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Title: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Brisky on April 13, 2017, 10:57:17 AM
Good morning!

Soo, Over time I began to notice an odd little thing from my semi-outsider perspective of the furry community. Wich is that, as far as I've seen, there are very little to no heterosexual, and straight forwarded genderded people in this community.

At least, from my perspective.

Therefore, out of pure curiousity, I'm just here to ask you all wether or not you're heterosexual, and non-transgender.


Disclaimer: I do not represent any research institute or initiative what-so-ever, and will not publish the results from this poll anywhere.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Ventus Fall on April 13, 2017, 11:27:51 AM
First off, welcome to the forums :)

I must say, I find it funny that a tank would ask furries these questions :P

Also, hope this doesn't sound unkind, just something I noticed:
Why is there no 'Straight' option without sexual activity? Or just a 'Straight' option without the sexual activity mentions?
Just think that might be worth taking a look at, as you can be straight without being sexually active, just like the other sexualities you mentioned, which also don't state that extra part.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Dean on April 13, 2017, 11:31:35 AM
Also, hope this doesn't sound unkind, just something I noticed:
Why is there no 'Straight' option without sexual activity? Or just a 'Straight' option without the sexual activity mentions?
Just think that might be worth taking a look at, as you can be straight without being sexually active, just like the other sexualities you mentioned, which also don't state that extra part.

Yes, this! :D
I'm also straight but not sexually active. Anyway, I took the one answer above now. ^^
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Ventus Fall on April 13, 2017, 11:36:21 AM
Plus, forgot to add: I feel especially at the end, sexualities are mixed with genders.
You have a sexuality and a gender.
Examples:
1) Say you're a male, identify as a male and in love with the opposite gender.
Your gender is male, your sexuality is heterosexual.
2) You're a male, identify as 'ungendered', in love with the opposite gender (to your physical body).
Your gender is non-binary, sexuality (technically speaking) heterosexual.

Basically what I'm saying is, as an example to your options:
You can be 'straight' or 'homosexual' (lesbian is still homosexual) and still identify gender-wise with the same/opposite body. This has nothing to do with agender.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Dean on April 13, 2017, 11:42:33 AM
Plus, forgot to add: I feel especially at the end, sexualities are mixed with genders.
You have a sexuality and a gender.
Examples:
1) Say you're a male, identify as a male and in love with the opposite gender.
Your gender is male, your sexuality is heterosexual.
2) You're a male, identify as 'ungendered', in love with the opposite gender (to your physical body).
Your gender is non-binary, sexuality (technically speaking) heterosexual.

Basically what I'm saying is, as an example to your options:
You can be 'straight' or 'homosexual' (lesbian is still homosexual) and still identify gender-wise with the same/opposite body. This has nothing to do with agender.

Is there a like button? :P
You're absolutely right. Didn't think about it. :D
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Cheza on April 13, 2017, 12:07:11 PM

I'm a bisexual tomboyish female. (And to clarify, I don't consider tomboy to be its own gender, so I guess that means I'm not-trans/cis/whatever.)


And from a quickly looking through the various sexual orientation groups on FA, it'd appear that there's indeed more gay people than straight in the fandom (~5642 straight and ~9681 gay).
There's also ~2277 furs identifying as some form of trans, ~298 genderless, and ~2472 identifying as genderfluid. Don't think there's any group for cis-people, so can't really give a number on that, but seeing as there's supposedly close to two million accounts on FA, I'd imagine cis-identifying people to vastly outnumber the amount of transgendered ones.


So, at least for FA, there'd appear to be more gay than straight people around, at least ones that are actively watching the groups and stuff. (But then again this isn't really the best thing to go by considering how few registered members there are actually watching the groups)
But interestingly enough, a dating group (also on FA, and open to all sexualities) has 87 ads posted in the straight-section and only 2 in the gay one.
Even with all the various LGBT-sexualities lumped together, the straights are in the majority there, surprisingly enough.




As for this site, there's been a few polls throughout the years, and the results might  also come as a bit surprising:


https://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=15426.0;viewresults (https://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=15426.0;viewresults)


https://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=24597.msg1128194#msg1128194 (https://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=24597.msg1128194#msg1128194)


https://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=29745.msg1533558#msg1533558 (https://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=29745.msg1533558#msg1533558)


With the exception of 2014, straight "on it's own" was in the majority, but lumping all of the LGBT together, they outnumber the straights.


(There's also been at least one gender identity poll as far as I can remember, but I can't seem to find it anymore.)


Then, this would also suggest that there are more straight than gay furries around, but that there is a much larger concentration of gay people in the fandom than out in general society. (Tho again, lumping all the LGBT together they still tend to outnumber straight people. And in many cases, most seem to identify as bi)
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Sexual_orientation (http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Sexual_orientation)


In short, there seem to be more straight people around than people tend to think, but as the concentration of various other sexualities is higher than in general, it seems like there's hardly any straight people around.


Not really proper evidence of anything, but it's got numbers and stuff I suppose.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Albie on April 13, 2017, 12:39:50 PM
Welcome.

I am a gay guy.  I do not really know the statistics between straight/gay in the furry community. 

But I can tell you why it appealed to me.  I live in a conservative place where I have always felt different than the people around me as I only know a handful of other gay guys in my non-internet life.  This led me to feel like I didn't belong.  I have always liked childlike things such as talking animals in cartoons and now I can wear that almost like an emotional mask.  When I feel like an outcast, I can think of my fursona and he exudes my best qualities which makes me more proud and confident.  So I feel less like an outcast and more like a unique individual.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Brisky on April 13, 2017, 02:25:36 PM
Why is there no 'Straight' option without sexual activity? Or just a 'Straight' option without the sexual activity mentions?
Just think that might be worth taking a look at, as you can be straight without being sexually active, just like the other sexualities you mentioned, which also don't state that extra part.

Seems I missmade it. I didn't mean to ask wether the reader is sexually active, but rather if they have a functioning sex drive.
thanks for mentioning!
I changed it to "sexually driven". I hope that would clarify.

And it's more just a poll to simply determine who is straight, who is (trans) asexual, and who is something else, like gay, lesbian, trans, etc.

But it seems it's been done before.

Silly me should've just googled it before making any polls... 

Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Bricket on April 13, 2017, 07:27:28 PM
>Implying asexuality is a real thing

It is true that there are many "lgbt"'s in this fandom but there is also an huge influx of made up genders and sexualities which corrupts the demographics and thus making "polls" impossible to do.
However, this could be rather interesting.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Ventus Fall on April 13, 2017, 09:50:48 PM
Seems I missmade it. I didn't mean to ask wether the reader is sexually active, but rather if they have a functioning sex drive.
thanks for mentioning!
I changed it to "sexually driven". I hope that would clarify.

And it's more just a poll to simply determine who is straight, who is (trans) asexual, and who is something else, like gay, lesbian, trans, etc.

But it seems it's been done before.

Silly me should've just googled it before making any polls...

I still don't understand what sexually-driven has to do with being straight. It now seems when someone is homosexual or agender that they're not sexually driven.
So what I meant with my previous message was: If the poll was truly reflecting if the reader is straight, transsexual, asexual, etc. then the sexually-driven part should be left out of it, as it has nothing to do with one's gender or preference.
Hope that makes sense :)

And it has been done and researched many times, but it's ok to still make your own poll/research to understand the community more if you're interested in that particular part of the fandom.


>Implying asexuality is a real thing

It is true that there are many "lgbt"'s in this fandom but there is also an huge influx of made up genders and sexualities which corrupts the demographics and thus making "polls" impossible to do.
However, this could be rather interesting.

This isn't what the poll is about whether certain genders are 'real' or not, but to clarify to others and not go further off-topic: since gender is something in your brain and mind, that means any option is a possibility.
Of course if someone would joke around saying their gender is an Apache Helicopter that would be odd, but in this case with genders you are what you say you are. So be an Apache Helicopter, even though we know that would be really odd xD
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Bricket on April 13, 2017, 09:57:36 PM
>Implying asexuality is a real thing

It is true that there are many "lgbt"'s in this fandom but there is also an huge influx of made up genders and sexualities which corrupts the demographics and thus making "polls" impossible to do.
However, this could be rather interesting.

This isn't what the poll is about whether certain genders are 'real' or not, but to clarify to others and not go further off-topic: since gender is something in your brain and mind, that means any option is a possibility.
Of course if someone would joke around saying their gender is an Apache Helicopter that would be odd, but in this case with genders you are what you say you are. So be an Apache Helicopter, even though we know that would be really odd xD
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Last answer before we went off-topic:
there is no solid ground to assume all genders are "real", genderfluid, asexual, 3rd gender, they all have to be proven before considered a real deal.

Back to the poll: like earlier said, it would have been better if there was a distinction made between gender and sexuality.
However I do applaud attempts to make a great demographic representation of this rather intruiging fandom.

EDIT (I've noticed that I've forgotten to include a bigger part  :P )
So to continue: With thisn poll it can be very easy to use causation/corrolation which is dangerous. But as with every poll I'm curious to see the outcome of this one. As it is at this point (14/04/2017 00.11 GMT+1) a rather expected answers seems to be topping. If this poll gets enough votes I might start a more specific poll to see more interesting results.

OP, you've done a great job and I'm curious for the outcome.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Aurorans Solis on April 14, 2017, 08:20:17 AM
>Implying asexuality is a real thing
Hmm... (https://www.bustle.com/articles/103232-5-myths-about-asexuality-debunked-by-science)

(http://u.cubeupload.com/Aurorans_Solis/18dHmmmv2.png)
Hmm... (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1811293/)
(http://u.cubeupload.com/Aurorans_Solis/DistortedHmmLasers.png)
HMM... (https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/are-there-asexuals-among-us-on-the-possibility-of-a-fourth-sexual-orientation/)
(http://u.cubeupload.com/Aurorans_Solis/Weregettingthere.png)


Those make me far too happy for my own good ˙ ͜ʟ˙



Ah, yes, forgot to mention. Asexual speaking, here.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Ventus Fall on April 14, 2017, 07:54:59 PM
I said it before, but it seems I have to say it again as an actual in-thread warning. Shame it has come to this.
Please do not steer threads off-topic. Take it to PM if you wish to continue the discussion, such as about asexuality being a 'real thing' or not.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Malina on April 14, 2017, 08:33:41 PM
I'd say I'm asexual and also mtf, it's interesting to see how many asexual there are who don't identify with their birth set, I thought it'd be the polar opposite considering the... darker side of the fandom xD but facts are better than opinions as we all know
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Brigand on April 14, 2017, 08:45:29 PM
I'm a straight guy. That's some **censor** up shit, I know. Don't judge.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Rocco Rex on April 15, 2017, 07:29:43 AM
Challenger, you have the BEST account name and photo ever. 100/10 on creativity (and being military themed)

As for me? Born a guy, always will be a guy. Not really attracted to either sex sexually, but only fell in love once and it's with a girl so...IDK which category I should choose

Feel free to PM me about anything. Including if you have more questions about the fandom. I myself am often taking a look demographics and statistics and such (at least, what I can gain from who I meet)
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Michen_S on April 16, 2017, 07:07:26 PM
Personally, I never really fell in love with anyone. Even though I had times where I thought someone was really beautiful, but not more than that. Maybe it can grow out of friendship someday, maybe not. I don't know. Doesn't seem to happen to me on first sight, anyways.

I identify as agender. Viewing myself as agender helps me to collect the courage to break through traditional gender expectations, and I don't care about my sex a lot anyways. I mainly use my sex to steer clear from certain problems nowadays.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Brisky on April 17, 2017, 07:56:50 PM

EDIT (I've noticed that I've forgotten to include a bigger part )
So to continue: With thisn poll it can be very easy to use causation/corrolation which is dangerous. But as with every poll I'm curious to see the outcome of this one. As it is at this point (14/04/2017 00.11 GMT+1) a rather expected answers seems to be topping. If this poll gets enough votes I might start a more specific poll to see more interesting results.

OP, you've done a great job and I'm curious for the outcome.

Please, If you think you can do this poll better then I did, go right ahead!

(I'm genuinly not being sarcastic! People tell me I sound sarcastic sometimes on the internet, but I'm not now.)


I really feel like I have insufficient knowledge about all the types of genders and on how to properly construct polls, and it seems like you, and Ventus get it a lot better than me.

Soo, if you wanna use your moderator powers to enhance this thread, I welcome you to!
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: L4BY_ on April 29, 2017, 06:46:34 PM
I found out I was bisexual 5 years ago before joining the fandom a year later. I was really surprised when I later realized approximately 2/3 of the people in this fandom are either, homo, bi, trans or else.


It's really strange xD
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: anoni on May 30, 2017, 04:40:26 PM
Did you know heterosexuals are still more numerous than homosexuals in the fandom? Actually the largest demographic is Bisexuals, followed by heterosexuals and then homosexuals (making up 18% of the fandom).

As Bisexuals make up about 36% of the fandom that means that 54% of the fandom (AT LEAST) is attracted to the same sex.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: November on May 31, 2017, 08:13:14 AM
I'm a heterosexual cis female.


It does seem the furry fandom has LGBTQ+ members than other fandom :p
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: uhh on June 02, 2017, 03:34:54 AM
I'm a transgender polysexual male.


I think the furry fandom has more LGBTI+ than most others is becuase we're pretty accepting, and fursonas allow a person to define any part of themselves and show themselves in a positive light. That's just my guess though.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Ventus Fall on June 02, 2017, 04:26:28 PM
Did you know heterosexuals are still more numerous than homosexuals in the fandom? Actually the largest demographic is Bisexuals, followed by heterosexuals and then homosexuals (making up 18% of the fandom).

As Bisexuals make up about 36% of the fandom that means that 54% of the fandom (AT LEAST) is attracted to the same sex.


Sorry in advance, I don't follow ^^;
You say there are more heterosexuals than homosexuals, but following that you say that 54% of the fandom is homosexual?

So what I read is:
54% homosexual
36% bisexual
10% heterosexual and other(?)

I don't see where the hetrosexuals, who seem to be more numerous, fit into this equation or these percentages.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Malina on June 02, 2017, 04:38:19 PM
I'm assuming that what he meant by 54% is attracted to the same sex is bisexuals and homosexuals combined, with 36% being bi, 18% homosexual and 46% other :3


Have to admit that did surprise me a bit
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Bricket on June 02, 2017, 08:17:50 PM
Did you know heterosexuals are still more numerous than homosexuals in the fandom?

As Bisexuals make up about 36% of the fandom

Bi master race
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Jari on June 05, 2017, 07:38:56 PM
I used to think i was heterosexual, but I do find that I am attracted to some guys now as well so I am bisexual?
(I am still a teenager so I am not sure, maybe it's a phase?)
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Bricket on June 05, 2017, 08:29:52 PM
I used to think i was heterosexual, but I do find that I am attracted to some guys now as well so I am bisexual?
(I am still a teenager so I am not sure, maybe it's a phase?)
If you doubt yourself, you aren't bi.
But if you're straight but you show some interest in males, it could be you're bi-curious.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Malina on June 06, 2017, 01:46:13 PM
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/009/832/dafuq-did-i-just-read-meme.jpg)
But yeah let's fight those assholes !!

Also you got the B and the T the wrong way round ;p
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Brisky on June 06, 2017, 02:02:16 PM
Hmmm...

Noone noticed I accidently wrote "!.". No?

Excellent!
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Ventus Fall on June 07, 2017, 01:53:45 PM
I used to think i was heterosexual, but I do find that I am attracted to some guys now as well so I am bisexual?
(I am still a teenager so I am not sure, maybe it's a phase?)

Sexuality, preferences, and gender are all subject to change. Some people are 100% secure, but that is extremely rare, especially if you're a teenager and young adult.
So that's not strange at all.

I've gone from:
Thinking I was asexual (although I doubted this, but I didn't really seem to really be attracted to anyone, whcih seemed to be 'normal' for others) to thinking I was transgender, then heterosexual with curiosity for bisexuality (in that time if I could have hooked up with the same gender, I might be able to say for sure, but I couldn't), then I settled on pansexuality and demisexuality.
And sometimes I experienced a mix of this a few times too, changing it all around. I was certain I was not gay, however.

Anyways, settling on being a demi+pansexual... That's only been in the last... few years, and it's stuck around ever since. So only now I can say for sure, or at least with a lot more certainty than years ago that I am exactly that.
But labels shouldn't matter regardless. You are who you are.

I found out it's not what a person looks like. They can be male, female, or anything in between or none of these (yes, physically this is possible), but I don't care about that.
I care about the person, their behaviour, acts, etc.
Sure, I have preferences. Everyone does (certain body build, hair colour, etc.), it's something natural. But I really couldn't be together with someone who I cannot have an emotional, mental bond with and grow over time.
Title: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Akartoshi on June 28, 2017, 08:10:07 AM
I'm a straight guy, but I am not attracted to females. Well, not human females at least. It's really, really annoying to have to explain every single time because I know that everyone has their own opinions and are quick to jump to conclusions. Regardless I hope you all are more understanding because well, this is a furry forum, after all.

I assume that the reason why there are a lot more gays over regular straight people since people can indulge with their fantasies. That is the whole concept of furries and fursona; you get to be what you want. Since people here are a lot less subjective towards gender (at least, more than in my country because **censor** hell my nation kills everyone) and therefore people see the online world as a... kind of security? For this reason I assume that straight human interested people don't really need a protection because that's considered normal. That would explain the amount of gays/trans/people like me who I guess can be theirselves on the internet without receiving negative attention and in the case of my nation, murder.

People in the modern world are so dense. They hate change. More than that, there are so many hypocritical people. Everyone is subjective instead of objective. Online, it's a different story. Nobody judges gays here, so they get to use it freely.
Title: Re: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Brisky on June 29, 2017, 07:24:35 AM
That's an interesting and plausible theory.

But, just to get it right, you're saying, that in this case, the subject gets involved in the furry community, because it seeks a place to be it's LGTB-self, rather than for the core aspect. You don't think there are alternatives, on the internet, for a LGTB-person, that don't involve animals walking upright?

What also concerns me, is that you're suggesting that there's a repancy between the numbers of LGTB'ers and their place-of-origin, being that, in the furry community, the numbers of LGTB'ers are higher in countries where it is considered "wrong" to be LGTB, because these people would be seeking "refuge" in the community.

I'm not saying it's implausible, but in my (limited) personal experience, I've actually seen staggeringly higher numbers of straight, non-trans furries from countries where being LGTB is a "problem", possibly because these people are imprinted by their envirement, in believing that being LGTB is a problem, and are thus less likely to admit being it, or admit to being it.

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Title: The curiously large number of LGTB's in the furry community
Post by: Akartoshi on June 29, 2017, 08:02:00 AM
That's an interesting and plausible theory.

But, just to get it right, you're saying, that in this case, the subject gets involved in the furry community, because it seeks a place to be it's LGTB-self, rather than for the core aspect. You don't think there are alternatives, on the internet, for a LGTB-person, that don't involve animals walking upright?

What also concerns me, is that you're suggesting that there's a repancy between the numbers of LGTB'ers and their place-of-origin, being that, in the furry community, the numbers of LGTB'ers are higher in countries where it is considered "wrong" to be LGTB, because these people would be seeking "refuge" in the community.

I'm not saying it's implausible, but in my (limited) personal experience, I've actually seen staggeringly higher numbers of straight, non-trans furries from countries where being LGTB is a "problem", possibly because these people are imprinted by their envirement, in believing that being LGTB is a problem, and are thus less likely to admit being it, or admit to being it.

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Well, I guess what I wrote is just a wild theory. I guess there are alternatives, but actually I haven't seen any gay forums or solely gay based communities that much.

I think that it would make sense. If you aren't allowed to practice your belief in real life, do it online. (Or at least, that's what others believe.) Otherwise, they are too afraid. I am not really sure at all actually :/

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