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Furry Chat => General => Topic started by: Kage on February 25, 2007, 04:58:27 PM
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Or at least, a policeman posing as a minor...
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=65274
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Wow =s Not like I didn't know it happened, but it's weird reading an actual report of it. I wonder if this will make IMVU crack down even more on what's restricted and what isn't...
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Wow =s Not like I didn't know it happened, but it's weird reading an actual report of it. I wonder if this will make IMVU crack down even more on what's restricted and what isn't...
I'm not sure about that, but if you notice, Chat Casts arn't listed on the main page now.
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reminds me of why we removed the singles board. :umm:
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Yeah O_O But Who knows Now What Imvu Will Do now arf
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Yeah O_O But Who knows Now What Imvu Will Do now arf
Totally over-react of course which is what's going on now. They took down chat casts which is no big loss in my opinion. Tried it once, never again. However, now they are restricting items right and left and lots of people are losing items in their inventory that they paid for with real credits. Meaning that they paid for items that IMVU is now taking way without any compensation to the people who paid real money for those items.
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Yeah O_O But Who knows Now What Imvu Will Do now arf
Totally over-react of course which is what's going on now. They took down chat casts which is no big loss in my opinion. Tried it once, never again. However, now they are restricting items right and left and lots of people are losing items in their inventory that they paid for with real credits. Meaning that they paid for items that IMVU is now taking way without any compensation to the people who paid real money for those items.
But, what if you want the more mature items, wouldn't you pay for an Access Pass?
Stops those half naked 13 year olds running arouns.
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I agree with that 100%!
Yeah, IMVU should crack down a little more, but let's not overdo it.. I don't feel any sense of loss by the chat casts being eliminated, mostly they were just : "BOYS onlee, having ***" chats that I never went into anyways.
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Stops those half naked 13 year olds running arouns.
I agree with that... I'm 16 and I wouldn't wear what some 13 year olds wear...Not in real life, not on IMVU...
And chat casts are no big loss to me... :umm:
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Chat cast aren't a big loss to me either, but I don't get why they took them down.
Pedos, cops, teens, jerks, noobs, and normal people come with the teritory. It's a chat program.
If they took them down to avoid more attention they're pretty stupid.
Just as with MySpace or Marlyn Manson, any press is good press.
And if you stir up drama it's just going to make it even more popular...
It's retarded if you ask me. That article reeked of attention grabbing desperation.
It almost sounded like an add.
IMVU says it has added other safety features that include terms of service that govern customer interactions, a way for people to report abusive or inappropriate behavior quickly, and it encourages users not to share personal information.
So WHY do they automaticaly reveal your location when you sign up? :umm:
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So WHY do they automaticaly reveal your location when you sign up?  :umm:
IMVU doesn't think state location is specific enough to matter. Though I agree, people should be giving the option of revealing it or not from the very beginning.
And of course, yeah, we all have to accept that this all comes with the chat service territory. I just wish people would at least play it safe. I've seen (and I'll try to put this as eloquently as possible so I don't break forum rules) people "offering themselves" quite bluntly, and, chat casts or not, their profiles appear plainly on the home page under the "search people" box. I mean, you'd think by now some people would realize that yes, there really ARE perverts lurking around on the internet. Those types of people are just asking for it.
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So WHY do they automaticaly reveal your location when you sign up? :umm:
IMVU doesn't think state location is specific enough to matter. Though I agree, people should be giving the option of revealing it or not from the very beginning.
And of course, yeah, we all have to accept that this all comes with the chat service territory. I just wish people would at least play it safe. I've seen (and I'll try to put this as eloquently as possible so I don't break forum rules) people "offering themselves" quite bluntly, and, chat casts or not, their profiles appear plainly on the home page under the "search people" box. I mean, you'd think by now some people would realize that yes, there really ARE perverts lurking around on the internet. Those types of people are just asking for it.
And that's when you hit the "flag this page" button. :D
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Chat cast aren't a big loss to me either, but I don't get why they took them down.
Pedos, cops, teens, jerks, noobs, and normal people come with the teritory. It's a chat program.
If they took them down to avoid more attention they're pretty stupid.
Agreed. This current panic by IMVU is funny in a sad pathetic way. It's as if they never had any idea something like this could ever happen. The problem is that now they are punishing their legitimate users and the people who spend money to support IMVU for wahat essentially is a total lack of foresight on the part of the IMVU admins. Right now as it stands I won't be spending another dime on IMVU until IMVU has shown me that it's not run by a bunch of retards. So far it doesn't look too promising.
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So WHY do they automaticaly reveal your location when you sign up?  :umm:
IMVU doesn't think state location is specific enough to matter. Though I agree, people should be giving the option of revealing it or not from the very beginning.
And of course, yeah, we all have to accept that this all comes with the chat service territory. I just wish people would at least play it safe. I've seen (and I'll try to put this as eloquently as possible so I don't break forum rules) people "offering themselves" quite bluntly, and, chat casts or not, their profiles appear plainly on the home page under the "search people" box. I mean, you'd think by now some people would realize that yes, there really ARE perverts lurking around on the internet. Those types of people are just asking for it.
And that's when you hit the "flag this page" button. :D
That I do, but nobody could ever catch them all that way anyway :P
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I wonder if this is why the 'search people' no longer lets you search by state. =P Annoyance!
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It's possible. I never really noticed :P
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I wonder if this is why the 'search people' no longer lets you search by state.
I noticed that.
I also noticed they made a retarded change to the male restricted catalog.
Sure they let all the female anatomy restricted content stay up, but it's some how different when it's male......
IMVU and their dumb content rateing. When are they ever going to make their minds up?
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I wonder if this is why the 'search people' no longer lets you search by state.
I noticed that.
I also noticed they made a retarded change to the male restricted catalog.
Sure they let all the female anatomy restricted content stay up, but it's some how different when it's male......
IMVU and their dumb content rateing. When are they ever going to make their minds up?
When they do get some minds. Which could be... once in a blue moon?
That I do, but nobody could ever catch them all that way anyway
Well, anybody can if they have the right tools, just by using the IP Address to locate the person. IMVU uses the same thing to block people from making multiple accounts with the same IP Address to get more credits.
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Well, anybody can if they have the right tools,  just by using the IP Address to locate the person. IMVU uses the same thing to block people from making multiple accounts with the same IP Address to get more credits.
But I'm not saying just keeping them from making new accounts. I meant that IMVU can't keep track of who does or does not blatantly offer certain... erhm... "services" by saying so in their tag line. That doesn't really have to do with making multiple accounts... or am I confused? o.O
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IMVU doesn't need to keep track.
Users' can flag pages for abuse.
Be careful though if you flag some one's page and they didn't do anything that's a TOS violation right there.
They let you know that before you flag some one.
They must have a lot to handle though. I flagged nearly some one's entire catalog for art theft and I don't think anything has been done yet.
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IMVU doesn't need to keep track.
Users' can flag pages for abuse.
Be careful though if you flag some one's page and they didn't do anything that's a TOS violation right there.
They let you know that before you flag some one.
They must have a lot to handle though. I flagged nearly some one's entire catalog for art theft and I don't think anything has been done yet.
Which brings us back to the point of them needing to keep track some other way, because it obviously isn't working the way it is. :P
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I've emailed them once asking for moderators who go through homepages and removing offending content. They have that sorta system on Myspace to stop porno being posted. I think it would be a good idea.
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I've emailed them once asking for moderators who go through homepages and removing offending content. They have that sorta system on Myspace to stop corno being posted. I think it would be a good idea.
*thumbs up* Sounds good to me. I just think IMVU tries to do too much at once so nothing useful like that ever gets done :umm:
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I've emailed them once asking for moderators who go through homepages and removing offending content. They have that sorta system on Myspace to stop corno being posted. I think it would be a good idea.
*thumbs up* Sounds good to me. I just think IMVU tries to do too much at once so nothing useful like that ever gets done  :umm:
Very true.
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:umm:The thing is that no matter what precautions you take, there is always some perv in the woodpile waiting and watching for some stupid little moron to mess things up for the rest of the people using. It's the same on any chat site, like pal talk, eyeball chat, heck even neopets! As long as there are stupid ppl, there's always going to be something to mess a good thing. Heck, my second chat, I had some stupid little freak ask me what size ROOSTER (figure it out) I would like...oi...the humanity :shcoked:...why are stupid ppl not drowned at birth?
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cause then we'd have no one to laugh at and no one to send to check for landmines!
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Well, look at it as a balance.
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It's like good and evil. If you don't have evil, you have nothing to compare to to call things "good." If we don't have stupid people, we wouldn't have non-stupid people.
Besides, most people turn stupid much after birth, and by that time they know how to swim :P
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I agree IMVU isn't being overly smart about the whole thing. They have one guy caught by the police trying to chat up underage girls and IMVU runs around like Chicken Little yelling about how the sky is falling. Do the IMVU admins seriously think it's not going to happen again? How many guys have been nabbed by the cops on AIM, Yahoo! or MSN for doing the same thing? Regardless of how much protection IMVU puts in place it can and will happen again. Guaranteed.
So every time it happens in the future I guess we can expect the same knee-jerk response from IMVU.
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Wow when I read that I gotta pretty scared, Can you take off the age and state info? Although i'm pretty smart around the internet and barly even chat on imvu I just want to be safe
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I don't think you can hide it entirely, but you could always hide your "About Me" panel on your homepage. That would work. Then if you don't chat, you don't have to worry about it showing up on the online list either.
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well there are always ways of telling with IMVU even if you don't chat people can still find you by looking at others on your friends list the friends page pops up with the number of chats, your age, and your rank so no matter how you try to hide it unless you just don't use IMVU altogether there is no way to completely block it.
altho if perverts try hard enough they can get any info they want there is only one way to stop them and thats the cop method.
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Unless of course you put a different age and location on your profile...in other words LIE...Say your old and ugly and people tend to leave you alone...for the most part. :snicker:
???But the main thing that I question is the fact that these characters on IMVU are basically cartoons ...how could anyone find that erotic??? I'm sorry, but maybe I'm the freak for thinking like this...I personally find very little arousal from a half naked male avvie knowing full well that the kid behind it is still a snot nose lil brat looking to talk big...
arf IMVU is just an adult verison to playing with those paper dress up dolls from the 70's and 80's! (there I go aging myself again :yeah-yeah:)
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You can edit your information in your account page.
If you don't want people finding you in the search feature you can remove yourself from that as well.
how could anyone find that erotic?
The same way they find plain text erotic. That's why there are so many trashy romance novles out there.
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u know this world is just plain wrong some times... omg
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Thats why I try to ignore the world! It helps me with other things! :P
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yeah you could lie but lying is against IMVU's TOS and according to that they have the right to terminate your account and block your IP address. Kinda backwards huh, instead of blocking the sex offender block the jail bait.
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You can edit your information in your account page.
If you don't want people finding you in the search feature you can remove yourself from that as well.
how could anyone find that erotic?
The same way they find plain text erotic. That's why there are so many trashy romance novles out there.
And it's quite the same thing as hentai. People still find that... er... "interesting." :umm:
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You can edit your information in your account page.
If you don't want people finding you in the search feature you can remove yourself from that as well.
how could anyone find that erotic?
The same way they find plain text erotic. That's why there are so many trashy romance novles out there.
And it's quite the same thing as hentai. People still find that... er... "interesting."  :umm:
see the truth of the matter is that people in the real world have unreal fantasies about how they want there sex lives to be and couldn't possibly live up to it...actually thinking futher on this, it's just that some people are just sick in the head. Like them  grr *BEEP*SENSOR*BEEP* freaks who are into kiddy p*rn...their just wrong...mentally... >:|
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Yes, they are very psychologically twisted. The sick part? They actually believe it's good for the children. Yeah, I've had discussions with people who are/and support it. It's absolutely rediculous, it has never been okay, it will never be okay. Our society has really gotta stop this "whatever is right/true for you" B.S.. That's the most ignorant and thick headed thing you could say. People who murder, people who abuse children.. and especially the pedophile community say "it's right for me, I see nothing wrong with it, so accept it".
To quote something I read the other day: "The stupid ridicule right and wrong, but a moral life is favored."
To me, that means.. let's stop being "politically correct", stop saying that we have to accept what a person believes is true for them, even if it's harmful or destructive.. and just live moral lives. To heck with all of this tolerance-to-the-extreme, and I say let's just live moral lives. =s
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omg! A friend of mine irl who has a friend irl who has imvu talked to the guy! I told her about it seeing that she has imvu and she asked what his name is and then told me her friend talked to a guy with the same name. He asked her where she lived and she left, but to think that he was this close to geting my friend
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A friend of mine irl who has a friend irl who has imvu talked to the guy! I told her about it seeing that she has imvu and she asked what his name is and then told me her friend talked to a guy with the same name. He asked her where she lived and she left, but to think that he was this close to geting my friend
=s That's just freaky.
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Yes, they are very psychologically twisted. The sick part? They actually believe it's good for the children. Yeah, I've had discussions with people who are/and support it. It's absolutely rediculous, it has never been okay, it will never be okay. Our society has really gotta stop this "whatever is right/true for you" B.S.. That's the most ignorant and thick headed thing you could say. People who murder, people who abuse children.. and especially the pedophile community say "it's right for me, I see nothing wrong with it, so accept it".
To quote something I read the other day: "The stupid ridicule right and wrong, but a moral life is favored."
To me, that means.. let's stop being "politically correct", stop saying that we have to accept what a person believes is true for them, even if it's harmful or destructive.. and just live moral lives. To heck with all of this tolerance-to-the-extreme, and I say let's just live moral lives.  =s
I so agree with you there!!!!!
=s Many, many moons ago, while I was still a kitten in highschool...we had a class where we discussed such topics as pro life, death penalty, homosexuality etc. (you get the piccy) (I'm not bible thumping here...just read on) I brought up an issue with the bible, and said that God made the 10  commandments for a reason and that perhaps modern day people ought to take a second look at them. A girl in my class gave this rebutal..."the bible is only a book of morals and not needed for todays world". *what's wrong with morals?*
Well the truth is this,today, morals are no longer even close to what they use to be. I suggest to everyone that perhaps a second look at the 10 commandments might just enlighten them enough to a new perspective on living.
Examples.
Thou shalt not kill. ÂÂ
If you sturggle with this on a daily basis, then please  do us all a favour and check yourself into the physc ward ASAP.
for the "if it feels good do it crowd"
Thou shalt not covet they neighbours wife or possessions (paraphrased)
that in itself is pretty much self explanatory...
This world is in a feel good state. It needs to go back to a MORAL state.
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Many area parents have expressed sincere concern regarding the chat room as it enables children as young as 11 to create a three-dimensional character using different
Looks like 9News did not read the rules of IMVU.
You must be 13 to join IMVU.
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PurestSeraphim, your getting a bit off topic. *poke poke*
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not really off topic, carrying on where Bethany left off...just stating that ppl need more morals... O:) O:) O:) or brains...
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"They can direct and star in their own video. "
What'd I'd like to know is have parents actually been on this?
"Characters can also give different types of hugs and kisses."
Which most are not even usable unless your a buddy
"During a decoy operation, investigators allege a man approached an officer posing as an underage girl for sexual contact"
You know, the children can't really be sexually contact without a Access Pass right?
"it enables children as young as 11 to create"
You know, if it did that it'd be shut down because its breaking a law 13+ Kiddies only!
"Parents are also concerned because each character has the ability express different actions such as flirty, bashful or angry"
Oh my god! Bring out the pitchforks and and torches! Children can display moods! Come on, nothing bad unless the children have an access pass, which they can only get by credit card and lying bout their age, if they have an access pass, its obviously that the parents are bad for just handing their credit card away.
"IMVU says it has added other safety features that include terms of service that govern customer interactions, a way for people to report abusive or inappropriate behavior quickly, and it encourages users not to share personal information."
This is not going to stop anything, I assure you those kids are asking for online rape or else someone would actually use these!
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Anyone can buy the access pass. They just need the parents to say its ok... :umm:
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...Or rather, they need to steal their parents' credit card, have parents that don't care if they're strutting around on IMVU, or they need to trick their parents into thinking it's no big deal. :P
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...Or rather, they need to steal their parents' credit card, have parents that don't care if they're strutting around on IMVU, or they need to trick their parents into thinking it's no big deal.  :P
They must be really good tricksters (or the parents are really stupid to do such a thing to their own kids), 'cause again, you have to be 18 years old in order to get an access pass, and even by lying about age in IMVU won't even work 'cause if a concerned parent would happen to peer in this Access Pass, they would wonder why their kid, who is definitely NOT 18, would want to have this pass to get these erotic items.
Then there's stealing the parent's credit card. Suuure, they got it, but does the kid know the 4 digit password to get to the account and transfer the money into IMVU?
Only if the parent REALLY trusts the kid OR that kid would want to go to the local bank to the ATM just to know the 4 digit number... I doubt it so.
Kids these days... becoming perverts and thieves just to look "cool." How pathetic.
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...Or rather, they need to steal their parents' credit card, have parents that don't care if they're strutting around on IMVU, or they need to trick their parents into thinking it's no big deal. :P
I don't know about you but if I stole my moms credit card you'd never see me online anyways
the other two reasons you have is an example of bad parenting.
If parents are going to freak out they should actually take careful checks on what their children are doing!
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...Or rather, they need to steal their parents' credit card, have parents that don't care if they're strutting around on IMVU, or they need to trick their parents into thinking it's no big deal. :P
They must be really good tricksters (or the parents are really stupid to do such a thing to their own kids), 'cause again, you have to be 18 years old in order to get an access pass, and even by lying about age in IMVU won't even work 'cause if a concerned parent would happen to peer in this Access Pass, they would wonder why their kid, who is definitely NOT 18, would want to have this pass to get these erotic items.
Then there's stealing the parent's credit card. Suuure, they got it, but does the kid know the 4 digit password to get to the account and transfer the money into IMVU?
Only if the parent REALLY trusts the kid OR that kid would want to go to the local bank to the ATM just to know the 4 digit number... I doubt it so.
Kids these days... becoming perverts and thieves just to look "cool." How pathetic.
I agree, parents are going to see on their Bill 20$ for IMVU and ask what the hell they bought.
Also if they stole the credit card, chances are they are not going to know the digits.
And it is pathetic, since when is thievery cool? Wheres the line? Will my children think Murder is cool?
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arf I wasn't being that serious. That's what the :P was for. Yeah, of course, most parents wouldn't let their kids do anything like that. But you have to admit there are some younger kids who do get some of the more "mature" items on IMVU without their parents' knowledge of what they're really up to, and that there are some parents who don't care. I wasn't saying there are no parents who care or pay attention to these things.
And having to be 18, does IMVU really do anything to prove kids are really 18 ? There have been many occasions where I've seen people labeled as "16" or something and on their homepage say "I'm not 16, I'm really 13" or something like that. You would think the age requirement wouldn't be much of a deterrent for a kid who really wants to dress like they're "mature." :umm:
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...Or rather, they need to steal their parents' credit card, have parents that don't care if they're strutting around on IMVU, or they need to trick their parents into thinking it's no big deal. :P
I don't know about you but if I stole my moms credit card you'd never see me online anyways
the other two reasons you have is an example of bad parenting.
If parents are going to freak out they should actually take careful checks on what their children are doing!
the sad thing is there are a lot of "parents" out there who just don't give a flying fur ball what their kids are doing because the are to busy to be parents. i've noticed in the past 20 or so years since women have been spending more time at work and making careers there is less parenting in the home. (not saying women shouldn't work) but I think there should be some sort of government help for working families that allow for stay at home mom's or dads Canada & USA. ... we need people to look after their kids. because right now, it's not doing them kids a lick of good raising themselves.
Media is today's babysitter, and I'm sick and tired of Parents complaining about what their children are learning/doing because they can't take five minutes to look at what their kids are getting into
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"During a decoy operation, investigators allege a man approached an officer posing as an underage girl for sexual contact"
You know, the children can't really be sexually contact without a Access Pass right?
That probably meant that the guy tried to meet face to face for sexual activity.
And having to be 18, does IMVU really do anything to prove kids are really 18 ? There have been many occasions where I've seen people labeled as "16" or something and on their homepage say "I'm not 16, I'm really 13" or something like that. You would think the age requirement wouldn't be much of a deterrent for a kid who really wants to dress like they're "mature".
They rely on the user's testimony and agreement to the TOS. If the user is found in violation they are held responsible.
In this case the parents are held accountable. But since when have rules been a deterrent for immoral behaviour ?
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Hmm typical over reaction, alright I'm not saying that such things don't go on they do. it's just that it seems many chat programmes and genrally the internet is blamed for a great deal of these cases. No matter what system you have implace someone is going to abuse it and make problems for others.
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"During a decoy operation, investigators allege a man approached an officer posing as an underage girl for sexual contact"
Hmm just shows how diffent things are over here in the UK. That would never stand before a judge it would be thrown out faster than lighting. Officaly the UK police have to list it as entrapment.
It seems to me as open minded person it's the usual story of a company getting into 'problems' and resolving it with knee jerk reactions. In the long run this kind of thing of not thinking things throught, and having a quick reaction to problems like this are only going to do one thing Harm the users. I think IMVU and other chat companies need to think things out before running into the usual treadmill of a quick responce to be seen that they are doing something. I agree with PurestSeraphim on most of her remarks. The biggest problems today are that socity as a whole has no view of what should be happening. The things that seem to be missing are Morals and common sence...or maybe it's just me that thinks that. Parents I have ten words for you, be responcible for where you let your 'precious' child surf. It's not that hard to childlock your computer so they can't use IMVU. or does that take tro much effort on your part hmm?
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Many area parents have expressed sincere concern regarding the chat room as it enables children as young as 11 to create a three-dimensional character using different.
Hello...am I missing something here, maybe it might be an idea for IMVU to delete the account and ban the IP of anyone if they find out that an a 11year old kid is using the chat?
Looks like 9News did not read the rules of IMVU. You must be 13 to join IMVU. True MaxBeniot but you'll find most news services sooner not read the rules and just whip eveyone up into a frenzy. Kinda remind me of that scene in "Frankenstine' where the villagers get into a frothing fury and head up to the castle with torches and pitchforks. Makes for better news that way you know..... :(
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Not to whip a dead horse, but it doesn't take an Access Pass to 'TS' on any chat program. Just because someone can't do certain 3d actions doesn't mean they can't type out what they would like to do to another person/avatar.
Face it, children need to be protected. Unfortunately most parents are stupid, don't monitor / treat their children properly and should have their spawning licenses revoked. So does that mean because some kid's parents are stupid or ignorant we should let innocent children be hurt by sexual predators? No.
As much as I might fancifully favor people being allowed to 'Drawin' themselves to death, we can't just allow that to occur especially when it involves kids. Because one way or another if we do, it will affect us.
It is true that people need to take up more personal responsibily, but until they do the rest of us will have to take up the slack. If that means being a bit more proactive on tripping up sexual predators or being more severe on limitations then that's what we'll have to do.. As long as it is done yes, with common sense and a level hand.
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Hmm just shows how diffent things are over here in the UK. That would never stand before a judge it would be thrown out faster than lighting. Officaly the UK police have to list it as entrapment.
The article isn't really detailed on exactly what charges the man was brought up on and how he was caught. Having a chat isn't going to get you thrown in jail all by itself. We simply don't have the resources for that. The article implied something that the police do often.
They troll the waters of cyberspace (the shallow end) for people that shouldn't be there. They find who they are looking for when that person willingly violates the law and attempts to physically set his or her intentions into motion. It's not exactly entrapment. They carefully watch what they say to avoid that. That's why they said the man solicited the minor. It wasn't all about what he said. It was more about what he attempted to do.(and what he was doing at the time of arrest.)
But most importantly check the date of any article you find about IMVU. It's still in beta and goes through many changes.
You'd be surprised just how far it's come already. I'm not saying this article is old or anything. I've found several articles about IMVU
nearer to it's first release.
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Not to whip a dead horse, but it doesn't take an Access Pass to 'TS' on any chat program. Just because someone can't do certain 3d actions doesn't mean they can't type out what they would like to do to another person/avatar.
Face it, children need to be protected. Unfortunately most parents are stupid, don't monitor / treat their children properly and should have their spawning licenses revoked. So does that mean because some kid's parents are stupid or ignorant we should let innocent children be hurt by sexual predators? No.
As much as I might fancifully favor people being allowed to 'Drawin' themselves to death, we can't just allow that to occur especially when it involves kids. Because one way or another if we do, it will affect us.
It is true that people need to take up more personal responsibily, but until they do the rest of us will have to take up the slack. If that means being a bit more proactive on tripping up sexual predators or being more severe on limitations then that's what we'll have to do.. As long as it is done yes, with common sense and a level hand.
I totally understand what your saying Cybercat, it's just that 'decoy' operations have always been very close to breaking the law themseleves within the UK. Until the law is changed on these activies of the police they are kind of borderline. I guess it's always going to be on of thoes issues where such things maybe looked upon in a dim light by the law courts but seen as fair game by the mass public.
I know I was lucky to have good caring parents, my father would go balstic about some of the things I got up to as a kid. It's just a bit of a shame not everyone has the same moral out look on life. But I guess no matter how good or closely we watch our children such...people that 'troll' the net are going to happen. Yes it is the responsibily everyone to see this doesn't happen, I just don't think knee jerk reactions are going to help anyone.
I guess we can't expect a perfect world when you have idiots urinating in the genepool