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Title: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Furnatic on January 12, 2008, 11:11:00 PM: Anti-fur trolls? I know you've heard of em', seen em', even dealt with em.

My question is, how have you dealt with them if you have?

What I do is not bide into their little game of 'I hate you'. Honestly, I see it as adding fuel to the fire. Much like the furry discrimination in the world. I've been refused service at one place here before because the owner heard I was a fur. Simply put, I responded with a few tactics of my own. No one on my boat has eaten their since, after I explained to everyone what happened. Most of the guys on my boat don't understand the fandom, but they at least respect it. Besides, they're stuck with me three months at a time, so they had to grow used to me.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Goblin Cat 😸 on January 12, 2008, 11:52:55 PM: I simply ignore them... If they want to be stupid, I'm not going to stop them. They're just proving themselves as idiots to the world.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Bubba Lynn on January 13, 2008, 12:29:04 AM: You has a boat?! Oooh! I hope it is not a shrimp boat.

Some people don't like the shrimp but I don't pay them any mind.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Pibi on January 13, 2008, 01:58:21 AM: Simple. I flood them with my super-ultra-double-kick foul language. Really strong words... really... to break their fingers and will. Ignorance will not help. They are kids and every calm, shy person is an easy prey. So I mess with them what makes me feel much better ;]
Like little cookie in the end of the day, priceless ;d
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: FoxyMcCloud on January 13, 2008, 02:03:24 AM: Usually, I get the ones that feel as if hate can be explained with 'txt tlk', so I usually bombard them with 'large words' and logic. :snicker:
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: [D.E.M] zetsumei on January 13, 2008, 02:07:59 AM: i havent really dealt with anti-fur trolls, but then again, im a therian, not a fur... but i have seen them, they always bring out yiff and fursuits, and they are often pretty redneck in their comments, i dont have anything to do with it though, so i stay out of the flamewars
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Jean-Claude on January 13, 2008, 05:07:46 AM: Trolls do what they do to get a reaction out of you. I just ignore or ban them. When they don't get anything out of you they get bored quickly.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: ephemral on January 13, 2008, 05:32:28 AM: I've responded a few different ways.
I've talked back to them.
I've even given into them and ranted back.
I've ignored them.
I've blocked them.
I've reported them.
I've banned them.

I've yet to report them for abuse to their ISP though.
I've not gotten their IP address and used it to control their computer remotely.
I've not posted under their journal user name with embarrassing information.
I've not visited them in real life.

I have changed user names and settings before banning.
http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1591 :snicker:
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: JFPulse on January 13, 2008, 06:17:44 AM: I tend to respond to them with calm intelligent conversation. I call into questioning their beliefs and especially their reasoning behind their beliefs. Large words, proper grammar, and a composed demeanor generally has one of two effects on the troll. Either they will become frustrated and leave, or they will respond likewise and differences can be settled. I once met an anti-fur troll who later converted into a neko after I used this method on her.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: WingedZephyr on January 13, 2008, 06:21:26 AM: Quote from: ephemral on January 13, 2008, 05:32:28 AM

I have changed user names and settings before banning.
http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1591 Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â :snicker:

You're bad. :P

I tend to just ignore anti-furs.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: DaiRraito IS, FurryLAE. on January 13, 2008, 07:13:28 AM: I just curse at them and use large words.. XD
THAT'S the American way. :snicker:
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Smitty the Airship Pirate on January 13, 2008, 07:30:57 AM: Nice one Eph! *high fives*

Either I tend to ignore them or give them facts about the fandom. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â I give them information explaining how it is no different from liking and going as far dressing up like someone or something from their favorite anime, series or movie. ( ex. Star Wars, Star Trek ) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â It is just people who love animals and or wish to be them.

That and they tend to be morons with nothing better to do but complain.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Vosur Aekira on January 13, 2008, 05:57:58 PM: Let's see... before becoming a moderator, I reported them in the appropriate manner, have gotten insight (from the anti-fur trolls by talking with them in one-on-one sessions) on what they do and how they manipulate people, have researched the basics of their methods, and have come across tactics to prevent those individuals from getting anything from me.

In a nutshell, look in the Forum Rules!! (A must read)>Hate Sites, password protection, and insight into Social Engineering for tips on what goes on inside the mind of someone with malicious intent to troll/socially engineer individuals in forums.

But if you want a straight-up answer for these people: Report them if they are breaking the rules and ignore them after you have reported them. Do not become emotionally engaged to respond to them. If they do contact you through means other than forums, do not reply to them.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Octavia on January 15, 2008, 05:49:43 AM: some instances I've seen their opening line as "WTF? You're an animal??" at that point I just leave or make some crude comment on how humans are destroying the planet...

I just play along with them for a short while sometimes...then I'll leave...

or some people that use "txt tlk" I'll "txt tlk" them back then out of no where I'll talk like a normal person..also people who talk like gangsters in chats and such I can't understand a freaking word...~rents 50-cent's gangster dictionary~ <.<

but yea I f i can't understand what they're saying I leave same as if they're anti-fur. <--85% of youtube <.<
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: iKero-chu™ on January 15, 2008, 01:27:58 PM: Neh, I just ignore it and go on my way.

Teh Hoo-mans wouldnt understand and just responding back to them makes them even more confident to continue the negativity :P
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Mr. Meerkat on January 21, 2008, 10:30:30 AM: As i will say "United we stand"
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Rhakshi on January 22, 2008, 02:41:50 AM: make fun of the humies o.o and then laugh.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: [D.E.M] zetsumei on January 22, 2008, 06:53:58 AM: if humies is refering to humans, i dont get it... you are a human too, so how are you going to make fun of em?
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Pibi on January 22, 2008, 01:03:04 PM: Now that was direct hit >_<
Ur pitiless xD
I think that 'humies' meant those who are blind and can't live without flaming each other, destroying earth and causing conflicts. All humanity is cursed so it's nothing wrong in reject roots ;P
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: [D.E.M] zetsumei on January 22, 2008, 03:50:08 PM: ah, so he he meant the rotten part of human civilisation? tell me about em... lucky that most havent found out therian yet :P
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: DaiRraito IS, FurryLAE. on January 25, 2008, 12:53:39 AM: RHAKSHI!!
Don't slaughter the English language please! XD
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Amaroq on January 25, 2008, 05:22:22 AM: I think that they don't simply do it to get a reaction out of who they pick on. They do it because they want to feel superior, and to do that they have to make their target look like they're as low as dirt in comparison to themselves.

When someone reacts to them, it isn't the fact that they're reacting that makes the troll feel like what they're doing is working. It's how the person reacts. People, us furries included, tend to get defensive when someone trolls us about our beliefs. Even if we believe there's nothing wrong with being furry, we know that society thinks there's something wrong with it and therefore we feel we have to defend ourselves when someone trolls us.

Now, when someone gets defensive against a troll, the defendant immediately begins to look like the lower out of the two. If there was nothing wrong with being furry, the defendant would have no reason to defend themselves.

Another problem is that the people who do take an offensive stance often do it weakly. It's usually "well you're doing something wrong too", which is still defensive. "Well, you're ruining the earth." for example. Not only do they get to pick on you for being a furry, they get to pick on you for siding with the scaredy-cat environmentalists as well. Not that I think there's anything wrong with being environmentalist. It's just that environmentalists often fight back weakly and defensively just like many furries do. Either way, wording your retort like that puts you in a defensive position.

And even if you do take a strong offensive position on them, perhaps hurling insults at them, the most you're going to get on them is equality. You won't be a subordinate to pick on anymore. You'll be a challenge that they won't be able to step down from if their pride has anything to say about it. You're probably still going to look lower than them because you're reacting to them, which means that you must be lower than them if they can bother you.

The trick to this is to become their superior. You have to speak to them in such a way that you make them feel like they're the lower one. You have to speak to them as if you seriously don't care about them. Speak calmly. Don't lose your cool. Speak your insults to them indirectly, in an implied manner so they come to the conclusion that they're being insulted rather than you making it clear to them. You don't have to directly insult them because if you're better than them, they can't bother you, and therefore they don't merit the attention for an insult.

If you become the one who doesn't care about them and they continue to insult you, it's because they've been placed in the position where they're having to start looking up at you when they talk to you. They don't like that, and it bothers the hell out of them that they can't bring you down to their level. Put them in the defensive position for the win. They might not stop attempting to bring you down, but that way you are the winner and they feel like the loser.

Maybe it's because I'm a nerd (and proud of it). Maybe it's because I'm a Wolf. Maybe it's both. But I've spent a lot of time thinking about things like this from time to time. Considering why people act and react the way they do and putting it in the perspective of dominance and submissiveness. I think that in order to win against these kinds of people, you can't look up at them and defend yourself from their onslaught. You have to be able to at least pretend to look down your nose at them so that they are the ones who feel bad instead of you.

EDIT: Coming to that conclusion is one thing. Practicing it is something entirely different. Haha.
I can force myself to do it that way online if I need to. But I'm too shy and easily intimidated IRL to ever stand up to a troll in person like that.

ANOTHER EDIT:
A good example.
Troll: You ***********
You: Whatever, loser.

It's a bit direct, but it's still nice in that you're not only dismissing them as a loser, but you're dismissing them! You're not even putting forth the effort to explain to them why they're a loser. You're just shooing them away. Shooing them away not only implies that they're not important enough to maintain your attention, but it makes them seethe with self-doubt that you think yourself far enough above them to be able to dismiss them so easily.

LAST EDIT, I SWEAR:
When you really think about it, the troll is already lower than yourself for going out of their way to try to insult you in the first place. As long as you don't let them get the upper hand, the win is yours.

Partial censorship is not allowed.
Ephemral
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Pibi on January 25, 2008, 02:49:23 PM: Quote
The trick to this is to become their superior. You have to speak to them in such a way that you make them feel like they're the lower one. You have to speak to them as if you seriously don't care about them. Speak calmly. Don't lose your cool. Speak your insults to them indirectly, in an implied manner so they come to the conclusion that they're being insulted rather than you making it clear to them. You don't have to directly insult them because if you're better than them, they can't bother you, and therefore they don't merit the attention for an insult.

Duh? No invective? No foul language? Drive in some IQ to their childish minds with their own weapon without losing your cool ;d

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lucky that most havent found out therian yet

Or maybe they found out but don't care bout it cuz it's not physical aspect but spiritual ;p
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: [D.E.M] zetsumei on January 25, 2008, 04:50:28 PM: Quote

Or maybe they found out but don't care bout it cuz it's not physical aspect but spiritual ;p

sure, its spiritual, but furry is also spiritual to some extent, its not your body telling you to pull on that suit, is it? but its only for the better if they dont care about it :P
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: ephemral on January 25, 2008, 09:53:49 PM: Your example, Amaroq, is a poor response to a troll.
By hurling an insult whether implied or not is an instant defeat.
In that case you are lowering yourself even lower than them.
If you want superiority you don't respond.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: DaiRraito IS, FurryLAE. on January 26, 2008, 03:35:37 AM: Yes, Eph's got a point...
Most trolls get P'd off if you don't respomd tp them.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Amaroq on January 26, 2008, 04:09:28 AM: Yeah, not responding is better. Hehe, then they feel ignored and you don't sink to their level and respond.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Hraesvelgn on January 30, 2008, 07:50:08 PM: I used to be the kind who would basically use lots and lots of sarcasm to try and 'out-insult' the troller, which I'm now fairly ashamed of as it makes me look almost as pathetic as the one who kicked the argument off. If you find the kind of person who just seems to be asking for a flame war, the best thing you can do is just simply ignore them. Why should we try and explain our way of thinking to those who won't listen? My way of dealing with them now is, in the words of the legendary Dylan Moran, 'I'd go away, and thing about what I WOULD have done to them - if they'd been tied up!'
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Xegras on January 30, 2008, 10:31:07 PM: If you go to any of there websites you will notice one thing in common. They do it for the "lulz" so no "lulz" no fun for them. If you respond in anyway they get what they want. Whenever i get flamed either jokingly or seriously i go along with them and let them do it without responding or just agreeing with them. Which confuses them when you don't get mad and of course a confused troll is not having fun so they stop.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: [D.E.M] zetsumei on January 30, 2008, 10:32:19 PM: Quote from: Sarge on January 30, 2008, 10:31:07 PM

If you go to any of there websites you will notice one thing in common. They do it for the "lulz" so no "lulz" no fun for them. If you respond in anyway they get what they want. Whenever i get flamed either jokingly or seriously i go along with them and let them do it without responding or just agreeing with them. Which confuses them when you don't get mad and of course a confused troll is not having fun so they stop.

isnt lulz that 'anonymous' thing? those guys that take the internet way, way, way to serious?
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Blackout on January 30, 2008, 10:33:22 PM: In all my years of fighting one thing I've learned is not to do what the enemy expects you to, therefore the next time I see a troll I will recite Wikipedia's article on Nitrogen.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Xegras on January 31, 2008, 01:49:03 AM: Quote from: machinimamaster on January 30, 2008, 10:32:19 PM

isnt lulz that 'anonymous' thing? those guys that take the internet way, way, way to serious?

Lulz, lol, and lawl are all the same thing. These guys do it to get a reaction, no reaction equals no fun. This is true for all trolls whether they be anonymous or not.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Smitty the Airship Pirate on January 31, 2008, 02:56:19 AM: I had another experience with trolls just recently on IMVU, I was in a oublic room when plenty of trolls come in and do their thing with annoying just act like you cannot see their bubbles or see them, they will likely lose their cause and just leave.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Soryu/Miayuki Isumi on February 02, 2008, 06:59:55 AM: Hmm depends on the sitiuation if its on a site I do not care for I flip them off so to speak and be on my merry way. Only time they get to me is if its on a site I use quite often then I tend to snap for example when my friend had invited me to post on his forums as a mod I had a sig featuring a furry and I was instantly called a "ff" sure you know what I am reffering to but anyways the point is I left that site for good so yeah I ignore them.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Thaddeus Q. Wolfe on February 15, 2008, 09:19:09 PM: Quote from: Ryuuzaki on January 13, 2008, 07:13:28 AM

I just curse at them and use large words.. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â XD
THAT'S the American way. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â :snicker:

the american way would be to invade their home town and blow it up, like we did with iraq, afghanastan, germany (ww2), japan (ww2), korea (korean war, duh), and any other country we've wared with. *ducks out of sight* :peek: i just say "bye-bye u hater" and send them a virus.
Title: Re: So just how have you dealt with...
Post by: Raj_C_Wolf on February 25, 2008, 02:49:02 AM: Well honestly I've only have had one person actually say anti fur things to me and that was a commet on my YouTube page. Personally I just laughed and rolled my eyes. It was the first comment someone left on my page so to I was kinda of happy to have someone at least take the time to notice me.

To be serious though I have don't waste my time with them. If they choose to be curse me out because I am Fur I'll let them. I have been critized for worst in my life and lived with people verabally abusing me. I have learned to roll with and laugh. Especially when they are making themselves look like ".******".