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Creative Arts and Media => Creative Writing => Topic started by: Dessum on April 12, 2008, 04:44:37 PM
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A quick thing I decided to jot down.
I hope its OK to put it here.
It has a lot of tex format changes etc, but Im not gonna bother putting them all in
Orientations
(Nick/Fursona's name:) Dessum
A note from the author:
I am not a homophobe or biophobe (Hates gays, hates bisexuals). In fact I even support Gays. I dis-like all homophobes and biophobes. What I am writing are MY VIEWS. ALSO, I DO NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE WHO READS THIS.
Introduction:
So we all know Orientations. Gay, straight, Bisexual. The three main ones. There are a few others. Such as Pan sexual. But for now I'm just going to discuss the main three. Gay (Also called “Homosexualâ€ÂÂ) Is the attraction of the same sex. Straight, is the attraction of the opposite sex. And bisexual, is the attraction of both sexes. What I'm going to talk about mainly now, is the hatred of the non Straight orientations.
The writing:
Roughly, one if four persons are gay or Bisexual. Most people -I hope most people- just leave these people alone and get on with their lives. Some may even be good friends with them and be straight. But some people hate them or are scared of them. I asked a Homophobe why he hated gays. He replied, “Because it's wrong!â€ÂÂ
How is that wrong? I say this to all bio/homophobes out there. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING LIKE THIS.
It makes me SICK, the way humans can hate other humans just because of their orientations. EVERYONE is different! Everyone is unique! So, someone is attracted to the same sex as them; Accept it! What's wrong with it? Yes, if a homosexual rapes another of the same sex, that most likely makes them a bad person. But not all gays are like that. The same goes for bisexuals. Its how they feel! I continued interviewing this Homophobe, he told me that-if the chance arose- he would beat up a gay or bisexual. This disgusted and horrified me. Although I tried not to show it. As he very likely would and could do this. I asked why, and he replied it was to make them change to become straight. That made me feel slightly sick. Beating up someone isn't going to help! You think its going to make a gay/bisexual become straight? No! Its their life. Its how they feel. ACCEPT IT. If you cant stop hating them, just leave them alone! Its not that difficult! Yes, you can hate someone for their beliefs, like terrorist groups. But you cant hate someone for their orientations. There's nothing wrong with being gay or bisexual. Just live with it. Hating them isn't going to help anyone, including yourself. I have been shocked to find out that so many people feel this hatred about these people. Its like saying, “I hate black people because their black.â€ÂÂ
Its horrible. So. If your one of these people, please just think. Just think about all the reasons why you feel like that. Why its wrong. Why you hate them. Think about all of it.
Afterword:
I thought about reading this after a good friend told me he was a homophobe. I had know him since I was around the age of three. I asked how much. He said things just like this:
“All gays should dieâ€ÂÂ
“If all gays died, the world would be a better placeâ€ÂÂ
“If [my brother] was gay, he wouldn't be my brother†[ ] name left out
He now dislikes me because I told him my best friend is bisexual.
Which upsets me most.
That was what made me write this. I hope you can now see that hating people because of how they feel is wrong.
I hope that I might have even changed some minds.
Thanks for reading this.
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Just a thought, but I don't think as many people hate gays as much as people who simply do not understand or say stuff because of social situations.
As for not understanding, its hard to accept something you don't understand and might be considered out of the oridinary. Such as the furry fandom, there are tons of people who give us trouble because of our passion for anthros, be it just a social passion or even sexual attraction, its weird to people and they "hate" on it because of that.
As for social situations, its easier to go along with friends then to outright oppose them in fear of your own rejection if your friends/family have a thing against gays. Also gay has such a impact on regular everyday happenings in term of the use of the word. For example, a gamer dies in a multiplayer game, they might say "This is gay" While they might not be directly refering to sexual preferance (They are just saying it sucks really) The word is associated with something bad, so when others say the word they automatically assume something bad. While this might not seem like a good reason or a likely reason, its actually very valid. Such as a parent making a passive remark about blacks, over time the child might associate something bad about blacks subconsciously.
Personally I got nothing against Gay people I say whatever makes em happy, just like I want people to accept that anthro makes me happy
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Im not saying that everyones homophobeic. Im just saying it to make it clear for them.
And yes, I understand that Trolls hate the Furry fandom becuase they think its weird...whatever.
But in a way, orientations are more....SHOULD BE more easily accepted than Orientations.
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I was just saying, people who act hobophobic might not actually be by choice. They just kinda fall into it socially. After all these days its more socially acceptable to be a homophobe then it is to be openly gay. Which is a shame that a person be who they are sexually without criticism
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It's gotten better.
Back in the earlier part of the twentieth century, many countries sent you to prison for being gay.
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*Moans* I didnt know it was THAT bad!
But at least its over
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The gay community has had rough times but it`s getting better. Even though people are becoming more approving about the gay/bisexual people in the society it`s still annoying when people use the word gay or lesbian in a wrong way. I hear it sometimes to often and it really makes me angry. It shouldn`t be so hard to come out of the closet with whatever it is concerning, being gay, bisexual or furry. They shoudn`t be blamed for what they are but congratulated that they gathered the courage to tell it to others.
At least there is the gay pride festival which is being held in many countries in the summer, which makes it much easier for many gays, lesbians and bisexuals.(hopefully)
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However, pride festivals are not always that safe. There have been lynchings after festivals have ended and people are leaving them.
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I may end up spewing some nonsense stuff out my hole of a mouth here but listen for a minute or two. It takes a brave person to tell ANYONE if they are gay or bisexual. My mother for instance, does NOT like gays or bisexuals at all. I have tried time and again to explain to her how I feel and that I will nto change but she bristles and starts with her Christian teachings. (No offense meant to Christians or any other religions) I listen to her because she's my mother but she doesn't understand a person feels how they feel. After arguing with her for several months last year, I stopped trying to help her understand why I was attracted to males and females and ignored the bible she thrust in my face when someone brought it up.
You see, she's a Christian and believes what she believes. I am not a Chriatian, I don't know what religionn I am closest to. So I feel homosexuals and bisexuals are free to have an attraction to ehichever sex they choose. I am a bisexual and have been for the past year. My friends all know I'm bi, they don't really care. Most of the kids in school don't think I am only because the girls really aren't worth the time. I may be restating some of the things you guys have said previously but, I firmly agree that everyone is entitled to believe what they like, be attracted to whomever they are attracted to, and practice whichever religion they feel suits them. And the bull about homosexuality being a sin, is just that, bull%^&$. Not everyone is Christian so it's wrong, in a sense, to make everyone bend to fit your lifestyle. And if I'm rambling about nothing, I apologise.
That is where I stand and I'd be ready to prove my point anytime, anywhere. Thank you for taking the time to 'listen' to my spew of words I doubt will change your mind.
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*applauses sammie*
I feel sorry for you mother for being so closed minded. I think she really needs to go to a tolerance class or something.
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I am heterosexual(straight), I know one person who is lesbian and she seems really nice. I would NEVER judge a person by their orientation. I, like most people in my school, are tolerant of people who are gay or bisexual. I'm lucky to live somewhere orientation is not a problem. We even have a gay straight alliance at my school. I really have no idea why any one would want to beat someone up just because of who they are attracted to. If they are a nice person why does it matter right? That's why I can't understand why there are still people who are afraid of or want to harm gays and bisexuals. It's pointless right?
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I red a webcomic once and it had a killer ganna kill a homosexual man because the homosexual man tried to solicit him while they were in a food place. The homosexual man said "HATE CRIME HATE CRIME!" but the killer said "I'm not going to kill you for what you are, I'm going to kill you for who you are."
So not all homosexuals are good people. Remember that. Those few who are like that are just annoying.
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Yes. Thats all very well.
But most people just hate them becuase of who they are...
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Yes. Thats all very well.
But most people just hate them becuase of who they are...
Well just like any kind of person Gays have their bad people who pose a horrible representation of them as a whole. And its usually those people who are noticed before any of them. I think you know the kind I'm talking about, the stereotypical kind that talk kinda like the stereotypical black woman.
I've met a few cool gay people throughout my life that were perfectly normal. But every once in a while you meet this one that you wanna punch because hes oppressive to just about everybody in a mile radius. Its usually that guy who lingers in your mind, and people form bad opinions because of it.
People tend to remember the bad.
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Yes. Thats all very well.
But most people just hate them becuase of who they are...
Agreeable to an extent. Some just find the idea of what gays/bisexuals think about disgusting. My arguement is that gays find straight sex/relationships repulsive in their own so we can't really take offense with them until we step in their shoes, right?
Well just like any kind of person Gays have their bad people who pose a horrible representation of them as a whole. And its usually those people who are noticed before any of them. I think you know the kind I'm talking about, the stereotypical kind that talk kinda like the stereotypical black woman.
I've met a few cool gay people throughout my life that were perfectly normal. But every once in a while you meet this one that you wanna punch because hes oppressive to just about everybody in a mile radius. Its usually that guy who lingers in your mind, and people form bad opinions because of it.
People tend to remember the bad.
Well said. We do tend to remember the bad over the good and I wish it were otherwise but we are human. We make mistakes and we do stupid things. If I may, a lot of others treat me differently because of the fact that I'm a girl (which annoys me to no end) and I accept that I won't have the kind of friendship up here that I did with my guys down in Florida, but I won't accept that I have to be treated like an alien around the guys just because I don't act like a girl. That's just irritating and rude to me. (Rambling again, I know.)
*applauses sammie*
I feel sorry for you mother for being so closed minded. I think she really needs to go to a tolerance class or something.
I know. Her and my father both don't understand me. Sadly, they tell me it's wrong to love a woman because God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Which gets on my nerves but they're my parents, I can't really argue with them since they seem to have all the knowledge and I don't know a $%^& thing about bisexuality and homosexuality. (As if. They probably know less than I do. At least I listen when people try to explain things to me instead of bristling like a $%^& halloween cat all the time.) Sometimes she makes me feel like I'm HER mother and she's in that rebellious teenager state instead of the other way around.
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(Christian or not, try to read the basic meaning of what I'm saying here. I'm not trying to get into a discussion about religion.)
What I find interesting, regarding the issue about homosexualism being against the nature that God created, is that plenty of animals (i.e. God's creatures), including the Bonobo monkeys (our closest relatives according to DNA), engage in sexual activities with same-sex partners. Animals aren't capable of having morals the way humans are, so it's simply their instinctive nature. Why would they be created that way if homosexuality was wrong?
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Like what I'm saying. If it's wrong, why do other species do it? (Good reference by the way Zeph.)
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Woa.
Yeah, Im with Sam.
Very well Said WZ.
But I guess its becuase, when Aam and Eve the apple, they became under thier own decsion.
Thats why God gave the the choice. Obey the ruels or not. They didnt, so then they had a choice. Like all animals/humans do today
My Theory anyway
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My only advice for other homosexuals and/or bisexuals is this: NEVER forget who you are and listen to your heart. It's who knows you from the inside out and knows what you want even if you're unsure sometimes. Life can be creul but the heart always stays true, no matter what. --And that's all the wisdom I can share. I'm an idiot when it comes to most things. I'm only good at RPing, advice, reading, writing, and Science. :P
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My only advice for other homosexuals and/or bisexuals is this: NEVER forget who you are and listen to your heart. It's who knows you from the inside out and knows what you want even if you're unsure sometimes. Life can be creul but the heart always stays true, no matter what.  --And that's all the wisdom I can share. I'm an idiot when it comes to most things. I'm only good at RPing, advice, reading, writing, and Science. :P
Your totally correct.
I shuldknow since This has hat I have had to do
And at the same time, Iv had to wrap it up and keep it secret. But Iv managed to tella few people^^
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My only advice for other homosexuals and/or bisexuals is this: NEVER forget who you are and listen to your heart. It's who knows you from the inside out and knows what you want even if you're unsure sometimes. Life can be creul but the heart always stays true, no matter what. --And that's all the wisdom I can share. I'm an idiot when it comes to most things. I'm only good at RPing, advice, reading, writing, and Science. :P
Your totally correct.
I should know since This was what I have had to do
And at the same time, I've had to wrap it up and keep it secret. But I've managed to tell a few people^^
That's good. I hope the few you told haven't changed how they look at you just because of that. And if they have, they're not worth the time of day. :)
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No way have I changed :)
In fact, all the hatred etc was what inspired me to write this.
There all a bunch of ******. I hate the for it.
If hear it, I walk away and am gratefull Im not like them.
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Good. You should be glad not everyone is like the stereotypical !@##$%^&# you hear about. They get on my nerves. Why can't they accept that everyone lives how they live and believe what they believe?
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Exactly! That just what I say to the homophobes at my school!
Its rediculous! I just cant see why they cant accept people who are different...
It makes me sick and very upset at the same time...
I just hate it
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Besides, most homophobes are idiots to begin with. Afraid of homos, pfft!
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Exactly! What's there to be afraid of? I mean yeah, there might be the Jehovah's witnesses of gaydom riding from american town to american town, destroying families by [Self-censored] each other on porches like in that Lewis Black joke, but I doubt it.
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Some say "Ill beat em' up" etc.
Some WONT;Its a load of hot air.
Some actually WILL.
Thats what Im a little scared of, but mostly just digusted.
Its not as if they're gonna change the persons orientation.
Dave, your gay aren't you? Has anything like this ever happened to you?
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It's gotten better.
Back in the earlier part of the twentieth century, many countries sent you to prison for being gay.
thats nothing either, im not sure if i remember it correct, but i think Dante from "Dante's Divine Comedy" send people to the second circle of hell for being homosexual i think..
personally i dont care about people's orientations (and yes, im straight) , HECK ive got a friend thats a vorephile, but i dont care, its not like having a different sexual preference makes you a different person
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Some say "Ill beat em' up" etc.
Some WONT;Its a load of hot air.
Some actually WILL.
Thats what Im a little scared of, but mostly just digusted.
Its not as if they're gonna change the persons orientation.
Dave, your gay aren't you? Has anything like this ever happened to you?
Yeah, but 99% of the people at my school are just talk. They could probably beat me up if they felt like it, but they don't. And the 1% that would doesn't seem to care too much about me one way or the other.
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Lucky you. But I guess its easier for you since your 17...
Im only 13... :sniffle:
I just keep my head down
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True, but I'm a pretty scrawny 17, and the last time I got into an actual fight was around half a decade ago, which is really astounding considering I run on a pretty short fuse. But hey, just hang in there. Sooner or later things'll fall into place.
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Thanks.
Iv already managed to tell 3 people.
So I feel kindda good about that.
I guess Ill just have to wait a while.
How did you tell everyone? Or was it obvious in some way?
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For me, it was kind of I had to tell a few people and it didn't seem like a big deal so I'm pretty happy. Though some of my boyfriends haven't figured it out. xD I cannot see how thay don't know, it's pretty obvious to me. lol.
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I've only told about a half-dozen or so of my friends, and this was pretty recently. You really ought to feel good about telling ANYONE at your age (God, I sound so old...). When I was thirteen, I never could have done that.
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I've only told about a half-dozen or so of my friends, and this was pretty recently. You really ought to feel good about telling ANYONE at your age (God, I sound so old...). When I was thirteen, I never could have done that.
(you do.) You should have. I moved up here and showed everyone I don't take anything form anyone. When I was in sixth grade, (about three years ago) I had to stand up for myself more than I'd had to in Florida.
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EDIT: Fine I won't way a word.
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Be proud of who you are, because that is all you ever will be.
Forget the ignorance of the many and concentrate on the love and kinship of those you embrace.
Live life as you see fit and love every minute, so when the end is near and you look back, you can look back with pride of who are.
So says the All-Knowing Raptor. (harmless sarcasm) I happen to dislike myself as a whole but parts of me I love. Lol. Like my eyes and maybe my personality, that's it. :P
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I've only told about a half-dozen or so of my friends, and this was pretty recently. You really ought to feel good about telling ANYONE at your age (God, I sound so old...). When I was thirteen, I never could have done that.
Oh. Well, thanks for that. We were just talking about orientations really, and I asked, "What would you think i I was gay or bi?"
She replied she wouldnt mind, shed think it was pretty call. So (Becuase I was kinda despearte to tell SOMEONE in my likfe) I got her number and texted her, telling her.
So now I feel a lot better, bhecuase got that leaded me on to telling 2 other people afte her.
But I think it MIGHT have been esier for me. Since Im bi, or I texted not tell...
I dunno But thankd for the advice.
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EDIT: Fine I won't way a word.
Awe, Dis, I was kidding with you. Jeez, take a joke, eh? (sorry. didn't mean to make you feel bad or anything)
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EDIT: Fine I won't way a word.
Awe, Dis, I was kidding with you. Jeez, take a joke, eh? (sorry. didn't mean to make you feel bad or anything)
Its not your fault, it was mine. I was in a weird mood that day. Very depressed, one of those "Going to die alone and no matter what I do nobody accepts me for who I am" kinda days.
Anyways as what I wrote said basically, just be happy being yourself. No point worrying about it because in the end it won't matter. Sure it sounds cliche but it really is true. In high school I used to care what people thought about me but I see it doesnt matter now.
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Wow, you live a rough life.
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I believe that everyone's orientation is there own and there is nothing for others to get worked up about. With a few exceptions (Those who are inclined towards animals and/or inanimate objects), I'm happy for anyone who can/has found love in some way, shape or form.
I'm technically "straight" as I kinda find females somewhat attractive, but I am not attracted to anyone or anything enough to really have a true orientation, I guess. (But I have it easy compared to what many have to put up with, so you all have my sympathy.)
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I believe that everyone's orientation is there own and there is nothing for others to get worked up about. With a few exceptions (Those who are inclined towards animals and/or inanimate objects), I'm happy for anyone who can/has found love in some way, shape or form.
I'm technically "straight" as I kinda find females somewhat attractive, but I am not attracted to anyone or anything enough to really have a true orientation, I guess. (But I have it easy compared to what many have to put up with, so you all have my sympathy.)
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It gets easier the longer you've been one way or another. Besides, I'm kind of in between gay and bi. I like boys mostly but I'm also attracted to girls...It gets really confusing sometimes. But I stick with one for a while and if that don't work, I try the other. :P
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Sexuality can be a very hard thing to talk about with your friends, because you don't know how they are going to react.
I have had a major problem with that, because you never know what happens when/if you tell. I was wondering what the... I was doing when I told my friend that I'm in love him. God that was hard... Fortunately he didn't make a fuss about it, but I'm really glad that i got to tell him, because it is like a really heavy bolder that's removed from your chest when you do it.
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Sexuality can be a very hard thing to talk about with your friends, because you don't know how they are going to react.
I have had a major problem with that, because you never know what happens when/if you tell. I was wondering what the... I was doing when I told my friend that I'm in love him. God that was hard... Fortunately he didn't make a fuss about it, but I'm really glad that i got to tell him, because it is like a really heavy bolder that's removed from your chest when you do it.
Quite agreeable Vince. When I told my best friend I liked her, we decided to keep it a secret from her parents and mine so we could still spend the night at each other's houses. It's been better between us since I told her. Now I don't feel like someone's thrown my heart in a blender and put it on shred to a pulp. :P
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wow.
Your friend took it pretty well then?
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Yes, and I'm glad that he did. Of course it came as a shock to him, but he understood that I didn't want anyone else knowing for now.
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Out of pure curiosity, was anyone aware of/involved in the day of silence? And Vince, good luck with your friend.
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Day of silence? When was that?
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Thanks Dave, really appreciate it. :)
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Yea, good luck Vince. You're gonna need it honey.
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Thanks. It's really great to find people who support you and listen to what you have to say, because life can be hard and you can't just keep everything to yourself.
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Day of silence? When was that?
Yesterday
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How did I miss that?! Good grace, i need to get out more. o.o
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Yes, and I'm glad that he did. Of course it came as a shock to him, but he understood that I didn't want anyone else knowing for now.
Uh... Sorry Vince.
But I was talking to Broken~Hearted|Sam.
No offence or anything.
But I understand about the feelings etc. Iv been through that too.
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wow.
Your friend took it pretty well then?
Yes, she's been my best friend since I moved up here three or four years ago. We're inseparable. xD Lol. And she's been like my sister forever too so she doesn't care. She loves me as her sister and that's all. I'm glad it doesn't ruin our closeness though. I had thought it would when I was ready to tell her so I held it off. I'll see if I can find a pic of us two together. We look so adorable! xD
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As for the actual piece of writing, I have to wholeheartedly agree with your points. Such things sicken me. Everybody gets into a fit when something sexist or racist occurs yet such hatred for others based on their orientation is not seen as wrong? It saddens me at how much "gay" is used as an insult, even by my friends.
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It's annoying and I tend to have a short fuse. My limits don't include repeated insults at someone for being different. Sexist jokes, racist jokes, orientation jokes, etc. tick me off to the point where someone's head goes through a wall. The only people who can mess with me like that are friends/family. Even then, I limit it.
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wow...
Yesterday I told my WHOLE year Im bi.
98% took it surprisingly well!
Dang, the bell for school just went so Ill be brief.
I get a little hassle, most is just joking, some is insulting.
But almost everyone's OK with it.
Which is kindda miraculous...
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wow...
Yesterday I told my WHOLE year I'm bi.
98% took it surprisingly well!
Dang, the bell for school just went so Ill be brief.
I get a little hassle, most is just joking, some is insulting.
But almost everyone's OK with it.
Which is kinda miraculous...
Most people are more understanding than others. That and they don't mind mostly as long as you don't start coming onto them.
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*Shrugs* I guess.
SOme people did say it was a bit weird though...
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wow...
Yesterday I told my WHOLE year Im bi.
98% took it surprisingly well!
Dang, the bell for school just went so Ill be brief.
I get a little hassle, most is just joking, some is insulting.
But almost everyone's OK with it.
Which is kindda miraculous...
Woah, you're brave. I wouldn't be able do something like that, mostly because it would leave me almost friendless and probably get me beat up a lot. Understanding people are a dying species at my school.
I'm glad that so many took it well.