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Furry Chat => Rants and Advice => Topic started by: Xleena on June 01, 2009, 03:21:50 PM
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I was thinking today how difficult it is for the furry community.
Not only do furries get it bad in the media, but also about 90% of the internet, who don't bother in getting to understand the interest, but condemn it, and call us perverts.
Not only do we have to keep our interests secret from society, but our own family, friends and partners, because we don't want them to reject us, or think we're really weird.
Being a furry is just the same, for example playing on an online game, or being an artist or a novelist, because it gives us an ability to escape reality and be ourselves- what we can't in normal society. So I just wonder why they are accepted and furs are not.
Sorry, i know this is a bit like a rant, but id like to discuss your opinions on it, do you agree or disagree? Or do you have a lot of people who accept your 'fur side' (If you do you're lucky :) ?
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To be honest the only people I hide it from is my relatives, and I'm completely open about it everywhere else. My friends accept me, and most people don't care.
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Really? Thats pretty cool, why don't you tell your relatives? (if you don't mind me asking)
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Just fear of what they might think because of the major controversy that's been around.
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Hmm, I know what you mean, I think out of everyone, they'd be the hardest to tell.
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I've only just accepted myself as a furry recently, so nobody knows anything about me. I mean my friend kinda notices how many furries I tend to draw (I made the excuse that I wanted to see if I could do it, since they're harder to draw than humans). I think he takes the majority view of furries being freaks, but then he would say anything if everyone else was saying it too. Frankly I don't know if I'm ever going to tell my family, but I will tell the friends who don't live near me and have never been to my house or met my family. I'll definitely tell my girlfriend, eventually. She's a freak so she'll probably understand.
As for why it's so hard for people to admit such a thing, I think it's because it's really very different. There's a leap between being an animal lover and actually being an animal. I mean people still think that anime is all extreme sex and violence or just for kids, and they think the same about games, and yet these things are so huge. They're far bigger than the furry fandom. I guess mostly it's the fear of the new. Furries only really became big recently.
That said, there's no guarantee that it'll all die down soon, since people still have the "Comic Book Geek" image embedded in their brains, despite comic books being around for so long, and spreading so far.
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I realized about 2 years ago, but I never got into a situation where it might be exposed, but I realized this year that I had about 2-4 people who really don't care if I'm a furry or not...
I found this out by actually asking them, not waiting for them to find out themselves...
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Well i'm not a fur myself anymore. But i indeed think that most of the world is heavily closeminded.
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you shouldn't hide it from any one lest they see only the negative steriotype. when i told my mother she just shruged thinking that bieng a furry ment simply that you like animals, naive yes but at least im not keeping a possibly dangerouse secret. just sit down with them,explain the fandom and remind them that your still you no matter what.
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It's really hard to let someone know you're a furry, it was hard for alot of people, including me. for the first 3 year that I was a fur(I'm a 6 year veteran) I kept it to myself until I told my best friend, then I told my parents and they accepted me for who I am. And in january a troll pretended to be a fur to get info out of me.
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We don't really *have to* keep it a secret. Yeah, it's kind of sad that some people make it a bigger deal than it is, but it's not that different from any other kind of interest or hobby.
It'll never be possible to make everyone happy. That's just the way things are.
Personally, I usually keep my furry interest to myself and I'm fine keeping it to myself. It's my own thing that I like to do; it doesn't really have anything to do with anyone else. I still act the way I always act, they still know me for who I am.
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Of course it's a bad thing to hide your true self as a furry, however when presented in a controlled environment where you aren't allowed to be individual because cultures limit the way the people who are naturally different because the majority people have a way of alienating those minorities. The only way in my opinion is if you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself. If you want support for your cause you have to work for it by supporting the fandom in anyway possible to make society recognize its importance, I am definitely not gonna let people walk all over me for being different. Everyone else who is a furry should do the same.
Power to the furry people :sparkle:
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At my school and in my town there are maybe five furries and all of us know each other. Our town doesn't know what a furry is but we also live in a bible thumping town that loves csi. I haven't told anyone outside of my closest friends and would love to tell everyone about us but then again there is the troll population to think about. In the end I agree with WZ though that we don't have to hide who we are and that it's just another subculture like vamps and ravers.
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I watched CSI (All three sets) and NCIS, and I hope to never see that episode... Yes I know that they pretty much made fun of us, but I enjoyed the show for the most part.
As for us hiding ourselves is because we can't reveal ourselves without some sort of ridicule for the most part. I can't really reveal myself to anyone around me due to what I do for a living, but I enjoy both "parts" of myself.
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I'm not afraid to hide it it's just that no one's ever asked about it :3
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Why hide it? I'm proud of it and all my best friends know.
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lol, most people at school know im a furry, even the teachers and random people i don't even know, they don't really care to much there like "mehh, so what??". also i tried kind of not telling my parent's/relatives, they pretend they don't know but im pretty sure they do. and they also don't really seem to mind either.
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I watched CSI (All three sets) and NCIS, and I hope to never see that episode... Yes I know that they pretty much made fun of us, but I enjoyed the show for the most part.
As for us hiding ourselves is because we can't reveal ourselves without some sort of ridicule for the most part. I can't really reveal myself to anyone around me due to what I do for a living, but I enjoy both "parts" of myself.
well, CSI is a good show, i think it's very much possible to enjoy it. the furry episode was done because of the general media picture of furries who's extreme cases come across as weird to mainstream people, you have to admit it.. heck, even i would give a weird look if i saw someone walking around in a mascot-like costume in a normal everyday walk across the city..
i don't think it's necesarily something that's really looked down upon as much as it is misunderstood because of that same general picture the media has of all furries being really extreme about it.
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Wel me i hid my fur side for 8 years from my family and friends because i thought they were going to be like "Oh you a pervert on a whole new level stay away" but it was quite the other way around surprisingly... so everyone i hang around knows i'm a fur and they ask me questions here and there, but nothing to personal, but all in all i wish that everyone was a bit more like my friends i live with and my family and everyone here on the forums, then the world would actually be a bit of a better place to live in ^w^
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Yea alot of people at my school know because one day I just pretty much told everybody that I walked by that I was a furry. They didn't care in the least bit, which I thought was a bit weird because I live in the country, where everybody will condemn anybody for any reason. I still haven't told my parents yet, although I think they know because of the freakin browser history I never got around to deleting. Anyways now I never delete it.
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It's a shame really. If everyone who is a furry came out and said it, people would be forced to realize that many great people in the world are members of the fandom, and it would go quite a ways towards dispelling many of the unsettling rumors that have arisen about us. But people don't do that because, for the time being, those unsettling rumors are still lent credence.
It's a vicious cycle. :no:
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well maybe it's time we brake the cycle. i think everyone who reads this should go outside and tell some random person that there a furry,and make sure they hear you.
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I've decided i'm gonna tell my boyfriend i'm one. Wish me luck! :/
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i dont think you need it but good luck :D
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Haha, i suppose but i've been with him two years :/
thanks anyway!
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I'm actually afraid to tell my friends for fear that they'll reject me and I can't tell my parents because I once mentioned to my parents that I thought it would be cool to have a tail and wolf ears and he told me that if I were to ever have such a procedure done, that he and my mom would disown me. I don't know what to do. My friends find it weird that I'm so obsessed with wolves, but they really don't question me. It's made me quiet about what I feel and see, so yes, I do believe that it's unfair that society forces furries to be silent about who they truly are. It makes me sad... :'(
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well maybe it's time we brake the cycle. i think everyone who reads this should go outside and tell some random person that there a furry,and make sure they hear you.
YEAH!
*runs out front door, finds stranger, gets nervous, runs back inside*
NO!
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Honestly, I was a "furry" and didn't know it. I didn't know it until my mate called me out on it way before we started dating. He made it seem negative, but the funny thing was he was a closet fur. Haha. Well, anyway, I've never really hidden it, but I don't exactly go around claiming the "proud furry title." I claim being a scaled individual when it's pointed out or something.. But my mom and dad are fine with it mostly because they've not been exposed to the negative stereotype. My friends and I make fun of the people who are all OMG FURRY DON'T LET IT TOUCH ME and the people who run around in mascot suits.
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well maybe it's time we brake the cycle. i think everyone who reads this should go outside and tell some random person that there a furry,and make sure they hear you.
did it the guy at the supermarket was alll like "huh you talkin to me??" and then looked at me strangely :bubbles:
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I waved down a random guy in town today and told him. The look on his face was comical. A mix of "Do I know you?" and "What the *** is a furry?"
Oops... pardon my French... :snicker:
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Yeah i think its rly bad but hey why should we care what they think i wear my cat ears and tail out wherever i go and if anyone calls me a *** or anything i just reply with ...and proud we dont have to be secret we should walk around in all our furry glory and when we see another proud furry glomp them and tell them good job and besides we dont even know how many of us there are secretly as most of us are too scared of the 12 year old trolls who will persecute them for who they are so say it loud and proud put your paws in the air and shout IM A FURRY ...GET OVER IT
woot inspirational speech FTW
=3 if u see any furries in the street make shure u glomp them for me
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I don't hide what I am anymore. I have found a few furries at school that I hang out with. Beside,s I'm in the process of getting a few of my closest friends to join the forums with me because we're all the same to each other.
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I hate it....I feel like i'm lying to everyone
I don't tell my parents because they might think that i'm homosexual (everytime i try to tell them something personal it starts off with "Are you telling us your gay?" T.T)
I don't tell my friends because I really don't need them to stop talking to me. After High School I wouldn't care much, but in High School where you either join a group or die, I need to keep it a secret....
So, ya. I do think it's terrible.
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When I was in school, I was in the "group for people who dont have a group" group. Plus if they dont talk to you just cus you're a furry, not only are they a bad friend, but really really childish.
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Two people know that I'm a furry; one of them is a fellow furry.
The first one was okay with it, but I think she feels a bit uncomfortable talking about it.
The second one just said "I don't understand why people hide things like that. It's not a big deal."
The latter one was a furry so...YEAH. No one else knows.
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I just finished listening to an old Rock Paper Shotgun podcast involving a journalist who made her name reviewing Japanese Hentai Dating Simulators. Now she vehemently defended them, and rightly so, some of them have the best stories I've heard in a long time, especially in the video game world. So she was saying that all the fetishes and the bizarreness that westerners attribute to these games is justifiable, and in the good ones, they're handled very maturely and very intelligently. It's a major genre in Japan for a reason. She seemed very agreeable and very open-minded.
However, she eventually rambled her way into talking about furries and basically boiled it down to people dressing as mascots and rubbing against eachother and that if she ever met one she would beat them up. Obviously I dont have to explain how narrow and absurd that mentality is, but this is someone that many would consider to be open minded.
Maybe this shows how seperate from normality this whole culture is, or perhaps it shows how open minded we are. Personally I think it's both.
I mean I consider myself to be as open minded as you can possibly be. I would defend a person with poedophilic desires if he or she didn't act on it and wouldn't do anything that could possibly hurt someone. I don't understand it but I recognize the fact that they still have the right to a normal life since they're not doing anything harmful to anyone.
That said, the bizarreness of our own culture in comparison to what many people would recognise as normal (though I see normal people as people who dont realize how messed up they are,) is really quite substantial and I see no reason why other people wouldnt find it weird and wrong, simply because it's different. I'm not saying we're just like poedophiles since there's really no chance at all that we would hurt someone. I just think we're part of a strange culture that people dont understand, and it's never going to be understood simply because it's too detached from any sort of normality that has ever been constructed.
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I for one find most furry haters to be huge jerks. That's why I am only a furry on furry forums. And personally, in my opinion, furries aren't bad people. I mean sure, there are Super Furries that are so proud of furries and being one that they pretty much think anyone who's not a furry is scum. People like TwitchyTheFoxBat on Youtube. Granted he has some pretty good videos, but seriously, "Humafag?" Is that what you resort to? Get real! Plus, the guy blocked me just for telling him to ignore those guys.
Other than him, most furries I know are pretty nice people.
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Why is it kept secret?:
*Little to no knowledge of/hatred of Furries
*Fear of difference
*A conflict with the other person's interests, beliefs, etc.
*People who think everything is a joke or who exploit it for their amusement
*Culture, Parental Expectations, and possibly Religion; And the fear of failing to meet them by letting it out
The response of "Furry? *Watches whatever random video he/she finds on YouTube* OMG, you sick..." probably doesn't help either.
These are the conclusions I've come up with.
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I'm able to tell anyone that I am a furry. Why? The simple answer is this. If they hate furries, too bad, they can go **** themselves. I find nothing wrong in being different because everyone is (don't kindergarten teachers tell you this?). If there is a conflict with someone between moral/religious beliefs, so what? Fight but do not make a fool of yourself. If they take it as a joke, take them as a joke. Parental expectation, region, and culture should have very little effect. I don't care what my parents think of me. I stopped caring a LONG time ago. Religion is a bond between you and God, no one else. You choose to believe if you want to, not because someone says you should or shouldn't. Culture? What is that? Isn't it human behavior? Behave how you want because things change, this includes cultures. Whats the difference between regular XXX and furry XXX? Tell me because I have no idea. XXX is XXX. so?
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YAY, one of my better friends is also a fur, but hes only told me. cause most people at school know im a fur (even if they don't completely know what that means). another reason aussie is cool, most people are really laid back and so far at school i haven't seen any real fur-haters, just some jokes and some weak insults but thats a normal way of greeting someone here "hi Bob".."go *&$^ yourself Jim [:". anyway he keeps it a secret cause he thinks that his friends will think less of him, i'd tell people (or randomly shout it in class or around the school :bubbles:) that he was a fur, but then again hes a friend and i respect what he wants to do.
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get him to make an account!
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nobody wants to lose friends and alienate people
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yer, i keep bein a fur secret from my friends. This is because i once isolated myself from everyone and had no friends to help me out of it, so im worried if i tell them thy will reject me and i'll be in the same spot as i was.
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well if they're proper friends, they wont isolate you, they'll just think you're really weird, which is fine.
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Yea my friends don't isolate me but they do question why I like furries. They called me cancer once when I told them I spammed 4chan with furs. I lol'd.
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If I ever tell people I'm a furry, I try to explain to them that being a furry really isn't that bad of a thing.
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If I ever tell people I'm a furry, I try to explain to them that being a furry really isn't that bad of a thing.
I'm pretty sure most people would try to explain, but those that dont just force people to find out via other means, which often leads to misconceptions.
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I pretty much cut the Mularky and say flat our "A furry is someone with an Anthropomorphic animal as their personal character."
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Ben, even I would have no idea what that means. You would have to elaborate.
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I just say "A furry is a person who likes to RP as a half-animal, like werewolves." Then there all like "Oooohhh... (Goes back to what they were doing)" I'm gonna go buy myself a collar soon. ^_^
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Dang it Shado, now you're getting me thinking about one too >.>, but its more of a hand or ankle bracelet/collar
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If someone says what THEY are (goth, geek, fab, etc XP) I just say, "Oh cool, I'm furry."
They nod...
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I got myself a pair of dog tags...and another set for an actual dog XD "Do not return if found." But I never wear them...visibly at least.
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Today, I told my girlfriend that i like furries, particularly that i'm attracted to furries (first time i've ever said that to anyone), but she doesnt have any idea about how deep down the rabbit hole I am. She hasnt a clue about any of this culture, about fursonas and things like that. I wonder when I will tell her. Eventually I'm sure I will.
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yeah no one except you guys knows im a furry. Most people i know do know im a huge wolf fan but they don't know the the extent of that liking which really gets on my nerves. I dont know if i will ever tell about being a furry, because personally I don't want people to look at me different or as crazy. If I do tell anyone It will prolly be my best friends,parents,or girlfriend when I get one.
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Well, you never know, you might meet a girl on here and a lot of furries have partners who are too!
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yep, shes right, but anyway i just told everyone, they where like "cool, where dya wanna go tonight then?" it really wasnt a bother, i mean people kniw i REALLY liked cats before, so no biggy....
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Awesome! :3 I actually told my boyfriend and he was like 'do you go on yiff?' 'no.' 'yeah thats cool then'
I mean, yeah thats cool, but at the same type he stereotyped being a fur as being a pervert right away!
I don't think ill tell any of my friends or family, because some of my friends are convinced that furs are creepy perverts :P They're not bad people, I guess its just sites like encyclopedia dramatica that influence them.
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I dont think that many people actually believe encyclopedia dramatica. It's more stuff like the mainstream media, csi, youtube and something awful. Youtube isnt so bad though since you get both sides of the coin on there. Also, people like to talk about freaky things, so when they hear about something they think is freaky, they'll tell it to everyone they know. If it's told to them in a more reasonable way, then they dont feel the excitement of something juicy
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My friends figured out I was a furry on their own recently. They don't really seem to care or look at me any different. I'm still invited to house paries, poker night, and everything. It's also funny because they constantly go on 4chan.
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personally i wish the world was free of stereotypes, it messes up reputation and oppurtunities.
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I wish that too, but its in human nature to constantly judge a difference someone has, because if it makes that person 'better' than them, then they'll usually use it.
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Recently, I was talking to my friend and we got onto the subject of sonic the hedgehog and eventually onto furries, and he just would not accept the idea that he was stereotyping people when he said that furries are just a bunch of perverts. (He doesnt know i'm a furry but he'll find out soon enough. I'm good at dropping hints.) But then he is rather hard headed and anti-social as i think most of these more vocal attackers of furries are.
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well this night my sister was here so i decided to hint that I was a furry........bad idea. She stereotyped the usual stuff like us being perverts and ect. right away and hardly listened to me when i tried to persuade her that those were just stereotypes. This really disheartens me now from telling anyone else I know in real life. :'(
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well you shouldnt keep it a secret forever. Just be slow to build up a positive idea about it.
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Well today was a good day. Since i just felt like I continue keep it a secret anymore, when I was driving with my mom I felt like bringing up the topic of furrys and how they are stereotyped alot and that I was one of them. She was very understanding and accepted it. This takes a huge load of my chest :D. Next up will be my sister who was very sterotypical when I brought up the subject of furries last night. I have a pretty good idea of how to convince her or at least let her know it is not a bad thing to be a furry.
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yay :D good for you, to be honest i didnt keep it a secret i just said to my mates, "ima furry get over it!" they just said, "well that explains a LOT!"
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thank you. I bet your mates are pretty cool.
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one of my mates really likes the idea of a furry and is actually starting to question there own furryness :D
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I changed by bio on Xbox Live to my Fursona's bio and characteristics. I thought that it would be the first step to telling my friends that I'm a fur....
Turns out that most of them thought that it was pretty gay of me, and I've been forced to tell them that it is an inside joke....
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one of my mates really likes the idea of a furry and is actually starting to question there own furryness :D
You know, one of my mates wanted to get involved with the community too... coincydink?
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Jacen whats your xbox live name?
Please move off-topic conversation to PMs.
WingedZephyr
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I can pretty much tell my friends anything and they'll still be cool about it. I don't know about murder but you can get into any discussion with them with the exception of a few witty jokes in between. They definitely think I'm weird but they don't care. XD
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That's the thing about good friends. You can be as weird as you like, but as long as that weirdness is connected to who you really are, then they wont mind and will often expect it from you. If they dont expect it, they'll just add it to their view of you but it will hardly override the main image, since they already know who you are.
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yay for good understanding friends! :D
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I personally only go to forums where they either DON'T automatically hate someone for being a furry, or where they don't even know what a furry is. Personally, if I see ONE person get picked on just for being a furry, I take my stuff and leave that place for good.
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In response to the thread title, yes, I do think it's terrible. D:
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same, it's really horrible how people stereotype others.....
in relation to this thread... do you hate it how people stereotype others such as homosexuals, and any other people who are not *shudders, feeling sick* "normal"?
just a quick Q which is related to the topic...
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I know, even when a class of people aren't bad people, people always get stereotyped. Personally, furries are some of the nicest people I know on the internet, yet they are hated basically because of a stereotype. Other groups are the same way.
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yay, someone who shares my beliefs, as im sure almost all here do.... for that you get karma sandwhich!
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in relation to this thread... do you hate it how people stereotype others such as homosexuals, and any other people who are not *shudders, feeling sick* "normal"?
Well first, one would have to define the term normal and then apply it to everyday life. Exactly, what is normal? Is it someone who is boring? Conforming? Or is it just a stereotyped view of a majority? In my opinion, I am normal. My friends think I really insane or on crack (at times). To me, being normal is being who you are not what everyone else is. I can't say I don't stereotype people because I do. Though I do get upset when I am stereotyped for being who I am so I guess I'm a hypocrite but it's something of human nature to help us understand something so big and complicated. So we just assume everything is the same based off one example.
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yeah I really hate stereotypes as well, its one of the reasons why im not gonna put my wolf tatoo on my arm,because I don't want to walk into a job interview and be stereotyped.
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I see normal people as the people who dont realize their own freakishness. There's something weird and wonderful about everyone, it's just that most people cant or wont see it.
Everyone stereotypes to some degree, I mean hell even my girlfriend stereotypes me subconsciously and I'm pretty sure that I stereotype her, but all that matters is the degree to which you trust that initial opinion. Most people trust it implicitly because they trust their own mind. I am under no illusion that i could possibly know anyone well enough to assume that they are of a certain type so i dont trust these ideas that much, if at all.
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Well today I attempted to convince another family member( my sister) that most furrys are not perverts and that there is just a small percent of people who claim to be furry that are perverted and that we are just like normal everyday people that are just big fans of anthromorphic creatures. All I got to say is that it didn't work and that she is very dead set on the opinion all furrys are perverted, and she even found a biased article that says a majority of furrys are perverted. This really irritates me because these views are really hurtful and no matter how much I tried to convince her she just wouldn't listen.I also tried to explain how when I am living on my own I want to take a trip to philadalphia and visit anthrocon and maybe even buy a fur suit to wear and she was like,"oh your gonna be very disappointed cause all those conventions are for perverted people that wanna dress up in animal costumes and have sex with each other". Damn those perverted freaks that call themselves furrys.
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It's so sad how a small percentage of a group can soil an entire group of people. I became a furry, even after hearing all those arguments and stereotypes because I knew they were all wrong.
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I just hope that one of these days furrys are cleared of most of these stereotypes, but with the way society is I feel it will never end.
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It wont end, and it cant end, cus it's in human nature to fear the other. It's why there is racism, sexism, homophobia. This stuff isnt new, and i seriously doubt furry hatred is that young either. I mean as long as there are these images, there are those who identify with them, and those people who first identified with them probably had the same problem. The only difference nowadays is that furries are more famous, especially with the internet flooding humanity with opinions and images. And the thing with the internet is that it tends to highlights the true nature of humanity and the social trends within it. I'm not saying that humanity is full of psycho shouty people telling others to yiff in hell. They are out there but then there are plenty against us but are much more unsure, fearful in the same way that people are fearful of games, anime and Lazytown. This group is probably the majority since humans are more likely to act out of fear than they are of goodwill. And then ofcourse there's those who dont care, those in support, those like us, and those on the far end, the psychos who hate humans.
In the end it's all just human nature.
The majority will look down upon and mock the minority, out of fear and hatred for the unknown. Others will fan the flames for whatever reason. It's not new, it's not special, it's just the way things are and the way things will stay unless something amazing happens and a lot more people start liking furries as much as we do.
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So that's it? Furries are doomed to a world of shunning and refusal? That is just sad to know.
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I think we just have to stop taking it so hard. It's not likely that we're gonna get beaten up for this kinda thing (I mean seriously, who would beat up a great big fluffy puppy dog?) We'll get weird looks and people will think we're freaks and perverts but why should we care? We have our health and our happiness.
That said, I'm a freak even without the furryness so this sort of thing isn't a big jump for me. I've no idea how it is for other people.
Also furriness might damage job prospects...
and would destroy any relatives attempts at being a typical socialite.
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well i just figured that i was a furry and well i dont know wether to tell people or not, if i do people might think that im a freak and if i dont i cant really be who i am
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Be all you can be, cus all you can be is yourself.
Being something else just doesnt work.
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the funny thing is people wouldnt really see me and being a furry, but i finally found a place were i feel im welcomed and i feel at peace and i finally fit in
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"oh your gonna be very disappointed cause all those conventions are for perverted people that wanna dress up in animal costumes and have sex with each other". Damn those perverted freaks that call themselves furrys.
Tell your sister she made me lol.
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just curious, what do you mean by made me?
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the funny thing is people wouldnt really see me and being a furry, but i finally found a place were i feel im welcomed and i feel at peace and i finally fit in
People see what you present. If you present yourself then they will see you and your furry leanings. What they do with that information is up to them, but the fact remains that they see you as who you are. Just as long as you present that.
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yeah i guess but i don't know who to tell people that im a furry i mean i don't really know anyone that would be a furry and if i told my friends they would probably make fun of me and I don't want that
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i think i give it away BIG time, my school bag is covered in tip-exed white cat paws....
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yeah i guess but i don't know who to tell people that im a furry i mean i don't really know anyone that would be a furry and if i told my friends they would probably make fun of me and I don't want that
Well you dont need to shout it from the rooftops, just be yourself and if someone catches on or asks you about it, then tell them. Just be comfortable.
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ok thanks for the help guys :D
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yeah, i think most people know or at least have some kind of incline, you cant miss my bag with all the cat paws on it, and i almost always have kitty paws drawn all over my arm, i think i got about 15people at my cookout tonight say: "furry?, cool!" so i think ive got some true friends at my youth group!
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just curious, what do you mean by made me?
By that I mean her rediculous comment was histerically funny to me. It was more entertaining than offensive IMO. XD
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lol yeah
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It's one of those things, I think, that is surrounded by a wrong sense of shame or fear, because of all the negative stereotypes around it, regardless of how people will actually take it.
I think, for me, it's sort of like being gay. Everyone knows, and I generally tell people if I feel the need\desire to, but still sometimes I feel nervous when I tell people because I know some people aren't too open about the idea. I still haven't told my Dad that I'm gay (or furry for that matter), even though I'm pretty sure he already knows and is perfectly okay with it. It's just one of those things, I guess.
I have been around people with very negative perceptions of furries. And, at the same time, I've been around people who I probably know would be fine with it. I've yet to tell anyone, though.
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I can't quite say that I'm a furry, because I take the furry fandom in as like a hobby, and for fun. Even knowing that, it's still weird to tell anyone I'm like this. I'm not sure if it's just unexpected for everyone and I don't want to make a drastic change or what, but it's kind of irritating. People know me as a regular guy, and my closer friends and family know me as just a gaming metalhead. At times I convince myself it's completely fine to keep it to myself, but then I lay out the facts: There are absolutely no one like this where I live. Even if there was, it would be terribly difficult having to spot them out. Then I think "Okay, I can resolve the isolation with a con or something." Deus Problemo: One, I don't have a fursuit yet. I'm saving for the materials (hoping my craftsmanship doesn't stink... >_>) and everything, but it'll be a matter of time. Second, just getting there would cost money. And of course I'd have to explain to the parentals what the deal is. I guess that can be solved by moving out, but yeah... The last thing I really want to rant about is how "jealous" I am of others. I quote that because it's not an envy kind of jealous, but more of an idolistic kind of jealous. It looks like so much fun to have the friends in real life everyone has, dressing up for cons and just being generally silly. I really want that. I mean, sure, I can walk around in a fursuit and perform every day activities in public for kicks and giggles, but there's just that missing bit... I don't know how to resolve that. Except for devoting my life solely on this fandom, which I won't, I'm going into college for cinematography. Just a rant, I don't know how to really have anyone solve this. Sorry. :(
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Honestly I have the same problem. As far as I know there are no Furrys where I live, and I do have to keep it inside me, but that's not really a problem.
WE HAVE THE INTERNETZ PEOPLE!
I know that I first met my fellow furrys on Xbox Live. Do they live near me? No, but i can still stay connetcted and communicate with them as if they did live near me. The same for this website. Even if you are alone at home a site like this really makes you believe that you are not alone in the world and that there are other people with similar likes and interests.
I hope that this helps you rethink your view on things Scautty.
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I get what you mean Scautty. I wouldn't call myself a dedicated furry. You'd never know I was one, even at a con. I can't afford a fursuit (not that I really want one). I'm the kid you find in a mosh pit or pwning n00bs on CoD. You can still go to cons without a suit, not everyone's a fan of dressing up. I'd love to go to one but where I live, furries are unheard of. This forum is probably the closest I will ever get to one.
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yeah one day I hope to go to a convention. I was thinking that I might go to the big one in philly after I graduate college and become a physisist. And yes I know its weird that I will be a furry physisist.
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You do make a wonderful point, Jacen. I had almost forgotten to mention that, haha. It's quite correct I have the internet sanctuary in my room, but I don't know... I think it'd be alot of fun going to a con (Maybe after graduating like you, Moonraiser. Haha, a physisist and movie director at a con. :P ) I'm almost exactly like you, Spike. I'm just kinda known to go to concerts and gettin' in the pit for the next breakdown. My closer friends take that as just a hobby (which it basically is) and not my life. But yes, I shall cherish this forum haven until I guess something happens. :) Thanks Jacen, Spike, and Moonraiser. :P
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Sometimes I think that the only people who actually know what a furry is are furries themselves. Other people just don't care or just judge people because they're furries.
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Ithink the internet can only go so far in connecting people (or atleast the internet in the most common sense of the word.) Knwoing people in real life has a different dynamic and far more layers. Either way both are good. I would love to go to a con, but i would only wear a tail and ears, and only if they're top quality.
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Good words there. The interweb really only can display so much. That's why I like YouTube alot, for it's ability to give off expression through visual and audio, and not just text and emoticons. No matter how much I like them. :P :) :*
But yes, going to a con would be extra fun. I'd have to go in full fursuit though, otherwise I'd feel incomplete. :P
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yeah i would love to go to like a furry convention because it would be nice to finally be some where, were everyone accepts you and no one judges you. if Ive learned anything, Ive learned that furries are the nicest people in the world and other people dont see that because they see the bad side and the stereotypes
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Well, i dont really try to hide it, but i kinda wait for everyone to find it out thereselfs..
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That's completely true. What's a better accepting place then somewhere full of accepting people? Then again, there's the money of getting there, staying, eating, and getting the goodies there too. I guess I could not eat for 3 days... Haha, just kiddin'. :P
I guess having to wait for someone to figure it out is the hardest method. For two reasons, depending how you do it: If you WANT your friends to know, you go crazy not knowing how discreet you are about it. Sure, your friends know you draw them or make the costumes, but would it trigger? Second, if you just don't want people to find out, but if they do you'd rather not propose it yourself, you're stuck alone and isolated. It's kind of how I am now, no one knows how I really am, but I almost want to give off morsels of clues so they can figure it out. But I don't want it to seem like a big deal, like I'm hiding it from them for a reason, you know? :?
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just be yourself, and if they figure it out, then confirm it. just dont stress so much
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I always try to be myself as much as possible ^_^
Tho, mom gets angry at me when i lick my plate clean after dinner :'(
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Ive learned that furries are the nicest people in the world
I thought I was the only one who thought that.
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haha no i think so too, because when i first realized i was a furry and i joined here i was welcomed, and not one furry i have met is mean
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haha no i think so too, because when i first realized i was a furry and i joined here i was welcomed, and not one furry i have met is mean
You haven't met TwitchyTheFoxBat yet, then. Sure, he is very nice. ...to furries. But to furry Nazis, he's an atomic bomb just waiting to explode. I mean sure, I have met alot of furry nazis, and every single one of them was a jerk, but this guy takes things too far. He even created his own word to classify all the furry nazis.
He's a little better now than he was before, though.
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though i havent met any furries who arent nice, there's got to be some that are particularly mean... that said, the furry community has a surprising amount of nice people.
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Maybe that's just a trait of being a furry. Not necessarilly base personality, but basically all of the furries are pretty nice. I highly doubt there isn't a mean one, I'll give you that. Just another thing to notice though, it's harder to find the mean ones because they are shrouded by the nicer ones. So yeah, that's just the cool thing about furries. :P
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Well, i acctually want to tell my parents that im a furry, but im too shy... also i dont think they even know what a furry is... mom mabye does as she has lived in the usa most of her life... but i dont know about dad...
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I haven't told my parents anything; they just think I'm a bit strange. xD
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well I told my mom and she was accepting, but then I told my sister and she was not happy :'(
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Aww that sucks Moonraiser, she's not going to do anything bad for that reason is she :S?
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nah she wouldn't really do anything that bad but she doesn't like it.
Post Merge: July 25, 2009, 07:22:57 PM
and as in she was not happy I mean my sister wasn't happy
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You're lucky ^^;... usually when one person doesn't like something about me around here, the rest of the robots *ahem* i mean family members tag along in the same opinion. I just tend to keep quiet about everything x.x
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That doesnt happen with my family, but i dont tell anyone anything for loads of different reasons depending on the person. I dont even talk about my girlfriend to them. It's better left unsaid really.
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*Information has been deleted for privacy reasons*
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Proud of you moonraiser, you got over the worst part. I hope it works out somehow with your sister. :(
And I'm sorry White Wolf Guardian.... At least think of the glass half full, you have people like us who ARE trustworthy, although we are in your position, we still are here for people like you who need friends. :)
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I know that's why I come here lol
This is the only place I can have in privacy :)
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I know that's why I come here lol
This is the only place I can have in privacy :)
Hooray! At least you have some kind of sanctuary. :P
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sanctuaries are strange things... they can sometimes turn in on you, causing you to not deal with any problems because you have a place to confide and ignore. Keeping it in it's little box regardless of how it affects everything outside the box...
that said, a safety net is a wonderful thing.
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sanctuaries are strange things... they can sometimes turn in on you, causing you to not deal with any problems because you have a place to confide and ignore. Keeping it in it's little box regardless of how it affects everything outside the box...
that said, a safety net is a wonderful thing.
Quite true. Sanctuaries are really in context places that relieve the subject and not exactly it's troubles. But that's why this sanctuary is more of a place to freshen the spirit for the outside world rather than reside outside of it. It is the internet, you can't be here forever. :P
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Well I think a sanctuary is a good thing because then if someone doesn't have a way to let all their problems out because they live in a condition where they cannot possibly do that outside of it, they tend to cause huge problems like for example disgruntled employees and that kid from Virginia Tech who faced problems that they couldn't get help with so they finally let it all out in a manner of desperation. So, a sanctuary or not, this place is the only thing that helps me unload my problems because if I so much as talked to one person around here about my problems it would turn on my like a snake because every single one of my family and my offline "friends" have turned on me in the past. And if it were a problem in itself, I would have quit work, quit college, and quit being assertive and just given up to mourn over my problems here, so I don't think having a sanctuary is a problem myself.
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i'm not saying a sanctuary makes you lose your life and stay in the sanctuary, but that sometimes, rarely but sometimes, it gives you the comfort to live the life you're living without really needing to change it. You end up waiting for an opportunity to change your life rather than being forced to change things right now... that said, all situations are different
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I'm not secretive about being a furry. All my friends know I love anthros, as does my family.
Sure they may think you're different, but it's not about what you are; it's about who you are.
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Definately! My dad was opening the door just now and I was in a mad dash just to close the tab...My dad tends to be nosey sometimes.
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Haha, I almost did the same thing with my sister coming in, but I just left it open to make it seem like I wasn't hiding anything. I just told her it was a video game forum. (Luckily I was in that part of the forum. B) )
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i know, my mom will randomly walk in and see like the fourms open with like the fox icons and stuff she'll be like whats this, and usally i just say its just a game fourm or somthing i havent told her im a furry yet... :\
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Well I wouldn't let it eat at anyone too much, definitely if you don't plan on telling them or any other certain people. I plan on just making way for freedom when I get to college; When I'm living in the dorm away from home, I'll be more interactive in the society of furs, maybe even a con (If there ARE any near Kansas/Missouri...), and it would make it seem less personal with me and my family - it could always just be another video game meet. I remember always going to Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon meets, haha. The good old days. :3
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lol pokemon meets XD. but yea I use the family computer sometimes so my family's always walking by and looking at all the furry icons but they never say anything. I never tell them anything so they don't even bother. Don't ask don't tell, that's how I see things.
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that's how it is with me. My family know quite a bit about me, but if they immediately think it's weird or strange, they dont ask. No point getting into an arguement where you'll just end up agreeing to disagree.
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I dont keep it a secret, i sit out in public drawing furry art (clean type) and when people ask i explain. when they ask if thats like the wierd csi stuff, i say yes, but that is a minority of the fandom, and there is sex in all fandoms and all parts of life.
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I wouldn't like to keep it a secret but unfortunately, when someone gets told something, someone else gets told something, usually with a lie which lead to assumptions. This is when I get called a perv and so it ends up with getting into an arguement, a few insults, then a round of punches. This has happened with me before and so the only way to avoid it is to just keep it a secret. I can't explain it to people I barely know without looking bad or being ashamed.
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I wouldn't like to keep it a secret but unfortunately, when someone gets told something, someone else gets told something, usually with a lie which lead to assumptions. This is when I get called a perv and so it ends up with getting into an arguement, a few insults, then a round of punches. This has happened with me before and so the only way to avoid it is to just keep it a secret. I can't explain it to people I barely know without looking bad or being ashamed.
yo bro i know, dude all i get in like source because of my spray and my friends see is look at that freak or look at that perv dude it makes me mad but then again, you know be the bigger animal right?
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Yeah, dude. All you can really do is stand up to it. I WILL NOT burst into tears or take it like some chump. They want to fight, they'll get one. Because I won't take anything without a fight first.
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i know dude, everyone says stuff but i havent found one person who could actually back up what they had to say
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I don't usually result to fighting, but if it's their proposal... *BAM* Oh look, how I found a frying pan. :3
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Scautty's got the idea XD
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Violence is the last resort... it's an interesting resort with sandy beaches and sunny skies, but is still the last destination.
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Violence isn't even a last resort. It simply isn't an option for me.
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ive got to say violence already has been a liast resort with me.... though not over being a furry... it was over racism.... :( .... and its a resort i do not enjoy but has had to be used....
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Haha... Well of course I'm kidding when I say that. I've never even been in a fight, but I don't plan on letting myself get brat around when someone else starts it. But no one has ever decided to, so it's all good. :) I eventually plan to tell my friends, noting the ease I'm putting into it talking about making a fursuit and such. My family doesn't even really have to know. :P
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Don't worry, the furry revolution is coming! Hate will be abolished in favour of mellow happiness all year round! ^_^
Besides, the world is a constantly changing place. Who knows? Maybe furry fandom will move into general acceptance in the near future. Heres hoping!
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The revolution my fellow comrade! ^_^ oop.... wrong revolution.... sowwy! ;)
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Maybe we could join revolutions :3 And make furry communism! It'd work if we did it!
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FURRY COMMUNISM! ^_^ for the greater furryness!
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Don't get into a fight with the FURRY FASCISTS :S
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And the fur war begins. Millions of furs die on the battlefield, both armies led by complete and utter nutters
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We should have an intervention...and like...interveen eachother XD
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Please stay on topic.
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Not only do furries get it bad in the media, but also about 90% of the internet, who don't bother in getting to understand the interest, but condemn it, and call us perverts.
Probably because all they've seen are the yiff-crazed side of our community.
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All they've seen is what other people show them.
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Why, if they came here, they might not say stuff about us.
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Well Some people can't just accept the fact of Change since and due to the Furry fandom being around before i was even born, some people just need to accept others for who they are and not what they are we are who we are the more we or they hate it the Strong the hate and the thing or people will get Stronger over time, but we never know what would happen if a war between furs and fur haters broke out mass uprising, total chaos, murder so on and so forth, sometimes most people get along most of the people i hang out with are pretty open minded and accept others because of how strong they are in what they belive and most of the time i wish the rest of the world could be like that because heck it would be a better place or if they gave us our own country or whatever where it was just pure furs but then that would be a bad idea because if we were all clustered in the same place they would destroy us in a single blow but good thing that we are spread out all over the world to spread the word of love to each other and how well we get along as well why can't the world be more like us... ^w^
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...because if we were all clustered in the same place they would destroy us in a single blow but good thing that we are spread out all over the world to spread the word of love to each other and how well we get along as well why can't the world be more like us...
I really like how you said thta. That's going in my quote book. :3
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what would happen if a war between furs and fur haters broke out mass uprising, total chaos, murder so on and so forth
hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaah sarcasm. ^_^
why can't the world be more like us
cus that would suck.
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I hate the people who hate us so much, that they think we desearve death. Death for what!? What did we do so badly that we desearve death!?
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I hate the people who hate us so much, that they think we desearve death.
Hooray for the vocal minority
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I don't see why anyone would hate a fur so much that they would want them to die.
Death is some serious stuff.
If your not doing anything innapropiate to animals or hurting other people, then its ok.
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ah but thats the thing... they think thats all furrys are... the animals thing... its part of the stereotype :'( ... though i still dont think they would really want them to die... a bit extreme?
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Yea.... But its the exact opposite.
Most furs see that as one of the worst things that a person can do to their fursonia animals.
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exactly, which is why i hate stereoyping so much, with anything....
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(Sigh) I know. Sterotypes show your ignorance.
But my friends understand, even if they joke about it sometimes. :D
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well my friend just accepts it... in fact he sometimes pets me... apparntly he finds it relaxing when hes pissed off about somthing ^_^
and yes, stereotyping is purely ignorance :(
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Why do fursonias always seem to wear shorts? :?
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If your not doing anything inappropriate to animals or hurting other people, then its ok.
Yeah, i would never dream of doing anything bad or inappropriate to a animal (maybe with exception for flies and mosquitos) i have always treated animals with a huge respect and will always do it ^_^
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Why do fursonias always seem to wear shorts?
i have no idea.... i drew mine like that cos thats what i wear... three-quarter length jeans... ^_^
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Heh. :D
I was peeved when I watched the season finale of Whale Wars (see thread (http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=9239.0)) and they got in trouble for protecting the whales....
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Why do fursonias always seem to wear shorts?
i have no idea.... i drew mine like that cos thats what i wear... three-quarter length jeans... ^_^
My fursona's doesn't wear anything XD (atleast not in feral form)
Tho i drew Feralfox in anthroform about a day ago, and then i drew it with long jeans XD
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Backseat moderating isn't necessary.
WingedZephyr
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I got a collar to wear at school, and a friend said "I didn't know that you were a fur :D"
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Well, my mom kinda knows ima fur but i dont know how much she knows about the furry fandom...
I havn't told dad about it yet, i kida want to tell him but im both abit too shy and i havn't gotten a good chance to do it either :'(
...i just hope it all turns out good when i tell him.... 0:)
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I'm open about it to everyone! ^_^
Even my parents know, I didn't tell them they just found out...
...however I never get on the forums when they are around and I don't know why. :/
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Even my parents know, I didn't tell them they just found out...
I didn't really tell my mom either, she kinda just found out, im kinda trying to get my dad to "just" find out without me telling him, i dont know why but it just feels easier for some reason...
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Yea well mine found out because this site was in the computer's history.
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My mom found out because i put up a furry picture on my door, also it says "proud to be a furry" in the bottom right of it :P
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Heh. :D
I was peeved when I watched the season finale of Whale Wars (see thread (http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=9239.0)) and they got in trouble for protecting the whales....
I just think it's wrong that the people who are KILLING the animals are apparently doing nothing wrong, but the people who are SAVING the animals are breaking the law.
Anyway, no matter how much I try to explain to my dad what furries are, he still thinks I am a wierdo.
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My dad thinks I'm a weirdo no matter what I do lol
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We are weirdos... aren't we? Weirdos are just not the norm. I'm weird. I enjoy my own brand of weird.
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Liking AnthroAnimals is not wierd, IMO.
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extrapolating a persona from what you like and your own personality is a bit more than most would do.
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I dont think its that weird, i dont think your weird if your just being yourself :P
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extrapolating a persona from what you like and your own personality is a bit more than most would do.
Not at all, I don't think.
I haven't told my mom yet, but I don't know how she would react.
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And how would she react benny?
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Heh. :D
I was peeved when I watched the season finale of Whale Wars (see thread (http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=9239.0)) and they got in trouble for protecting the whales....
I just think it's wrong that the people who are KILLING the animals are apparently doing nothing wrong, but the people who are SAVING the animals are breaking the law.
Yea, shows how some people have no value for other life than humans.
My parent's MIGHT know, IDK...
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What do you mean they might know?
And by the way I LOVE Moose A. Moose! :D
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I get on the forums on my mom's computer, so she HAS to have checked by now.
MOOSE A. MOOSE IS THE BEST!
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That makes sense. I get on the forums on the family computer that's how mine found out.
And on a side note this christmas the family computer will be moved from the living room to my room and it will become my personal computer! ^_^
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And how would she react benny?
I dunno, but online, she goes by SpiritedFoxxy or whatever, so if she were to hate me for being a furry, then she would probably be a hypocrite.
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There's a quote that stuck out when I was watching Meet The Sniper.
"S'long as there's two people left on this planet, someone is gonna want someone dead"
That got me thinking. Generally, human beings can't stand each other, and are always finding more ways to hate each other. It's really common against minority groups. It's the difference between cultures, and the fact that there's more of them than there are of you somehow legitimises it. People focus on the bad things, the finer details, and don't accomodate the bigger picture probably because they don't want to. People are gonna hate each other and take the mickey out of others because, I think, that it proves to themselves that they're superior, that they're right and everyone else is wrong. When was admitting that you were wrong ever a good feeling?
Furries just get it bad because people refuse to look at it from our point of view, because they don't want to be wrong, or that they don't want to face the fact the media is wrong. And it's not just furries, it happens everywhere with anyone a little different from the norm. Homophobia and racism is still about today.
The only time the human race will ever stop hating each other will be when we're united in hate against aliens, or something. And that makes me a little sad; knowing that we have to hate something else to stop hating something.
I haven't told anyone that I'm a furry. But, I know that at least my best mate wouldn't care in the slightest; I figure he'd say something along the lines of "You're still the same guy I was friends with yesterday, this doesn't change anything."
In a way, I don't think I need to tell anyone without being prompted. I want people to know me as "that cool guy you can depend on" first, and "that furry" after. Being a furry is only a small part of everything that makes me the person I am today.
Maybe if furries were the good guys first, and then the furries second, maybe the general opinion of us might change.
Not to say you guys aren't good people, of course. You guys are pretty cool. :)
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People hate others because people hate the new things. People hate games cus they didnt grow up with it being a big part of their lives. People hate minorities because communities grow in a short amount of time and are very visible. If they havent grown up with it, they dont understand it, they dont like it. simple... as... that... although with certain other things, it is passed down by parents and by communities. Either way, my point stands.
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im the slovakian guy who loves to rave first, a furry second... maybe even third.... ^_^