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Furry Chat => General => Topic started by: 0nefang on October 20, 2017, 03:29:37 AM
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this is just so form to see who's for Trump
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Or better yet, "Aw helllllllll naw!"
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I support Donald Trump and his decisions and I live in Canadian I can already see what's going on what they want
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I am with John Red Beard. ^_^
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Not sure which I find worse, Trump or Theresa May/Brexit ..
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I'm indifferent, but at the very least Trump has the balls to stand up to those authoritarian asshats that seem to be everywhere. At least he didn't want to start a war with another world power right off the bat. I'm sick and tired of being labelled as hateful/evil before I even open my mouth, so I support changing that attitude. I'm a straight, White, cisgendered male. What does that tell you about what I'm told, hmm? I have had some pretty significant problems I'm not willing to disclose here. If I was as 'privileged' as I'm called, I would have been able to just walk away from those past problems without any incident. But that didn't happen. And don't you dare tell me my problems are "inconsequential by comparison." Get to know me better and you might just learn why I say this.
I always look at things from as much of an objective standpoint as I can. My feelings do not override my ability to think logically by any metric. That's why the news media pisses me off so much. As someone who likes to use subtle subversions and riddle-like jokes, I can see right through every attempt to pull wool over my eyes and try to abuse my selflessness. They are as bad as Trump says, but I held this opinion for far longer than he's been on the forefront.
A good example of why I don't necessarily support Trump is something he said in a recent comment, in which he asked about revoking media licenses simply for a report based on what seemed like evidence to a point. Not to say the media hasn't hounded him with ungodly accusations that are completely unfounded and tried to unseat him with a myriad of lies and personal attacks, but that temper tantrum behavior is kind of an issue. Unprofessionalism does sneak in every so often.
That said, his opposition seems to function entirely on unprofessionalism. Destroying people's personal property, threatening police and sometimes even killing them, abusing and exploiting people for their race/sexuality/gender, covering up/ apologizing for crimes that don't suit their narrative and just straight up attacking people over their opinions. That shit is absolutely evil. Might as well just be inverted Jim Crowe laws.
Also the EU is vile and I've known that for years. So good on Britain.
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That's not how privilege works. Privilege is like getting a head start in a race. It doesn't guarantee you're going to win.
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That kind of privilege doesn't exist. Period.
If it did, men, white people, straight people and cisgendered people would not constantly have mere accusations turned into convictions by lawmakers.
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There's more Asian privilege than white privilege privilege there's more colored privilege than white privilege
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Personally glad Trump got in. His winning, and the populace's/media's (over)reaction just go to show that democracy is working as it should. Plus I love the fact that him winning has shown those who pay attention how hypocritical the elite and the media are, and how panicked they are by the fact that the status quo is being threatened. Change isn't a bad thing, our society is always in a constant state of change, and more often than not, "bad" shit happening is what is needed to push us towards being better. I wish the best of luck to him during his Presidency.
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Well I don't know about asian privilege, but the systemic disparity favoring whites over blacks is a quantifiable, measurable phenomenon. Same with straight cis people over LGBT people, and men over women, although the latter is more complex.
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Alright, then let's see how favorably things rule for the next white guy they falsely label a NAZI and the next "marginalized" person who assaults a police officer/"privileged" person.
Privilege is a fallacy that assumes that all circumstances can be the same. Privilege is a fallacy that assumes that no other factors contribute to life's shortcomings. Privilege is a fallacy that presumes that everyone's just hateful and that's why there's a disparity.
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Privilege doesn't assume any of those things. There are a lot of factors that go into determining the outcome of any situation. All the concept of privilege is is an acknowledgment that race (or gender, or sexual orientation) is one of those factors. And it is bared out by numerous studies and statistics.
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Then prove it.
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I'm going to go on ahead and intervene with this before this carries on, but please do remain on-topic and civil about this type of debate. The original-poster asked who was "For Trump" specifically.
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Im ok with this freedom of speech First Amendment
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Aight, all good. I didn't even say what experience I had that made me think this way kek. Oh well. But like I said, I don't care for Trump but I don't hate the guy either. He was a necessary change.
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I agree with u
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Well I don't know about asian privilege, but the systemic disparity favoring whites over blacks is a quantifiable, measurable phenomenon. Same with straight cis people over LGBT people, and men over women, although the latter is more complex.
Sources? I'm making an assumption, here, but if you're going to mention anything regarding the slave trade of black men by white men, this wasn't something done by only white men. Black slaves were sold to white people by other blacks. And slave trade existed in majority black countries as well. Not to mention slavery is still alive and well in places such as Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_contemporary_Africa). I know wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery) isn't the best source of info, so here (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/17/world/la-fg-wn-slavery-africa-20131017) is another. The slave trade is something nearly every civilization took part in at some point in history, doesn't make it excusable, but why pin it solely on the white man?
And to bring it to more modern times... Let's say blacks killed by police in the USA as evidence of privilege. Except, wait... statistically white people are more likely to be shot by police officers, and blacks more likely to be shot by other blacks. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCQFH5wOJo)
Privilege, the way it is used now, is a joke. It's propaganda, and sensationalism. The use of privilege as it is used today is a very, very dangerous line to walk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em82ZmetFhg). Which is why we are seeing uprising in violence - NOT because of some disparity, not because one group is more privileged, but because people are continuously labeling themselves, dividing themselves. Making it an "Us vs. them" issue and simplifying complex problems, thus only making matters worse.
As for the women/men (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eieVE-xFXuo) inequality debate... rubbish. We're glorified apes, of course there is a hierarchy! Or are we just going to throw biology out of the window, now? Men and women are biologically VERY different, which is what causes gender roles, male "aggression", etc etc. Study our closest ancestors, apes, or any monkeys for that matter. There are clear social hierarchies, dominant males, social groups, niches and roles filled by members, NOT equality. This is a natural order, and by trying to change it so drastically, you'll only cause mayhem.
But yeah, Trump is a breath of fresh air in this regard. I don't agree with everything he has said and done, he's a damn buffoon at times, BUT, he's standing up against, what I consider, bullshit, so I applaud him for that - even if he's full of bullshit himself, at times.
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Also the EU is vile and I've known that for years. So good on Britain.
Not to steer this too off topic but I just wanna say that, as an EU citizen with several friends and acquaintances based in Britain, I find the EU to be far from vile. In contrast, I would consider it to have done a lot of good by uniting so many nations both in trade, travel and overall freedom. The EU for example is a big part in why internet connectivity and overall internet freedom works so much better here than in the US with high-speed fiber being very common, proper regulations being in place to ensure net neutrality and so forth. Also, look at how well trade works compared to, say, US-Canada trade where there's often huge brokerage fees and taxes and stuff for private consumers. The EU also has very good regulations in place for cross-country warranty claims and even return policies so long both countries are members of the EU.
As far as Britain is concerned, it would seem that most of the Brexit outcome currently is almost entirely damage control since almost all the promises from the Leave-campaign fell through as blatant lies and everyone realizing they made a decision with literally no plan on how to continue forward beyond simply making the decision. This is an outcome I, and many others, predicted and argued would likely happen long before the vote even happened and I know several Brits whom did not believe me back then, primarily due to lack of understanding of what they were actually voting for (or against).
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You guys were warned about going off-topic and yet you still remain doing so. I can see no positive outcome from leaving this thread open so it is being locked.