead Second coming
But who's coming? the zombies are already here :P
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The mummies
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it should be called
Left 4 Dead Second coming
But who's coming? the zombies are already here :P
Maybe, they let you be CYBORG NINJA PIRATE JESUS
WHICH EXPLAINS THE SECOND COMING!
Post Merge: June 02, 2009, 05:39:02 AM
or Maybe Left 4 Dead 2: your *** now
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The mummies
so the logical next step would be vampires, and then ghosts?
CYBORG NINJA PIRATE JESUS
They could be the new 4 characters.
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Then next thing you know you have a crappy mix called Underworld: Exorcism of Zombies, and a few ghosts
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Then next thing you know you have a crappy mix called Underworld: Exorcism of Zombies, and a few ghosts
or it's Left 4 Dead: When Warhammer 40,000 destroys everything
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Then next thing you know you have a crappy mix called Underworld: Exorcism of Zombies, and a few ghosts
or it's Left 4 Dead: When Warhammer 40,000 destroys everything
Where a group of zombies, vampires, mummies and Nazi ghosts attempt to escape from the Empire... I tell you what, that could be made into a good game.
update: All you could ever want to know about L4D2
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=883810 (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=883810)
Post Merge: June 02, 2009, 02:56:12 AM
Ok, so i can see why they made a new standalone game, since there's quite a difference between the two, but I do think that it could have been a lot of updates in one box. I would give them another year or two because I would expect this level of advancement from somebody like Infinity Ward, but not from Valve.
When I saw L4D for the first time, i thought it was the most amazing thing I had ever seen in a long time. I dont feel that with L4D2 and I hate the fact that they keep going on about it being "bigger and better".
Leave that kind of language at the door with Halo and COD.
There's a reason Valve is so special and it's because they can take the time and the risks that other companies cant. I have a feeling that this is going to be another HL2 Ep1.
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it's a sequel, don't expect it to change too much to the original formula.. it's not like Halo 2 completely changed halo 1.. I'm personally guessing more weapons, more maps and maybe some more modes too... though ofcourse i'm completely open to the idea of the game having a whole bunch of unshowcased innovations and i do think it has at least a few things we haven't been showed yet.
though yes, i agree that they could've waited a bit longer with the creation of a entirely new left 4 dead game and maybe release some expansions for the first one first.
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it's a sequel, don't expect it to change too much to the original formula.. it's not like Halo 2 completely changed halo 1.. I'm personally guessing more weapons, more maps and maybe some more modes too... though ofcourse i'm completely open to the idea of the game having a whole bunch of unshowcased innovations and i do think it has at least a few things we haven't been showed yet.
The thing is, Valve aren't like other developers. When they make a full sequel, they normally make it hugely more advanced than the previous, and they normally dont release something unless they think that it is as big of a jump that the previous game made. The reason they can do this is because they are an independant developer who has no pressure from non-gaming forces like Bungie got from Microsoft. This is also the reason they take so long to make even the smallest of games. New weapons, maps and modes are not enough since Team Fortress 2 got that for free. Even with the Director upgrades, it's not enough for a full Valve sequel. I would expect this from a company like Bungie, but Valve have always been different ever since their first ever game. They take risks and do everything they can to get the best game and the best value to their customers.
I really hope that they are sticking to their principles of customer service and great game design, or else I will be sorely disappointed. If it does end up as a worst case scenario, Valve will learn from it, just like they did with HL2 Ep 1.
though yes, i agree that they could've waited a bit longer with the creation of a entirely new left 4 dead game and maybe release some expansions for the first one first
They dont make expansions, especially not for an online game like L4D. They make updates, like they did with TF2. It's generally the same amount of content, but it comes out gradually and is free. It's what Steam was originally made for. delivering updates without forcing people to search it out and download before they can play again.
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As far as I understand it, the new content for L4D2 is generally (rather than JUST introducing new special infected etc.) centred around making every little thing a little bit better, as well as updating the AI Director so that it works.
Still, 30,000 people signed a petition against releasing it as a sequel, so maybe i'm missing something here.
(Also, there's talk of Valve offering cross-over play between L4D and L4D2, and that's something I want a piece of :3 )
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centred around making every little thing a little bit better, as well as updating the AI Director so that it works.
Still, 30,000 people signed a petition against releasing it as a sequel, so maybe i'm missing something here.
fixing lots of little bits is pretty much what an expansion pack is supposed to do. Sequals are meant for big new changes.
Also, Valve explicitly promised that all this content would come in free updates for L4D, in the same way they've done with TF2, but faster.
That said, the cross-play is vital, and despite being massively overdue, they have provided two fifths of a new campaign.