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Title: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 02, 2016, 10:08:46 PM
Everyone has ideas. So I thought it would be nice to have a place specifically about them. Here you can share your ideas and get opinions from others and have them share their own ideas. This thread is for free thinking, so nothing is off limits.

However:

I will NOT have people insulting one another because of what they believe. And I will report you personally if I believe that is happening.

So let's get started shall we? I'll go first:

So you know how houses with security systems have a sign that says "this house is secured by----" Well what if someone took that sign and put it in front of their house? He wouldn't be hurting the other one because they HAVE a security system. And he'd be helping himself because he DOESN'T have the system. So what's the harm? Other than stealing of course, but what's he stealing? Not the system, just the sign that came with it.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 03, 2016, 08:33:44 PM
You know something else I just came up with? They have these teeth cleaning treats for dogs, and I wonder why they don't have those for people. It sounds pretty easy.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 03, 2016, 10:04:11 PM
That's a nice thought Michen. I think people have bucket lists to make sure they don't waste their lives. But life doesn't work that way. Instead you should just enjoy each and every moment you have.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 03, 2016, 10:23:27 PM
That is true... life sucks sometimes...
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: YourUnknownHost on May 04, 2016, 03:36:09 AM
How is it people don't go crazy? Many people have the ability to kill other people but yet they don't? Almost everyone has the ability to commit genocide (frisk ;3<) I personally don't want to kill people if it was legal i would live with the life long guilt of a life wasted. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: anoni on May 04, 2016, 08:19:23 AM
In my opinion an objective truth about our universe can never be provable and thus it is irrelevant.

  Consider this, we have an observer inside the universe O that is subject to the laws of the universe, which we will deem as a bias B. For any question X asked in the universe, in order for O to answer X, O must answer subject to the constraint of his bias in B, thus whether or not O's answer to X is true cannot be shown unless the bias B is unconstrained, or many such O exist such that all bias B are considered (in which it can be derived the answer to X). In our universe the bias B is a continuous set, it includes things such as location, informational bias, sensory bias, processing bias and for living sentient creatures things such as psychological bias and social bias, each bias is itself continuous and thus can contain an infinite amount of values, or at the very list a number of values so large that the laws of the universe actually prohibit any sensible quantity of things to occupy all different bias combinations. Because of this we say that the latter option (occupying all possible bias to answer any question X) is impossible. We also say that because we are contained within our universe, any question that is asked of us that describes our universe will inevitably, and certainly, exhibit a bias based on the universal laws. So thus we say the former (have B unconstrained) must also be impossible so long as we remain in our own universe.

  SO thus, no answers can be truly known with certainty about anything. Lets talk about a few counter examples that most people like to come up with.

  The first counter example is this, if nothing can be proven to be true, how can you prove that the statement "nothing is true" is true? The answer is you can't, my proof underlies an important assumption impossible to prove. The assumption that any bias B will augment an answer to any question X such that the answer to X after constrained by the bias B is different from the original answer of X. Whether this is true is unknown and I feel it is impossible to prove because in order to prove it, one requires knowing the original answer of X, which we've shown at least within this post is impossible. It creates a cyclic argument, which is expected from Godel's Incompleteness theorem which states that no complete model of the universe can ever be consistent and vice versa. Therefore, it is actually impossible to prove whether it's impossible to prove stuff! So possibly this theory is wrong but whether or not it is, is forever out of our grasp.

  The second counter example is that of mathematical proofs. I have been very specific to say that it is impossible to prove any truth of our universe as we are constrained by the bias's of our universe. However, we create a brand new universe when we talk about mathematics, a universe with constraints and biases that do not apply to us, because they do not apply to us we don't follow the same rhetoric as in the case of a question about our universe. Basically in a nutshell, we invented mathematics with a series of rigorous assumptions, given that we are outside observers to mathematics and we have defined these assumptions (axioms) rigorously, then we can in fact prove with certainty mathematical truths about the mathematical world, while still never being able to prove with certainty truths of our own word.


So tl;dr:
  We can't prove any truths of our universe, we can't even prove that we can't prove stuff.

 
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 04, 2016, 10:36:29 AM
Here's something to think about.

What would happen if Pinocchio said "my nose will grow now"? Would he be lying? If it grew then he would be telling the truth. If not he'd get away with telling a lie.

My theory is that if he said that, he would explode.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Dax Declan on May 04, 2016, 01:26:15 PM
I've done the math and we spend (roughly) two straight years in primary school. Then with four years of college that's gonna add roughly another half year. After all this time I have barely retained most of this info. I'm not saying we don't need school but I mean this is a bit much.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: YourUnknownHost on May 05, 2016, 02:20:59 AM
Here's something to think about.

What would happen if Pinocchio said "my nose will grow now"? Would he be lying? If it grew then he would be telling the truth. If not he'd get away with telling a lie.

My theory is that if he said that, he would explode.
Actually it would not do anything because paradoxes have no true answer.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 05, 2016, 11:07:07 AM
So he'd get away with lying then? That makes sense. And it's a lot less messy than an explosion.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: anoni on May 05, 2016, 11:37:28 AM
Well I always considered pinocchio was considered like a lie detector. Like it doesn't actually tell you whether pinocchio is TELLING the truth, it says whether pinocchio was telling what he believed was the truth. Like, pinocchio can make a mistake and his nose won't grow as long as he believed it was true.

So in this case, pinocchio states that "My nose will grow", if he believes his nose will truly grow, then it would still cause a paradox. Cause it doesn't matter if the paradox has an inherent truth in it, it matters if pinocchio believes his noes will grow.

I'm willing to err on the side that his nose would in fact grow, because if he didn't believe his nose would actually grow, then it'd grow. And if he does believe his nose will grow, then it won't necessarily grow but I would say in order to avoid a paradox and to keep pinocchio from lying, the nose would still grow. That's just my little fix to the solution haha.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 05, 2016, 06:51:39 PM
Well I guess that settles it then. Anoni is definitely one of the smartest furs here. You know they say that being smart actually makes you dumber... I don't fully understand it but that's what they say...
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: YourUnknownHost on May 05, 2016, 09:57:36 PM
*pours gasoline all over pinocchio* there
"So this statement is a lie"
"Ok ill take your word for it" :)
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 07, 2016, 05:53:35 PM
Baking soda is weird: it's practically soap, we use it to clean everything. And we still use it to bake on occasion. Pretty weird, but also kinda cool.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Farewell on May 07, 2016, 06:07:04 PM
We are the only animals that pay to live on this planet... Pretty pathetic.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: ZalTheRaccoon on May 07, 2016, 08:36:43 PM
We are the only animals that pay to live on this planet... Pretty pathetic.
Just think about how sad of a species the human race is, we give value to pieces of paper and then fight over it.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 08, 2016, 12:50:08 AM
I just don't understand... is life just nothing but work? I look around at my own family and I see that they rarely get free days, and even when they do they just spend it working on something else. Once I told myself "that's not going to be me." But today I realized that I don't really have a choice. Life is work, hard work. There's always something that needs to be done. I'm graduating, and I once thought that would mean I'm done. Done with school, done with work, but it's not that simple folks. Today I learned that the work never ends, today I became an adult. I'm finished with rushing through my chores to have "free time". Instead i'm just going to do what I have to do whenever I have to do it. Because responsibility is more important than free time. But maybe... maybe the fun doesn't have to end. Maybe there's a way to make it work so there's balance.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Salakar Crocoli on May 10, 2016, 04:19:49 AM
Here is something to think about. Some definitions of "life" include reproduction in them. So, by some definitions, people who are sterile are not alive. What are your thoughts on this?

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Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Armalite_ on May 10, 2016, 08:44:41 AM
Here is something to think about. Some definitions of "life" include reproduction in them. So, by some definitions, people who are sterile are not alive. What are your thoughts on this?

That is what we call a fallacy.

The definition of life is an abstract meaning for the existence of biological creatures. The definition of alive is a medical term for "having life."

The concept of life is human made just like time. There is only, on a physical level, existance. If you exist with the presence of natural energy within your brain, you are concious and therefore "alive." Otherwise, you do not exist or are inanimate. This could be argued with the emergence of artificial intelligence, but there is no natural energy present, leaving robots medically defined as inamimate beings despite the presence of concious information processing.

People who are infertile aren't what we call dead. Just unable to reproduce. All men and women in their senior years eventually become infertile, it doesn't mean they're medically dead because someone's definition of life as a more broader term has a prerequistion of fertility.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 10, 2016, 11:00:13 AM
Life is much more than being fertile and infertile anyway. Life is all about... living.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: ZalTheRaccoon on May 10, 2016, 11:42:53 AM
What if the entire universe is a lie and this is all just a dream within our own consciousness
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 10, 2016, 03:05:19 PM
If that's true then this is a pretty nice dream. I've made so many friends. I wouldn't wake up for anything.  ;)
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Armalite_ on May 10, 2016, 07:31:54 PM
If your shirt isn't tucked into your pants, then your pants are tucked into your shirt :O
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Dubaku on May 12, 2016, 08:55:48 PM
What if Kevin Hart was at every Trump Rally, reminding Trump and his supporters to "sit the f-ck down"
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 12, 2016, 09:06:07 PM
Maybe that would work. He should try it sometime.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Dubaku on May 12, 2016, 09:28:05 PM
What if the world ran out of Coco Butter? Oh, god, I can see it, The Ashening
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 12, 2016, 10:00:47 PM
I've never had Coco butter, but I want to try it so save little bit for me world!
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: DestinyUnleashed on May 14, 2016, 04:01:48 PM
I was talking to my step mom the other day about the reality of our situation. It really sucks. I get VERY emotional about it.


Even though by the time we actually do have to move out of the house I will be living solely on my own, I just can’t imagine it.
I cannot picture someone else living in MY home. MY farm.


I see my Dad everywhere in that house. It's a hard concept to grasp that you no longer have an income for a family.
A family of 5 kids, 3 of which still need to go to college.


I wouldn’t be living at home…but its still my home. Its still my horses’ home.
It’s were my Meli, Peanut, Santa Fe, and Yamaha are buried.


Then there is the issue of my personal finances. How am I going to make enough money to stabilize two horses? Destiny is already for sale. I can’t get rid of Kiss or Buck. Its just unreal for me to think about. I know people will help me along the way, but I can’t always expect them to.


Sometimes I think maybe I could only afford one horse. I’d have to keep Buck over Kiss. I love my Kissy pants…but Buck is my Dad’s horse.
 I just can’t let go of that.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 14, 2016, 04:52:55 PM
They say that "things get worse before they get better." And Destiny, it looks like you have been through some horrible stuff. So I believe it's about time for things to get better for you. Just remember that I'm here for you. We all are.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: DestinyUnleashed on May 14, 2016, 09:21:20 PM
Things are getting better, but it just feels like every step forward sends me one or two steps back.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 14, 2016, 10:27:43 PM
I do believe that the things we go through make is who we are. Even though i'm only 18, I still look at my life. My mistakes, the things that have happened, what could be different. But if I had to do it all over, I wouldn't change a thing.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 15, 2016, 06:49:21 PM
I've been thinking about entertainment and it's many forms. One thing in particular about it is escapism. Escapism is everywhere in our lives. But i'm not saying it's a bad thing. We all want to escape from our lives every once in a while. But I've been thinking... what if there were another way? What if there was a way to entertain ourselves without escapism?
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Panda on May 15, 2016, 10:05:33 PM
I've been thinking about entertainment and it's many forms. One thing in particular about it is escapism. Escapism is everywhere in our lives. But i'm not saying it's a bad thing. We all want to escape from our lives every once in a while. But I've been thinking... what if there were another way? What if there were a way to entertain ourselves without escapism?

Now that you mention it, that's kinda what art is for me. Entertainment, but not escapism. I've never necessarily felt like drawing was a way for me to "escape"--put other things aside for a bit maybe, but usually it just allows me to process things in a non-destructive way. Processing my parent's divorce, for example, is easier when I'm also doing something else, as opposed to me doing nothing but sitting and dwelling on everything. Art becomes an automatic process (in a good way) and allows me to think & not feel like I have to reach a solution or escape anything else. I'm just unwinding. As for the entertainment aspect, I love doing art, so <3
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 15, 2016, 10:11:09 PM
That's good. Good for you Panda. :)
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: anoni on May 16, 2016, 11:06:28 AM
I find that the difference between a successful man is not what he does when he succeeds, but what he does when he fails.

  I hear a lot of people all the time talk about their wants and dreams, and just as many will come up with some reason why they cannot be. They'll usually blame something else, like a coworker, a friend, an enemy, their personality, their past, or just society in general. Something will stand in their way that is out of their control and their first thought is that, as it is out of my control there must be nothing I can do about it. But that is one of the most, in my opinion, untrue and dangerous propositions one can tell themselves.

  A problem should always be seen as an obstacle, not a dead end, even if the obstacle is yourself. Regardless of what is causing the situation, you need to assess three things.
  1. Can the source of the obstacle be removed, and if so how hard would it be to do that?
  2. Can the obstacle be worked around, and if so how hard would it be to do that?
  3. Can I do something else, and if so how hard would it be to do that?

  The answer to any of these should never be "No", you should never entirely disregard an option, even if you can't think of it right away. You need to think about it, you need to start thinking about options that aren't necessarily the BEST option, that is you may find that you can circumnavigate the obstacle, but in order to do so you have to sacrifice something, whether it be time or money or pleasure or something. These solutions shouldn't be ruled out, instead you should figure out what you have to sacrifice and whether sacrificing that is worth circumnavigating the obstacle. But you should think of all solutions, I can tell you with absolute confidence almost NO problem in the world will have the answer as "No" for one or two. And absolutely no problem in the word will have "No" as all three. If you find yourself seeing no solution for 1 and 2, it's more than likely you haven't thought about it long enough or in a constructive enough way, and you should go back to the drawing board and think about all your options. If you see no solution for all three, then it is certain you've not thought hard enough or constructive enough.

  Life is a series of challenges and what makes a man successful is what he does when he is faced with adversity, what he does when something goes wrong, you should never see it as a dead end, it's a challenge, it's an obstacle and it's almost certainly one you can overcome.

  Another thing is people are obsessed with rules and they feel that if the rules of a system tell them they can't do something, then they can't do it. For example, say you wanted to enroll in a course in university but you didn't have the marks for that course. A lot of people give up and don't pursue further, but you shouldn't do this! All that's happened is that probability of you getting into the course is no longer 100%, it's now not certain if you'll get into the course, but it's definitely not impossible! You need to talk to the people who make that decision, those people are people, there is a chance that they will let you into the course if you make a good enough argument as to why you should get in. Don't just read what's on the paper, think about how you can attack your obstacle, even if it goes outside of the rules on the document. There is one exception, the law is the only document you should stay within, attack your obstacle without breaking the law, but you may be able to break other rules like the course example.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on May 22, 2016, 06:10:08 PM
That's very inspirational Anoni. I'm glad that you're enjoying this thread. :)
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: SapiensUrsus on May 24, 2016, 02:46:44 AM
Anoni...If I may inject pessimism into the concoction....

Most people will never have the drive or legitimate desire to move obstacles, even if such movement would require but a little bit of self-reflection and effort. They will, rather, learn to live with the obstacles and settle for contentedness rather than achievement or fulfillment. Most humans are by their nature, lazy. And most are followers, of both leaders and rules. Because it is the easy way. Humans have had a historical tendency to seek a life of ease.

But the ones who make this ease possible is not the masses that desire it, ironically. It is the avant garde and the iconoclast, both of whom are willing to face adversity and turmoil to push the envelope a little farther, to tear apart the fabric of society for all to see, that in the end create the invention or social program or way of life that gives the followers the ease they desire.

I would never disagree, Anoni. I will never disagree with you. I think what you said should be taken as inspiration for all. But I merely suggest that it will not, not by most anyway. If I had a thesis, it would be that most people will never heed your wisdom, or any wisdom for that matter, but a few will , and they will move mountains.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Styxx Von Doom on May 27, 2016, 05:33:28 AM
In short if the mathematical models and equations are correct, we will have an 80% failure rate at these obstacles, the sad part about it is a lot of what we know and will learn come from the exemplary 20%

When it comes to teachings about ones own will we have to condition our selves in a daily basis. Take bushido for example. From the book hagakure, it states that one must always be training in any discipline at any given moment, these samurai were on to something. You may say they were obsessed with death, but what most would fail to realize is something like that helps with the fear of failure and forces you to push on knowing that death, or failure will lurk around any and every given corner.


When it comes to schooling and the American teaching system I have to say that the information that is given is out dated, simplified and there are groups of teachers who will even cheat to make their pupils pass, which is ludicrous. But alas we are living in a world that is getting dumber and dumber every day that goes by, for the love of everything, bring back PE, music and why not even do a religious belief class, I went to school in Norway and will say I have learned about a lot more then one religion. I'm saying this as a discussion about Greek mythology almost got me kicked into detention. As the teacher would not accept the true deference. Between a satyr and a minotaur. Even after given many different proofs I still got yelled at, things like this will damage the tutelage of today's youth so much more. Any thoughts or opinions on this matter are more then welcome
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Rob_Silvermyst on May 27, 2016, 07:00:13 AM
All of this just makes me think of one of Iroh's sayings, one that seems to ring true a lot and has helped me through some tough times.

Sometimes life is like this dark tunnel. You can't always see the light at the end of the tunnel, but if you just keep moving, you will come to a better place.

Every problem we face in life, no matter how insurmountable or how painful they may be, are temporary. They are only permanent problems if we allow them to be. It takes a calm mind, a moment to reflect, and glance at the good things in life. 

In the darkest times, hope is something you give yourself.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: anoni on June 08, 2016, 10:05:06 AM
When it comes to schooling and the American teaching system I have to say that the information that is given is out dated, simplified and there are groups of teachers who will even cheat to make their pupils pass, which is ludicrous. But alas we are living in a world that is getting dumber and dumber every day that goes by, for the love of everything, bring back PE, music and why not even do a religious belief class, I went to school in Norway and will say I have learned about a lot more then one religion. I'm saying this as a discussion about Greek mythology almost got me kicked into detention. As the teacher would not accept the true deference. Between a satyr and a minotaur. Even after given many different proofs I still got yelled at, things like this will damage the tutelage of today's youth so much more. Any thoughts or opinions on this matter are more then welcome

  This is a common misconception, the belief that the world is getting less smart, when indeed we're actually getting more intelligent every year. IQ tests have to be constantly adjusted, constantly made more difficult in order for an IQ of 100 to be the mean IQ of society. But this is also what I'm talking about, it's the handing of responsibility to something else. It's "I am not as intelligent as I could be because of this school system, because this system has interfered with me". But truth be told, absolutely nothing is stopping you from pursuing your studies further than just school. You can learn whatever you want to, there are thousands of free and easy resources to use for you to learn non-dated and more advanced studies, if you so chose to do that. We're just led to believe, "hey, school is the place you learn things", an in a way it is, but school is for only the most basic of learning, it is there to make you a functioning member of society and that's about it, it's not there to go further and it's not there to fulfill your potential, you're the one who has to do that. It would be nice to have a school system that was more updated and catered to more diverse studies, and by all means this is something you should push for changing, but know that the school system doesn't have to limit you, it's you who limit yourself in believing that the school system must be your primary source of knowledge.

 
Anoni...If I may inject pessimism into the concoction....

Most people will never have the drive or legitimate desire to move obstacles, even if such movement would require but a little bit of self-reflection and effort. They will, rather, learn to live with the obstacles and settle for contentedness rather than achievement or fulfillment. Most humans are by their nature, lazy. And most are followers, of both leaders and rules. Because it is the easy way. Humans have had a historical tendency to seek a life of ease.

But the ones who make this ease possible is not the masses that desire it, ironically. It is the avant garde and the iconoclast, both of whom are willing to face adversity and turmoil to push the envelope a little farther, to tear apart the fabric of society for all to see, that in the end create the invention or social program or way of life that gives the followers the ease they desire.

I would never disagree, Anoni. I will never disagree with you. I think what you said should be taken as inspiration for all. But I merely suggest that it will not, not by most anyway. If I had a thesis, it would be that most people will never heed your wisdom, or any wisdom for that matter, but a few will , and they will move mountains.

And this is absolutely true, though I wouldn't necessarily say is a bad thing. Some people simply have different values and priorities in life, which is totally fine and valid. Someones priority might not to be super successful, it might simply be to be humble and relaxed and not stressed. And if this is that persons priority there's no real harm in it. But it's helpful to remind them, I think, that the priority they chose is entirely on them. And that if they complain about not having a different life, it was more often than not, their own priorities that caused their life to manifest itself in the first place. If they are happy, then nothing needs to be done, only those unhappy and looking for change should heed the advice I give.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on June 08, 2016, 03:20:05 PM
Hello Anoni :3
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Kara on June 09, 2016, 04:23:24 AM

how does catdog poop?
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Salakar Crocoli on June 09, 2016, 04:45:34 AM
What has this thread turned into? We think about the mechanisms by which a cartoon character poops? That is a valid question though.

I think that there would have to be some sort of joining point for their stomachs. So, maybe on their stomach, instead of having a belly button, they have an anus. This topic is making me uncomfortable, so I will leave my thoughts at that.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Ryouko on June 09, 2016, 01:58:09 PM
I wonder what goes through people's heads when they see me with my ears and collar on.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on June 09, 2016, 03:47:34 PM
Hopefully they think, "cute puppy" but I doubt that. I bet most don't even notice unless they choose to make some sort of comment. Either to you, their friends, or themselves.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Ryouko on June 09, 2016, 04:19:30 PM
I get a lot of smiles, high-fives, and even a couple of kids wanting to feel my ears or tail, but more people just giving me questionable stares.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on June 09, 2016, 04:22:05 PM
You can't let them get to you. You know what you're doing, and you know that most people don't understand. But you understand, and that's all that matters. Do what makes you happy. :3
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Salakar Crocoli on June 12, 2016, 05:23:08 PM
Have you eber been in a super serious conversation, then someone slips on their words and that brings an image to your head that makes you die with laughter?
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on June 12, 2016, 05:24:32 PM
No, but that sounds funny. :3
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Salakar Crocoli on June 12, 2016, 05:39:11 PM
Back to furlosophy. What do you think of the afterlife/death? Do you think there is something?

I personally think that there isn't, but I think that the most believable afterlife is reincarnation. I think that there is no point to souls if you jave to make a new soul everytime someone is born. It would make more sense to reincarnate people and recycle souls. Maybe something else that could happen is that your personality is just part of a soul, and that is extracted and put in an afterlife while the "core" (the part that makes something alive) of the soul is returned to develop a new personality, which would severely cut down on time spent making souls.

I like to think that it is possible to have something after death to make myself less afraid of it, but I think that death is probably the ultimate end. Another thing that doesn't add up is God. It isn't enough to just believe in him, you have to worship him every week to get into his special club. And I don't understand why so many Christians/Catholics think that there can be no morals without a supreme being. I am not an atheist or Cristian, or Catholic.

I am not trying to attack anyone's religion here, I am simply stating the thungs I believe about the world, and things that don't make sense to me. If you have an explanation for these things, then I am all ears.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on June 12, 2016, 05:48:42 PM
I believe in god. I don't read the bible or go to church every Sunday but I still believe in god, I know that he loves everyone and because of his love we all experience the peace of afterlife. Now what the afterlife actually is, I don't know, no one knows for sure. But I have faith that it exists, and that's all you need. This is what I believe, and I don't think I'm right or anything. It's just what I believe.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Salakar Crocoli on June 13, 2016, 05:39:05 AM
Many things that are required for our survival seem too convenient unless there is a multiverse or god set up our universe. Speaking of the multiverse, it is kind of fun to think about. Each universe has natural laws tuat are slightly, or not so slightly, off from the ones next to it. Imagine trying to move from one to the other. Any space ship we could make would probably just fold up like a tin can when it crossed that border. Or, maybe it is not so sudden and the people flying the spaceship would be able to notice and turn around before they died.

Now imagine what those other universes look like. The shapes of the planets, the stars, and even the galaxies woupd look completely different from here. Like if pi was 3.16 like the Egyptions thought. What kind of circles would that make? What if gravity worked different? What if? That is all I can ask. There are so many possibilities in a multiverse, but we can only sit here on our tiny rock and think "What if". I want to be able to see these things, but it will most likely not be possible in my lifetime, or in anyone's lifetime.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on June 13, 2016, 05:14:50 PM
That's what I love the most about the multiverse. Just think of something, anything, and there's a 100% chance that that thing exists somewhere.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Salakar Crocoli on June 23, 2016, 06:01:23 AM
I'm kind of disappointed that this thread hasn't been responded to again, so I'm gonna give it a quick revive with: How crazy should crazy be? What level of mental disorder should a person need to reach to be put in an asylum/mental rehabilitation center? Where should the law draw the line between sanity and insanity? How many ways do I have to phrase this before I am satisfied that I got my message across? Infinite.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on June 26, 2016, 02:32:19 AM
The way I see it is that great ideas don't come around as often as you think.

Now about the mental illnesses thing: When someone acts in a way that presents a potential danger to themselves or others, that is when action needs to be taken. You can do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone or anything. Now the people who ARE mentally ill in that fashion shouldn't be locked up like a prisoner. Instead they should just be placed in an environment where they are safe.

If the world was perfect, that's how I see us handling mental illnesses. But unfortunately that just isn't true...
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: SapiensUrsus on June 29, 2016, 06:40:09 PM
Sorry to bring up something from two weeks ago, but I feel I have something legitimately unique to add on the death subject. 'Cause I'm morbid, I guess. As I've grown up, I've become fully aware of my utterly strange relationship with mortality, and, as is usual for me, I'll disseminate my opinion in a jumbled mess.


I've run a gamut of emotions with death; I used to be DEATH-ly afraid of it.  T_T Lately I've transitioned from complete fear to complete acceptance, because I don't slowly shift, I go all in or don't go at all, for some odd reason.


 In short: I don't believe in souls, or an afterlife, or reincarnation,Though reincarnation is a wonderful concept. I want to actually be a bear) the reason being I see no particular evidence for any of them. The tricky part of that is they're all unfalsifiable hypotheses.
So from my point of view: Death is the end of our being. But I see no reason to fear it. Death isn't goos, it isn't bad, it just is.
While it is the end of being, death doesn't necessarily destroy everything. Hell, people still know the name of Khufu just 'cause he built a giant tomb 4500 years ago. I think in a way we always live in, be it through our descendants or our works.


Edit: I made typos. Now they're gone, maybe.

 


Post Merge: June 29, 2016, 06:44:21 PM
Crazy should be allow to be as crazy as it wants, until it hurts someone else against their consent.


Or hurts an animal. Because they can't give proper consent.


If someone wants to go thinking that they're George III, King of Great Britain. Fine. You go do that, George.
If someone wants to make a painting out of their blood and scream about how they're a living god. Fine.


Just so long as they don't physically hurt anyone. 
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on June 29, 2016, 08:34:44 PM
That's a good way to look at things Sapiens. Immortality is achieved by being remembered. I don't mean doing something big and wonderful, although that does work. A good way to be remembered is to do good in the world, even the tiniest deed is remembered and appreciated.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Styxx Von Doom on June 29, 2016, 09:38:42 PM
But as time passes your memory will fade, just like stone Mountains will become tiny specks of sand, everything is finite. Call it a negative way of thinking. But it is simply put an absolute truth.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Cecilia Peromi on June 29, 2016, 09:54:50 PM
That's why it's good to help people out of your own will. In the end it doesn't really matter, but you'll feel good, and tiny things can cause big changes.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Salakar Crocoli on July 07, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
Relationships are kind of... weird. For example: you go up to some random person, ask them if they will accept an arbitrary label that attaches them to you and BAM, you're dating. It kind of doesn't make sense to me, but it's something that everyone just accepts as part of life.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Grovygrunge on July 12, 2016, 10:32:46 PM
Random people? I don't think that's how romantic relationships work. First you go from acquaintances, to friends, then to partners. Dating some person you've never met just seems like a recipe for disaster to me.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: anoni on July 14, 2016, 12:29:40 PM
My view on relationships is it's entirely based on compatibility between you and your partner, that sounds obvious but it does reflect certain consequences here.

So if relationship is entirely based on compatibility, than someone could indeed go into a relationship straight away without going through friends and so forth as Grovy says, and they may still have a very happy and healthy relationship. As long as the two people are compatible, the relationship will work.

However, figuring out whether someone is compatible or not is quite tricky! Most people act differently in public than they do in private, so when you meet someone first off, you may only think their public side is compatible, while their private more secretive side may not be. As well, you and your partner will change over time, which means that if you were compatible at one stage you may not be compatible at a different stage, this is why it's very rare for a relationship to go on and remain healthy and exciting for a long time (while most relationships last a long time, not all of those are happy and healthy).

  So going through the friend to partner stage is generally a safer way to get a long-lasting relationship, but there are still chances that the relationship can fail cause you may change, and meeting someone randomly generally won't work out as often because you don't know of someones compatibility, but it can still work out if you're lucky. There's a whole slew of other things that need to be taken into account including how desperate someone is and other internal biases.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: Salakar Crocoli on July 25, 2016, 05:27:38 AM
Random people? I don't think that's how romantic relationships work. First you go from acquaintances, to friends, then to partners. Dating some person you've never met just seems like a recipe for disaster to me.

Maybe I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean just a random person off the street. I meant more like a random person that you already know and possibly already have a friendship with. I meant pseudo-random rayher than pure random.

Anoni, I donbt think that two people can ever be completely compatible, and I don't believe two people can ever truely understand each other. I do believe that they can comprehend each other and use their very little understanding to try to make themselves more compatible.

I've been thinking a bit while writing this and something is actually starting to scare me. I don't understand how I think. I can produce sounds using my mouth and I can move my limbs, but I can't tell you what thought, image, or words go through my head to cause it to happen. Obviously, when I talk, I think about what I am going to say, but other than that I just don't get it.

And so, I have a question for you. Can you tell me how you think? Can you remember what goes through your head whrn you move? I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight because of this.

Please excuse any typos. I'm typing this on mobile.
Title: Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
Post by: YourUnknownHost on July 25, 2016, 06:48:39 AM
You're getting a bit existential. We perceive things, our brain tries to do stuff to fit that situation whether good or bad . We don't tell us to move our arm our brain is and i'm not sure if that means if we have no free will or not. But whatever it is free will or not i love what i'm in right now and i'm actually pretty happy.