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TFF Central => Announcements => Topic started by: Tweak on November 02, 2011, 10:36:07 PM

Title: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Tweak on November 02, 2011, 10:36:07 PM
As many of you are aware the forums are facing what many could deem as an undetermined future.

For the last 4 years that I have been operating the forums completely I have been footing the costs of the forums and associated services from my own pocket, this equals to over $12,000 in total, that even with the generous donations has never been matched.

As a number of you will be aware for the last 4 years I have been a student and graduated with a Bachelors Degree in 2010 and then went on to study teaching. Unfortunately, I was unable to complete this course due to some issues with my college. Earlier this year I got married and will be within the next couple of months emigrating from the United Kingdom to the United States.

The loss of income - no longer a student, and not current employed as well as the impending move meant that for the foreseeable future I'd be unable to afford to continue to foot the bills here.

I have been through many options from downsizing to seeking outside funding but none of these have proved fruitful.

However, this does not mean what you are now all thinking.

As previously mentioned I was unable to complete my year of study due to my college. This has led to a long and arduous appeal claim against my college in relation to the fact they broke their regulations. I was fortunate enough to be offered a small amount of compensation. Although nowhere near what I feel it was worth it is enough to cover the server costs for a year.

After working with my server administrators a deal was made to provide a discounted rate for the year.

This secures the server for the next year of service. Please note however, that donations are still very much appreciated as I have spent my own compensatory money on securing the service for you. All donator perks will be retained and further perks will be added over time.

Many thanks to all the donators last month and in the future for helping to support the service as much as you can.

Expect some big updates to be announced in the next month now that the forums are here to stay.

And please, please, please continue to donate without your help, I cannot guarantee the future beyond 2012.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Puncia on November 02, 2011, 10:57:44 PM
Maybe I should start practising more so the PFP badges become more desirable...

Anyhow, it's great news. Not the best, as it's incredibly stupid to not give you a full refund. But it's something.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Alexei on November 02, 2011, 11:05:34 PM
Hm, Mixed news here.


We're really gonna have to work together these next couple of months to keep the forums up and running.
I know we can pull it off.  :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: ArcticSkyWolf on November 02, 2011, 11:23:20 PM
Time to start donating.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on November 03, 2011, 01:01:02 AM
Depending on how successful the future is for me, I wouldn't mind fronting some of that bill if I make it in time.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: WingedZephyr on November 03, 2011, 01:42:28 PM
THANK YOU, TWEAK.


<3
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: x on November 03, 2011, 03:00:36 PM
^ +1

I will be donating that money I said I would very soon, within a few days.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: icy wolf on November 03, 2011, 11:44:34 PM
thank you tweak, ill try to give what and when i can.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Shadow_wolf on November 04, 2011, 10:41:55 AM
$12,000.00???  whoa!          I'm not sure of the proper way to ask this without sounding rude so I will just say it out right in hopes that it is not displayed elsewhere less I look even more the fool lol,  but what amount roughly (or exactly) do you need.   I am still very new to this forum and have only viewed possiblye 3 % of it, but love it here and the people are awesome and very friendly and welcoming.   This has made me greatly consider helping with your funds if/when I can and I would love to learn more so that I can help out in whatever ways that I can.   I have seen little so far but love what I have viewed as of yet and would love to help out if I can.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Tweak on November 04, 2011, 12:36:53 PM
The donation amount shown monthly on our donation meter is what is required to cover costs in general. It varies at times but gives an idea at least.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Scar WhiteDream on November 05, 2011, 03:09:22 AM
wow o.o :o That motivates me even more to get a job to be able to donate more often :D Thanks Tweak, you're a pawesome dwagon and we wuv you tight ^-^ Keep the good job and we'll try to keep the moneh coming in to help you :3
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: ArcticSkyWolf on November 05, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Time to get a prepaid credit card and donate some to TFF.  i want to donate a ton but i don't seem to have the money,  yet,  as in when i do get a prepaid card,  ill send some to TFF
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Kaprika on November 09, 2011, 06:08:27 PM
well since i can HONESTLY say that about %90 of my commission customers comes from TFF, i think i can afford to give a bit more than my monthly $5 to this site

its done so much for me, and i wanna repay it.
yall are the ones that helps me pay my bills and feed me!

*hugs and runs off to donate more money*
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: ArcticSkyWolf on November 10, 2011, 02:33:23 AM
Checked the donation page,  paypal only? Crap, prepaid cards can't go to paypal,  prepaid cards can't go to tff....

Any way to donate?  Can't use bank for paypal.....
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Tweak on November 10, 2011, 01:50:09 PM
At this point we only accept donations through PayPal.

We are investigating other ways but so far have not found many.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Kaprika on November 10, 2011, 03:54:46 PM
can prepayed cards be sent TO a paypal account??

if so then, just send the money to a trusted friend and have him/her donate it for you
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Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: icy wolf on November 10, 2011, 08:20:37 PM
they cant
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: ArcticSkyWolf on November 10, 2011, 09:56:37 PM
I have like until mid next year to us it but by then I would probably used it all up...
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: TechRoo on November 13, 2011, 05:08:59 PM
Wow, 12.000 dollars  o.O , Guess i should donate some more  ^_^ .
If you dont mind me asking, what kind of bandwidth usage has TFF on a monthly base?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: WingedZephyr on November 13, 2011, 05:26:49 PM
Wow, 12.000 dollars  o.O , Guess i should donate some more  ^_^ .
If you dont mind me asking, what kind of bandwidth usage has TFF on a monthly base?

Statistics are posted monthly, the latest being here: http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=13052.msg799323#msg799323 (http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=13052.msg799323#msg799323)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Tweak on November 13, 2011, 06:30:45 PM
And that's just the recorded bandwidth usage. I think the server is hitting 200GB a month pretty easily.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: ArcticSkyWolf on November 14, 2011, 12:44:46 AM
That bandwidth is nothing when you compare it to other sites, getting several petabyes or more, per day.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Timmy Fox on November 14, 2011, 01:05:02 PM
That bandwidth is nothing when you compare it to other sites, getting several petabyes or more, per day.
Other sites also have other budgets, incomes and agreements for payment costs.
TFF is very much dependent on donations.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: ___ on November 14, 2011, 02:29:16 PM
That bandwidth is nothing when you compare it to other sites, getting several petabyes or more, per day.

Sorry Artic, but when you say it like that, you come off as insensitive at best. :/
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Kite on November 14, 2011, 10:52:50 PM
Time to start donating.

Somehow, that made me think of Bear Grylls.

hope the forum can continue to run onwards after 2012, hopefully I'll have a job by then and I'll try to help out when I can :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: ArcticSkyWolf on November 15, 2011, 04:22:07 AM
That bandwidth is nothing when you compare it to other sites, getting several petabyes or more, per day.

Sorry Artic, but when you say it like that, you come off as insensitive at best. :/

Well its true, pointing out that this site is small compared to others you know :P
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Vee Katame: His Wolfy on November 15, 2011, 04:35:01 AM
Just a reminder, this isn't about determining the size of this site compared to others.
It's about the future of the forum.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: ___ on November 15, 2011, 07:54:52 AM

How else can I support the forum if I don't have any money? I'd like to help in any way that I can. :)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: icy wolf on November 16, 2011, 01:09:45 AM
so whats going to happen with tff then ?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Tweak on November 16, 2011, 11:53:32 AM
In regards to?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: icy wolf on November 19, 2011, 01:48:29 AM
if payments can not be meet. what will happen to the fourms?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Tweak on November 19, 2011, 11:33:40 AM
No idea
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Sebby on November 19, 2011, 11:54:43 AM
While everyone is doing their best (I, too, will be donating as soon as my paycheck clears ^^) in case there is such an occurrence, there ARE free forum options out there, such as ZetaBoards and InvisionFree. They might not be as awesome, but the option is there to at least keep the community together in a worst-case scenario, until we can come up with something better.

I, myself, have run a forum in the past on InvisionFree, and found its admin interface to be quite useful, just like I hope this advice has been to you!
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Tweak on November 19, 2011, 12:29:44 PM
I'm pretty sure that within a year something will have been sorted to continue supporting the forums.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Jinx Leven on December 18, 2011, 09:02:00 PM
whenever i get it i will try and donate 100$ or so. I pretty sure that would help out a good bit and if it's more than enough keep it
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Count of Cutesy on December 18, 2011, 09:28:39 PM
If I could do anything to help, I would. I do not want this forum to die, but I have no way of paying.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Puncia on December 20, 2011, 08:39:54 PM
Charity work. Encourage donations by giving away free things.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Count of Cutesy on December 20, 2011, 08:54:51 PM
Charity work. Encourage donations by giving away free things.

But I need a Checking account. I only have a Savings account. No Checking account.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Puncia on December 20, 2011, 11:03:28 PM
No actually, you don't.

All I need is proof that they have donated the sum needed to the website (listed on the front page or confirmed by Tweak) and I give them a PFP badge. The money goes straight to the forum via their donation service, I never touch it.

For instance: you can say that all that contacts you after donating $30 to the forum will receive a free drawing?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Quincy the Raccoon on December 23, 2011, 10:41:37 PM
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cannot live without this forum!

*whimpers*

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Count of Cutesy on December 26, 2011, 07:02:14 PM
Did I mention I make 80 dollars a paycheck? And that I normally use up that paycheck before I get my next one?

Most of my friends are here. I don't want to see this forum die, but I'm not sure how I can help. You say there's a way to pay with a savings account, but how?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Puncia on December 26, 2011, 09:36:35 PM
I just gave you a very good way to try and help without spending a single dime.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Count of Cutesy on December 27, 2011, 02:05:01 PM
Wow, people will earn a free drawing from me for donating 30 bucks? That's a great idea. ...Except one thing. Have you seen my drawings? I highly doubt people will spend 30$ on a drawing done by me. And if they do, they're either desperate or insane.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Quincy the Raccoon on December 27, 2011, 02:07:11 PM
Wow, people will earn a free drawing from me for donating 30 bucks? That's a great idea. ...Except one thing. Have you seen my drawings? I highly doubt people will spend 30$ on a drawing done by me. And if they do, they're either desperate or insane.
Really THAT BAD? OMGGGG!  @.@
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Count of Cutesy on December 27, 2011, 02:11:13 PM
Wow, people will earn a free drawing from me for donating 30 bucks? That's a great idea. ...Except one thing. Have you seen my drawings? I highly doubt people will spend 30$ on a drawing done by me. And if they do, they're either desperate or insane.
Really THAT BAD? OMGGGG!  @.@

mugourth.deviantart.com

Is that bad enough for you?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Tweak on December 27, 2011, 03:02:17 PM
It was an example, not a request. Puncia was just explaining how you can sell the idea of donating to the forum.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Syfaro on December 27, 2011, 03:27:03 PM
Perhaps you could have donator-only raffles?


As an example, for every five dollars you donate, you get one ticket, then ten for two, etc.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Vee Katame: His Wolfy on December 27, 2011, 04:18:22 PM
That's already being done, BadW0lf.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Syfaro on December 27, 2011, 04:29:30 PM
That's already being done, BadW0lf.


Oh, sorry. Didn't know that. I'm new :P
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Kaprika on December 27, 2011, 07:08:35 PM
shoot. its almost the end of the month and we only donated 36 bucks??
 
crapcrapcrapcrap..what happenes if we dont fill that bar by the 31st..??
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: WingedZephyr on December 27, 2011, 07:27:58 PM
From the first post:

[snip]

After working with my server administrators a deal was made to provide a discounted rate for the year.

This secures the server for the next year of service. Please note however, that donations are still very much appreciated as I have spent my own compensatory money on securing the service for you. All donator perks will be retained and further perks will be added over time.

Many thanks to all the donators last month and in the future for helping to support the service as much as you can.

Expect some big updates to be announced in the next month now that the forums are here to stay.

And please, please, please continue to donate without your help, I cannot guarantee the future beyond 2012.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Aloneness on December 27, 2011, 09:25:20 PM
I won't be able to make another big donation for a while, because I didn't get that 2nd job I was hoping to get and I'm going to be moving next year hopefully ... so I'm very tight on money ATM also trying to pay off my new computer and soon to be car ... v.v;;; Life is to expensive lol
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Count of Cutesy on December 28, 2011, 02:15:39 AM
It's been said before, but there ARE free forum services out there. They may not look as snazzy but they're free and we won't need to bother with donations. ...Personally, I think 250 dollars a month isn't worth the window dressing.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Tweak on December 28, 2011, 12:16:33 PM
It's been said before, but there ARE free forum services out there. They may not look as snazzy but they're free and we won't need to bother with donations. ...Personally, I think 250 dollars a month isn't worth the window dressing.

There's a lot more than some nice themes (which we create) that are paid for. This gives us a dedicated platform. I'm sure you're aware that people are hostile towards furries, a free service could shut down the forums based on a complaint. It's free we'd have no guarantees of service nor could we migrate everything.

Whilst you may not feel the payments are worth it, be aware I operate other services from the server as well, not to mention IRC which a lot of users here make use of. I pay the money out of my own pocket and donations are just that - donations. I keep the service free and try to minimise adverts to bring everyone a good service. No-one needs to pay and that's how things will continue.

Moving to a free service removes the majority of control I have which is what makes the community so secure. You haven't seen the trolls, pedophiles and other unsavory characters that don't get in or are dealt with before being seen. If that threat was out of my control to manage then I would not be fulfilling my task as administrator.

Donations are voluntary, we will never charge for membership. Those who choose to donate help the service and we reward them for that but those who choose not to don't lose out, you can still post, upload attachments etc.

The forums survived for 5 years when I was only a student, my contract work now is spasmodic but better paying than most jobs and will hopefully continue in the US. Either way, donations help me to actually buy myself things over spending everything on here. It's just a nice gesture from people who make use of the forums, it never has and never will be expected.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: ArcticSkyWolf on December 28, 2011, 10:29:00 PM
needs credit card donation support, since not everyone can use PayPal
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Tweak on December 28, 2011, 10:44:14 PM
As far as I'm aware if you donate then PayPal will also accept a Credit Card directly, without needing to have an account.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Rasui on December 29, 2011, 01:45:29 AM
I`m Still vary new here. Since this been my frist day.
But reading the Threads and seeing how things are i`m willing to donate what i can when i can to help keep this forums up. Right now i am bit short on the money since i spent lot for christmas but hopping that once i get things payed off that i can start donating to help you out tweat
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Kaprika on December 29, 2011, 02:24:01 AM
since this is where i get almost all my commission buisness i will alwase donate every month.
 
this place has become my lifeline to surviving
 
if ever there is a time i can donate larger sums, i WILL. but for now my monthly 5 is what i can spare.
(if things go well, ill be getting a job that pays me around 3k a month. so if that goes right. by next year you should expect around 30-50 from me a month cause i love you all so damn much)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Whitepaw Niniichi/Enigir Shosa on January 31, 2015, 12:49:29 PM
     I saw this and panicked - is this sill recent and/or relevant? Is TFF in any danger of late?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT :: The Future of the Furry Forums
Post by: Tweak on January 31, 2015, 03:54:35 PM
Donations are always welcome, at this stage we don't have any major issues. That may always change though.