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Title: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Counterpeir on January 09, 2016, 03:29:30 AM
The dream of many(not all) furs out there, Semi or Full transformation. This is a posting to share ideas about how it could be done scientifically. Also debating the philosophical,ethical and social repercussions of this if it is actually done. I personally would welcome such a process and get it myself. Would you :?
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: anoni on January 09, 2016, 03:46:11 AM
Easiest way would be to simulate a furry self within a virtual environment, such as Virtual reality.
Harder way would to physically clone a "furry body" that is compatible, implant brain into new organic or synthetic furry body.
Hardest way would be to modify your own body to be a furry body.

Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Eesha on January 09, 2016, 09:20:51 AM
About the harder and the hardest, it demand great technological progress, creating or modifying a body is hard, we don't fully understand genetic structure and genes. We know how it work, but not how to create new one or modify them (well, yes we actually can, but just a few, not enough for a new body with brand new genetic). So let's suppose we will  modify our actual body, because this one already have functionning organs and muscles, it's a nice start, don't you think ?  :P


So yeah, it could be done, but how much would it cost at first ? Probably hundreds of millions dollars, that a bit expensive  :S


But let's say we have mastered this technique and now it cost "only" about 10,000 $ (still a bit expensive but it's better). Some Furrys would have it, and would be able to test this new body. Well a modification like that is not easy to handle, our brain will be lost, if you use digitigrade legs, the walking will be different so you may need reeducation. Then, if you have a new nose and a new pair of ears, capable to hear and smell better, your brain may not be able to process thoses information (I'm not sure though, I'm not a neuro physician). Okay, so you may need reeducation, and some time to be used to the new sensations.


Then, once you're out of all this, you understand the main problem : people.
You are different from other people, they will fear you because you're not the same, they don't understand what or who you are, so they will be most likely to hate you. Most of the people will treat you like they did with the black population about 200 years ago, you're not like them, and difference is not something people like.


After that come the second problem : pretty much everything is not ergonomic for you.
Maybe you won't be able to drive or pilot anything with that kind of legs, pants are not made for you if you have a tail (and many of us would have one), and my most feared problem : How the hell I am supposed to use my headphones  >:(
And since people don't like you, manufacturer will probably not produce anything for you, so you will live with that problem for a long time.


Until you launch a revolution and slice some heads off (not the kind of the community I must say), you will alway have thoses problems. >.>








Beside all that, that would be awesome  :3
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 09, 2016, 09:00:17 PM
personally i have only learnt about basic genetic modification E.G. cloning and changing bacteria by changing the plasmid DNA to produce human insulin for people with diabetes and though my knowledge in the field of genetic modification is far lees than what it is in the fields of physics i still think i have a rough idea on the possibility of taking on a task such as this i personally think that in the future it would theoretically be possible though it is far beyond our current capabilities as we have only just developed a way of making a human egg that can be made of the genetic material of 3 people and still be fertilized (sorry i forgot the correct name for this) so in my opinion in the future it may be possible but not for a long time


i suppose a way of figuring out how to do it quicker would be to get a D wave computer to go through algorithms to find out the most logical way of doing it and even if you find a way of doing it through that then you would still have to do a lot of research done it that would still take many years as nothing like this would of ever been done before so lots of research would need to be done before a person would be willing to try and have it done to them or their child


also if it was going to be doe genetically it would most likely need to be done to a baby or a embryo to be more specific as that way all the cells would have the correct genetic information to do what they would need to do as a lot cell mutations would be required to do such a thing




also sorry if its hard to read or their is bad spelling i am dyslexic so please excuse me
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: anoni on January 10, 2016, 01:57:49 AM
Actually, thinking about it, it might just be easier to do cosmetic surgery on a person so they appear anthro. I feel like that's something that could be achievable within this century.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 10, 2016, 08:55:18 PM
Actually, thinking about it, it might just be easier to do cosmetic surgery on a person so they appear anthro. I feel like that's something that could be achievable within this century.


yeah it probably could be done like that though it would have to be done in bits e.g. legs wait a month the next part wait a month the next part, i think this because their would be too much blood loss and risk of infection if it was done all in one
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: anoni on January 10, 2016, 09:10:05 PM
Probably, but even today people have done very similar things

Though the results are... well, I would say not ideal

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-I8mkI9rBXn8/UacUxunRbAI/AAAAAAAAAhg/OUwU3aGQz78/s1600/catman-before-after.jpg)
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 10, 2016, 09:11:11 PM
yeah i kinda know what you mean its not the best
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: ST-84 Sahelanthropus on January 10, 2016, 09:33:48 PM
Nanomachines, son.

Uugh, I'll probably make a more serious contribution to this discussion later. Just wanted to put that there, as I believe that's the key to achieving the trans-Humanist furry dream.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 10, 2016, 09:50:23 PM
Nanomachines, son.

Uugh, I'll probably make a more serious contribution to this discussion later. Just wanted to put that there, as I believe that's the key to achieving the trans-Humanist furry dream.


you know a man has predicted that in 25 years well now 24 nano technology will of advanced so much that we will be able to make robots that are in the blood stream that repair cells basically making you e mortal how cool is that this guy isnt a weird guy that dosent know what he is on about he actually has made a lot of big predictions with good accuracy
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: ST-84 Sahelanthropus on January 10, 2016, 09:54:32 PM
Uhh, Nostradamus?
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 10, 2016, 09:56:20 PM
dont know the guys name all i know is he has a good reputation and this prediction
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: xephoran on January 11, 2016, 03:38:57 AM
That's an interesting prediction. I've also heard one where nano bots become self replicating and suffocate all life.  :P

On a more related note... I feel like gene modification would be the process used. We've made alot of breakthroughs with both stem cells and CRISPR/Cas-9. We're still a long ways off though.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: drakewithout on January 11, 2016, 02:59:35 PM
a biodesined symbiotic life form that acted as a second skin and restructured dna, (much like a virus dose, but in stead of self replicating it would just insert new code) much like a second skin, it wold have to be liked to your metabolism to start with, and there are morality issue.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 11, 2016, 04:28:32 PM
a biodesined symbiotic life form that acted as a second skin and restructured dna, (much like a virus dose, but in stead of self replicating it would just insert new code) much like a second skin, it wold have to be liked to your metabolism to start with, and there are morality issue.


actually that would be a good way of doing it however the virus would need to mutate nearly every cell and it would have to be able to change the skeletal structure to achieve its full goal so it would need to create new bones which would be an issue


you are right their will be a lot of moral issues but at the end of the day it is down to the person
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: drakewithout on January 11, 2016, 04:31:47 PM
a biodesined symbiotic life form that acted as a second skin and restructured dna, (much like a virus dose, but in stead of self replicating it would just insert new code) much like a second skin, it wold have to be liked to your metabolism to start with, and there are morality issue.


actually that would be a good way of doing it however the virus would need to mutate nearly every cell and it would have to be able to change the skeletal structure to achieve its full goal so it would need to create new bones which would be an issue


you are right their will be a lot of moral issues but at the end of the day it is down to the person

skeletal alteration would be best done by causeing the virus to secret a calcium leaching compound, then aplyng pressure to break and regrow certain structures,

its the senses that i think would pose the greatest challenge, as canines alone devote a third of their brains to smell
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 11, 2016, 04:44:29 PM
a biodesined symbiotic life form that acted as a second skin and restructured dna, (much like a virus dose, but in stead of self replicating it would just insert new code) much like a second skin, it wold have to be liked to your metabolism to start with, and there are morality issue.


actually that would be a good way of doing it however the virus would need to mutate nearly every cell and it would have to be able to change the skeletal structure to achieve its full goal so it would need to create new bones which would be an issue


you are right their will be a lot of moral issues but at the end of the day it is down to the person

skeletal alteration would be best done by causeing the virus to secret a calcium leaching compound, then aplyng pressure to break and regrow certain structures,

its the senses that i think would pose the greatest challenge, as canines alone devote a third of their brains to smell


you could keep the scenes the same as we wont need to enhance them you would just need to elongate the nose in some cases to create a snout and also the process for feeling is well understood so if you keep the central nervous system the same and create the tail not as an elongation of it but as a joint to it kind of like fingers you could create feeling in their the eyes might be quite difficult it you really want them to change as changing the colour of the iris would be relatively difficult and also youd have to keep them the same shape otherwise the focal point of the lense will eather far too far back for the retina creating a distorted image or too short for the retina to see a clear image this can be fixed with glasses of contact lenses however this would just be inconvenient as each one would need to be tailor made for each person due to abnormal sizes
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: drakewithout on January 11, 2016, 04:46:12 PM
i think it would be more prcatical to amputate and replace the limbs, that should be possible in most cases
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 11, 2016, 04:50:38 PM
that could be possible but what yove gotta remember is that the limbs would have to be lab grown and we have made a lab grown burger and to keep that healthy it cost £250,000 and thats just one small burger just the mat without neurons or muscle or any of that so it would be a case of only the super rich could have it done
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: drakewithout on January 11, 2016, 05:01:10 PM
i meant mechanical limbs, with  faou fur and silicon covering
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 11, 2016, 05:07:59 PM
actually that isnt a bad idea because you could use a materiel called graphene witch is 1 atom thick to put a coating over the silicone skin making at a lot stronger and we could wire it up as it is conductive so the person could have feeling which people are actually working on doing with real mechanical limbs so its not that far fetched that
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: drakewithout on January 11, 2016, 05:10:55 PM
maybe some hard core facial reconstruction for the face bit
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 11, 2016, 05:14:40 PM
and a skin graft for the chest providing no infections occur i cant think of a problem
obviously this would require[size=78%] some of the best engineers to work on it but yeah [/size]
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Eesha on January 11, 2016, 05:32:13 PM
I hope you all are billionaires, because it will not just an arm  >.>


That's some hardcores solution but yeah, it might work in a near future, maybe 10 years.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 11, 2016, 10:11:25 PM
yeah but still we whir not given a budget but it is possible for it to happen in our lifetime


so yeah it is possible to answer the question but moral is down to personal opinion
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: xephoran on January 12, 2016, 03:07:43 AM
i think it would be more prcatical to amputate and replace the limbs, that should be possible in most cases

I bet that would be extremely expensive... You could say, it might cost an arm and a leg  B)

Being more serious, I wouldn't find it to be worth the cost if I was receiving mechanical limbs. I'd much prefer living cells.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 12, 2016, 07:12:56 AM
i think it would be more prcatical to amputate and replace the limbs, that should be possible in most cases

I bet that would be extremely expensive... You could say, it might cost an arm and a leg  B)

Being more serious, I wouldn't find it to be worth the cost if I was receiving mechanical limbs. I'd much prefer living cells.


while that is true like i said erlier it cost £250,000 to grow a burger without any neurons, muscles or any other complex structure like that
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Taliaka Anichezachi on January 12, 2016, 09:12:41 AM
Gamma Genesplicing is a dangerous concept but possible, if you can change DNA directly, you can do anything and Genesplicing maybe the way to go.

So let me tell you how everyone became furries in my sonas universe :3 its as close as it can get to what i am suggesting :3

A great nuclear war wiped out humanity and also the entire planet, though radiation transformed animals, immune to Gamma radiation and more brain capacity then humans ever had
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Eesha on January 12, 2016, 12:31:08 PM
Well, radiation can't do that unfortunatly  :(
But I'm interessed in the gamma Genesplicing, I've never heard about it, could you explain what you know about it or I must find my friend google and ask him ?
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Taliaka Anichezachi on January 12, 2016, 04:20:39 PM
Its pretty much just a scientific theory :) try googling it and see what you come up with :3
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 12, 2016, 04:59:35 PM
to me going off the name it sounds like it is gene splicing except instead of using enzymes to cut the genes you would use gamma radiation to do it
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: ST-84 Sahelanthropus on January 12, 2016, 05:07:44 PM
If possible, I'd just upload my brainwave data to an ideal Robot of my design. Perhaps in the image of Doctor Nefarious~

But if that won't work, like if my consciousness couldn't be transferred, then I'd settle for keeping my squishy little brain intact, but either moved inside of said Robot of my design, or I'd have my whole body except my brain replaced with mechanical parts!
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Eesha on January 12, 2016, 05:15:53 PM
Pfff... It's easy for you, just have an androïd, link your brain with it and poof ! Robot !  >.>
I still cost a lot, but you can sell your organs, since you will have mechanical ones



Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 12, 2016, 06:01:00 PM
haha yeah i think a heart gets around £500,000 on the black market  XD
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Eesha on January 12, 2016, 06:09:13 PM
I have Tor If you want me to search
Tor is awesome, it pierce through every securities on my school network  XP
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 12, 2016, 06:15:29 PM
yeah it would do the same for me it is pretty cool in the sense  :P
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Galefargion on January 14, 2016, 10:26:16 PM
Well... In my opinion, considering that just 30 years ago people didnt have color televisions. I think that we may live to see atleast the early stages of furr body mods. Ive had my heart set on getting real elf ears since I was little, but a full fur transformation I definitely couldnt resist.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Fenox Helkiin on January 15, 2016, 08:15:17 AM
In regards to modifications to ones body?

The technology is already here, stem cells and cybernetic augmentations, the problem is that the human brain would be overloaded with electrical signals.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: ST-84 Sahelanthropus on January 15, 2016, 02:04:49 PM
Could the brain be enhanced with implants or something to make it be able to handle whatever is added onto the body?
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 15, 2016, 03:35:33 PM
Well... In my opinion, considering that just 30 years ago people didnt have color televisions. I think that we may live to see atleast the early stages of furr body mods. Ive had my heart set on getting real elf ears since I was little, but a full fur transformation I definitely couldnt resist.


3d bio printing already has you covered with that as we are starting to print kidneys so an ear would be easy  :)
(on a side note in a couple of years we will be able to creat living cells with 3d bio printing and we can download the genome of the ebola virus of the internet so download that put it into the printer and then their you go you can print yourself as much ebola as you like or whatever cellular virus you like that is kinda scary isnt it)


Post Merge: January 15, 2016, 03:39:40 PM
Could the brain be enhanced with implants or something to make it be able to handle whatever is added onto the body?


personally i think it can and we are doing it for some people as we have made people who have been blind all their life able to see for the first time and many other exciting innovations are happening and according to the american government their is a real life cyborg alive today his name is Neil Harbisson its quite interesting he can see colours that the normal human cannot because of an implant in his brain he could only see in black and white when he was born now he can see more colours than you and me  :)
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Galefargion on January 16, 2016, 01:14:09 AM
lol thats such a funny thought. *prints bubonic plague* ...oops  XD
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 16, 2016, 02:38:46 PM
lol thats such a funny thought. *prints bubonic plague* ...oops  XD


haha  XD 
while it may seem funny you could actually do that so in a couple of years we will literally be playing god  :) 
am i the only one that loves this idea it might be because i want to be a physicist so i love innovation but come on its cool  :D


hear this video explain it better only the start bit is on 3d bio printing the rest is about the possibility of human extinction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXXZLoq2zFc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXXZLoq2zFc)
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Quantum on January 17, 2016, 04:34:24 AM
Eh. If you're really feeling lucky, make a genetic clone of yourself, add the correct genes you need to be considered furry, if you wanna be ethical, make sure the brain doesnt develop but everything else does. Then, grow that furry clone of yourself and do a brain transplant. eZpZ. (I mean, only if you have billions of dollars. if not, good luck!)


Post Merge: January 17, 2016, 04:42:31 AM
Nanomachines, son.

Uugh, I'll probably make a more serious contribution to this discussion later. Just wanted to put that there, as I believe that's the key to achieving the trans-Humanist furry dream.
Omg I just saw that and almost literally fell out of my chair XD
Yasss metal gear memez
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 17, 2016, 01:34:51 PM
that is a good idea but connecting all the neurons would be a tremendously differ cult task an example is that the last head transplant which would e similar to a brain transplant technically it worked as it was done on a dog and the dog did survive though it only survived for 2 days till it died from an infection though this was done a long time ago and their have been plans to carry out a head transplant on a man soon soo if that works than yeah we are on our way to being able to do that :)
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Quantum on January 18, 2016, 03:01:53 AM
that is a good idea but connecting all the neurons would be a tremendously differ cult task an example is that the last head transplant which would e similar to a brain transplant technically it worked as it was done on a dog and the dog did survive though it only survived for 2 days till it died from an infection though this was done a long time ago and their have been plans to carry out a head transplant on a man soon soo if that works than yeah we are on our way to being able to do that :)
More like a brain transplant. Try putting the patient's brain inside a shell that is compatible with the immune system. Connect the brain stem to the backbone with a suitable neural interface. How it will be designed to make every neuron connect into place will take some time. Also you need a way to supply nutrients and oxygen to the brain.
Maybe that way the brain wont have clashes with the immune system. I would call this a "Brain in a case"
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 18, 2016, 07:20:03 AM
I reccon that could work though :)
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Rob_Silvermyst on January 22, 2016, 10:56:09 PM
I think instead of looking for ways we can become anthropomorphs, why not look into birthing them? The big reason why many species cannot interbreed is because of the number of chromosomes in the gametes. Through genetic modification, it would be possible to add in additional chromosomes into one gamete to match the number in the other that it is to fertilize and create an embryo. We could experiment with whether to add human chromosomes or animal chromosomes to the one side that is lacking in number. Dogs would be the best place to start as they are omnivorous, though certainly more meat-centered in diet, they do still require some vegetable matter so there would be less issues, unlike a cat which is pure carnivore and requires certain specific proteins in their diet which might cause an imbalance in an omnivore human/carnivore feline hybrid.  We would also have to see, if successful, if a born anthro is compatible with humans, with anthros of same species, anthros of different species, or if  born anthro is born sterile.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Galefargion on January 29, 2016, 09:23:58 AM
I think instead of looking for ways we can become anthropomorphs, why not look into birthing them? The big reason why many species cannot interbreed is because of the number of chromosomes in the gametes. Through genetic modification, it would be possible to add in additional chromosomes into one gamete to match the number in the other that it is to fertilize and create an embryo. We could experiment with whether to add human chromosomes or animal chromosomes to the one side that is lacking in number. Dogs would be the best place to start as they are omnivorous, though certainly more meat-centered in diet, they do still require some vegetable matter so there would be less issues, unlike a cat which is pure carnivore and requires certain specific proteins in their diet which might cause an imbalance in an omnivore human/carnivore feline hybrid.  We would also have to see, if successful, if a born anthro is compatible with humans, with anthros of same species, anthros of different species, or if  born anthro is born sterile.


Excellent notion and vastly nearer to us than becoming anthromorphs (though this saddens me) Maybe we can be reborn as them
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: ST-84 Sahelanthropus on January 29, 2016, 09:28:22 AM
I think instead of looking for ways we can become anthropomorphs, why not look into birthing them?

Because I'm selfish.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Galefargion on January 29, 2016, 09:32:31 AM
I think instead of looking for ways we can become anthropomorphs, why not look into birthing them?

Because I'm selfish.


Lol same
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: ST-84 Sahelanthropus on January 29, 2016, 09:40:45 AM
My user icon went so good with that. XD

I still stand by the nanomachines, son.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Galefargion on January 29, 2016, 09:41:43 AM
My user icon went so good with that. XD

I still stand by the nanomachines, son.


Dont we already have some legit progress on those?
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: ST-84 Sahelanthropus on January 29, 2016, 09:50:04 AM
Maybe. Although I kind doubt the actual nanorobots are being made or even looked into much. I think nanomaterials, like the carbon tubes or whatever, are very real, however.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Galefargion on January 29, 2016, 09:52:47 AM
I don't know if any are being made, but if im not mistaken ive seen a documentary on them and there has been considerable progress to the point its in fairly near sight of now. The current science is mostly focused on attacking antibodies and doing internal repairs i believe
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Quantum on January 30, 2016, 09:21:33 AM
Maybe. Although I kind doubt the actual nanorobots are being made or even looked into much. I think nanomaterials, like the carbon tubes or whatever, are very real, however.
Carbon nanotubes and graphene :D
I would rather focus science on creating a self sustaining fusion reactor, then we wont have to worry about the world energy crisis anymore.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: ST-84 Sahelanthropus on January 30, 2016, 10:22:32 AM
A fusion reactor would be EXTREMELY impressive and beneficial, but what about hydroelectric, geothermal, solar, and wind power in addition? Aren't they already viable and totally doable alternatives to dirty, non-renewable combustible fuel energy?
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Oanta on January 30, 2016, 09:02:52 PM
From my (limited) understanding, the amount of materials it takes versus the output of power is not as much as we need as a society so this is why there has been no huge change in how we get power.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 30, 2016, 11:02:50 PM
Maybe. Although I kind doubt the actual nanorobots are being made or even looked into much. I think nanomaterials, like the carbon tubes or whatever, are very real, however.
Carbon nanotubes and graphene :D
I would rather focus science on creating a self sustaining fusion reactor, then we wont have to worry about the world energy crisis anymore.


while a fusion reactor / accelerator would be amazing i think at the moment we should still be looking into that but we should try and aim for something a bit more achiverbul right now like a thorium reactor as japan or china says that they will build one within the next 20 years so i think we should contribute towards that though a i do agree we should still be looking at a fusion reactor and america are getting somewhere with laser fusion which is god as that would help a lot to get that
so yeah i think we should research into that but get the thorium rector done at the same time as the research


oh and nanobots are being developed and their are some interesting thigs that people recon we will achive within the next 20 years with this technology  :) thorium
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Galefargion on January 31, 2016, 12:30:15 PM
I thought we invented cold fusion already but just werent using it
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on January 31, 2016, 06:03:08 PM
I thought we invented cold fusion already but just werent using it


no we havet developed cold fusion we can carry out fusion in partical accelerators though it is not economically viable the most energy we have managed to get out a a fusion reaction is just enough to power a small village for a thew hours or a day while it sounds like a lot its not enough but we are getting their  :D


fusion is one a the gems that physics has to offer and once we figure it out i firmly belive that man will exist for billions of years  :)
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Kesh on February 01, 2016, 01:53:06 AM
The reason why fusion is so hard to create is:
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Galefargion on February 01, 2016, 10:42:03 AM
Sounds like a few megaton explosion waiting to happen
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on February 02, 2016, 08:34:15 PM
yeah thoes are all problem but their is also making it cost effective as so far with every fusion reaction we put more energy into it than we get out
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Kesh on February 02, 2016, 09:01:26 PM
yeah thoes are all problem but their is also making it cost effective as so far with every fusion reaction we put more energy into it than we get out


Not really. Its expensive to start, but if we use the energy from the first fusion reaction we could "piggyback" other reactions from the first.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on February 02, 2016, 09:15:42 PM
theoretically we could though we only do that with fusion bombs atm and well the word bomb kinda says what happens though we could do that and that is what we do with fission its just a matter of controlling it as im sure you know in fission / nuclear rectors to control the chain reaction we use control rods that are made of boron and they absorb neutrons
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Quantum on February 03, 2016, 01:02:54 AM
theoretically we could though we only do that with fusion bombs atm and well the word bomb kinda says what happens though we could do that and that is what we do with fission its just a matter of controlling it as im sure you know in fission / nuclear rectors to control the chain reaction we use control rods that are made of boron and they absorb neutrons
Right now all they need to do is fire high energy lasers at a hydrogen pellet, that would theoretically work, but only if they found a way to heat up that pellet evenly, which is one of the challenges of that system.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Oanta on February 03, 2016, 01:43:12 AM
I have the solution to all our problems: TARDIS!
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on February 03, 2016, 09:53:44 PM
theoretically we could though we only do that with fusion bombs atm and well the word bomb kinda says what happens though we could do that and that is what we do with fission its just a matter of controlling it as im sure you know in fission / nuclear rectors to control the chain reaction we use control rods that are made of boron and they absorb neutrons
Right now all they need to do is fire high energy lasers at a hydrogen pellet, that would theoretically work, but only if they found a way to heat up that pellet evenly, which is one of the challenges of that system.

America is doing that and they have got ut working but again we need to make it echanomically viable as we put nore energy in than we get out

A lot of science is done on wether or not it is cost afective and for this to take off their is no point in doing it unless it is cost affecrive. Well atleast doing it for the energy
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Kesh on February 03, 2016, 11:38:21 PM
I have the solution to all our problems: TARDIS!
A TARDIS uses a black hole to power itself if I remember correctly, we could theoretically use the gravitational pull to power some kind of electromagnetic device...
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on February 04, 2016, 08:41:10 PM
we can make a dumb hole in a lab which is basically a black hole but instead of light not escaping it it is sound that cant escape it. we can study it to give us an idea of what happens to objects once they pass the event horizon of a black hole
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: PEFA Harker on February 07, 2016, 05:47:10 PM
Since making a fully flight-capable avian furry from a human IRL will almost certainly be a technological nightmare, I think I will probably stick with fully-emulated (with sense, smell and all the stuffs) virtual realities, and I believe these thing will emerge in a fairly near future, probably even less than 10 years.


And also, I sometimes come up with crazy conspiracisms and that including the thoughts that sustainable nuclear fusion with a decent energy output have already long since completed, but its development was then stopped via money/violence/sabotage/etc. by some corporations of the energy industry since this technology will completely devastate their business.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: ST-84 Sahelanthropus on February 07, 2016, 05:54:22 PM
Since making a fully flight-capable avian furry from a human IRL will almost certainly be a technological nightmare, I think I will probably stick with fully-emulated (with sense, smell and all the stuffs) virtual realities, and I believe these thing will emerge in a fairly near future, probably even less than 10 years.

I'd really love to have wings, too. Hopefully we make some like mass effect fields or something, enabling smaller wings to do the job that bigger ones would normally be needed for. That, or jet packs. l3
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: PEFA Harker on February 07, 2016, 06:02:12 PM
Since making a fully flight-capable avian furry from a human IRL will almost certainly be a technological nightmare, I think I will probably stick with fully-emulated (with sense, smell and all the stuffs) virtual realities, and I believe these thing will emerge in a fairly near future, probably even less than 10 years.

I'd really love to have wings, too. Hopefully we make some like mass effect fields or something, enabling smaller wings to do the job that bigger ones would normally be needed for. That, or jet packs. l3

Something that assists with flight like jetpacks or antigravity of some sorts will certainly be a shortcut, but what I'm talking is making an anthro that actually only uses its wings to fly, and that will be really, really hard and probably impossible.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on February 07, 2016, 08:29:41 PM
Since making a fully flight-capable avian furry from a human IRL will almost certainly be a technological nightmare, I think I will probably stick with fully-emulated (with sense, smell and all the stuffs) virtual realities, and I believe these thing will emerge in a fairly near future, probably even less than 10 years.


And also, I sometimes come up with crazy conspiracisms and that including the thoughts that sustainable nuclear fusion with a decent energy output have already long since completed, but its development was then stopped via money/violence/sabotage/etc. by some corporations of the energy industry since this technology will completely devastate their business.


fun fact humans could wings large enough  :D
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Galefargion on February 09, 2016, 04:45:29 AM
I want to fly...  :'(
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on February 09, 2016, 08:00:44 PM
then all you have to do is get a rocket to titan find a way to stay alive at temperatures of -179 Celsius have a large oxygen and food + water supply and have large wings to flap  :D


yeah it dosent seem like we arre gonna do that any time soon  XD
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: anoni on February 10, 2016, 07:16:20 AM
My thoughts on the discussion

Fusion Reactor:

  We don't quite have that technology yet but we're getting closer. Some cool things to note, first of we can do fusion reactions pretty easily, the problem is getting useful work out of them. Fusion bombs, like the hydrogen bomb, for example are uncontrolled fusion reactions, great for blowing stuff up but not so great for powering stuff. In general, fusion reactions burn extremely hot, a nuclear bomb will burn hotter than the temperature of the sun, and currently no material ever known could withstand that heat without being damaged. So, one way to confine nuclear reactions is to simply not have them touch anything, but instead confine them with magnetic fields in a device known as a Tokamak. Within a Tokamak we can successfully control nuclear fusion, but unfortunately the amount of energy that is required to run the Tokamak is more than the energy that is released from nuclear fusion... currently. So currently, nuclear fusion isn't possible, and confining it into something small is even less possible, however as time progresses we might eventually crack it. All we need is for the nuclear fusion to release just a little bit more energy than it requires to actually fuse, in a controlled way, and we have a working fusion reactor.

Gamma Genesplicing:

 
This is a good way to get cancer, not really much more though, the chances of becoming a furry from gamma radiation mutating your cells DNA are next to none, the chances of getting cancer are quite high though.

Nano machines:

 
I don't exactly know how nano machines would truly help. I mean you could get nano machines to reform the body (an extremely painful and possibly deadly process), but if the body still has the same code and genetic DNA, it will just grow normally, the nano machines would need to, in order to keep fur growing and stuff, either change the humans hormone levels or the humans DNA, in which case why do you even really need the nano bots in the first place? If you can already change DNA, and introduce hormones into the system, nano machines wouldn't really give much of a benefit.

Birthing Anthros:

 
With genetic engineering being one of the most accelerated fields of science today, this seems possible (even in our life times maybe) but morally questionable. The thing your creating isn't you, and probably won't have the same opinions as you, even clones don't think the same. So, given that, what if they don't want to be Anthros as much as you do? Seems unreasonable to me!

Uploading brain data into a machine:

  Cyberpunk! It would be really cool if we could do this, some things though.
    1. The machine, where you uploaded your brain data to, wouldn't be you. It'd act like you, have your memories and have your thought processes, but it still wouldn't be you. You wouldn't experience what it experiences, it's basically just a clone, so for you being anthro it's still no luck!
    2. Requires a lot of storage, which if Moore's law keeps true we'll get in only a few decades, but all signs are pointing to the end of moore's law, and the birth of Quantum Computers. But currently we're not entirely sure how efficient quantum storage will be compared to classical storage. Eventually there will be a limit to how much storage we can have, though obviously this limit will be much more than what our brain can store, it just means that the rate at which we expand our storage capacities is probably gonna be slowing (still increasing but no longer exponential), so might take a little longer to get to that stage.
    3. We still don't understand how the brain words, and that's an important thing we need to do before we can get that going.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on February 10, 2016, 10:18:04 PM
  [/size]This is a good way to get cancer, not really much more though, the chances of becoming a furry from gamma radiation mutating your cells DNA are next to none, the chances of getting cancer are quite high though.[/size]


erm actually with my knowledge it is none it is impossible for that to happen i personally was skeptical on that bit


nano machines could alter bits of your body maby making the very small hairs that are located more like fur adding a filiment to give them the desierd colour and such


also i personally think furry ai is the furthest thing we are from doing out of the lyst




personally i think we shoud work on proving the multiverse theory then work on a way of using quantum entanglement to teleport some humans to a universe whir furries are real
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: anoni on February 11, 2016, 05:26:52 AM
Multiverse theory relies on something called quantum decoherence, basically universes split when a state of a quantum system is observed, for each possible resulting measurement a new universe is, supposedly, created. However, once the universes are created that quantum system is effectively "observed" and the universe in question acts as any normal unitary universe, and you can't escape from that. The idea of quantum decoherence basically states that, under our understanding of multiverse theory, going to another universe is theoretically and mathematically impossible. Surprisingly, gamma radiation turning you into a furry is not technically impossible, just with a negligible possibility (ie: The probability is so small it might as well be impossible).

  EDIT: Never mind, there are some new possibilities out there that believe gravity might be weakly coupling multiverses, which means we may be able to send signals from one universe to the next. I don't know how valid that idea is, but it shows that it's not technically impossible.

  And fur isn't what makes a furry a furry, they can already, with today's technology, cover your body in fur, or hair, quite easily. The problem is the actual skeletal changes that would go into making an anthro.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Rho'Syn Ilwynog on February 11, 2016, 05:45:20 AM
I think the closest we will get is mechanical exoskeletons for IRL things. Expensive as hell but possible. Seeing as reconstructing the tissue of a human is very highly detailed, adding a robotic suit around it (A la FNAF) may work better.


The downloading consciousness is one way of doing it, but we don't know what consciousness does when it leaves the body. is it the original? Or is it something new? It's kind of like teleportation. You have to basically obliterate something and then reassemble it elsewhere. Thus, the question, is it the same thing? Or a new thing? Will it still have consciousness after it has been moved? Or will it be a husk?


I think remote VR with pods would be easier. Or exoskeletons. Hoping for exoskeletons.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on February 11, 2016, 10:45:18 PM
The teleportation between the 2 universe was more a joke I wasn't being serous but yes gravity is belived to affect differant universes as dark flow is some of the greatest evidence we have for the multiverse theory well evidence that is observable and all of that is based on the idea that gravity can affect differant universes

I know that it takes more than fur but it was just one example of how nanobots could help

Personally I think furry so is really far away as the best so we have is asimo and well that is no wear near good enough yet while the technology is amazing it still isn't close enough
We have actually made a rabot that thinks exactly like a work as we have mapped all of the nral connections in a worms brain meaning that this robot thinks exactly like a wrom
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: anoni on February 12, 2016, 04:28:43 AM
Well as I said, I think the easiest and most realistic way to become a furry, in our life times, is through VR.

VR is making a come back so hopefully it sticks this time round, then we might get a SL VR and you can move around as your fursona, eventually we might even be able to get suits that let us feel what we feel in the game world.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on February 12, 2016, 04:26:49 PM
yeah we could always push for a dyson sphear not in our lifetime but if we make one we would have more than enough energy to do that  :)
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Counterpeir on February 14, 2016, 03:10:25 AM
Thanks for all the responses. I look forward to hearing more theories. I'll make furries real someday, i'm sure of it. ^_^
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: anoni on February 14, 2016, 03:53:06 AM
yeah we could always push for a dyson sphear not in our lifetime but if we make one we would have more than enough energy to do that  :)

In a thread on a different area of the forum I did a comprehensive analysis on whether or not a Dyson sphere around earth would actually be feasible.

The cost of the Dyson sphere, if my calculations were correct, is this:

Now if we use the solar cell with that efficiency of 44%, the cost of producing such a material is roughly $680 per kilogram, lets make a rough estimate and say that every square metre of solar cell is 1 kg. If we assumed the solar cells were in outer space (the borderline: 100km above sea level) that would give our solar cell orb a whopping surface area of 5.27*1014 m2 meaning that the price to build a sphere would be ~$35,860,312,699,584,860. Which is more than 100x the amount of total derivative contracts in the world (IE: About 100x more than the global economy). Now to the price of getting a solar panel up there in the first place, currently it costs approximately $5,167 to send one kilogram up to space (this is done in bulk) which means the cost of sending all the mass to space would be $2.72*1018, approximately 1,000 times more than the economy. Finally, solar powers are measured in how many cents it costs to maintain a maximum wattage, the most efficient solar power we have (in terms of price and cost) costs roughly 12.5c per Kilowatt of power/hour. The sun currently gives the entirety of the earth 174 PW, but this has 100km more of a radius than the earth so the amount of wattage is more 179 PW, or 179,000,000,000,000 KW of power. Using the 44% efficiency margin that means per hour you'd need to pay 2.23*1013 PER HOUR to get all that energy. Again roughly 0.1x the global economy per hour. In a year you'd be expecting to pay $1.960 *1017, 100 x more than global economy. So altogether for a radius of 100 km above the earths surface for a year, it would cost a whopping $6.417*1018. The larger you make the radius, the more cost you get!

So yeah.
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on February 14, 2016, 03:45:35 PM
haha in the calculations did you incllood the fact that if we put a dysonspear around the sun their would need to be more meteriol for us to use than what we ahve on earth as yeah as everyone knows thew earth is a lot smaller than the sun so we would need to mine other planets to get enough metal and i think their might not even be enough metal in out solar system so we would need to travel to a differant one and if we could do that we would be better of making it around a red dwarf as we would still get enough energy less material would be needed as it is smaller and it wouldn't cause earth to freeze over
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: anoni on February 14, 2016, 10:24:53 PM
haha in the calculations did you incllood the fact that if we put a dysonspear around the sun their would need to be more meteriol for us to use than what we ahve on earth as yeah as everyone knows thew earth is a lot smaller than the sun so we would need to mine other planets to get enough metal and i think their might not even be enough metal in out solar system so we would need to travel to a differant one and if we could do that we would be better of making it around a red dwarf as we would still get enough energy less material would be needed as it is smaller and it wouldn't cause earth to freeze over

There's definitely enough metal in our solar system, and depending on what TYPE of metal, there might even enough metal on ear (if we're using something like Silicon) to actually surround the entire sun. The thing is, the sun is really big but out Dyson sphere can also be really thin, the earths crust is much more thicker than what our dyson sphere needs to be. The sun is approximately 100 x the radius of earth, which means it has ~10,000x the surface area. If we could carve out all the material with a 100m radius of earth, we'd be able to create a dyson sphere around that sun, with that material, that is 1cm thick
Title: Re: Calling all furry scientists
Post by: Karric on February 14, 2016, 11:32:16 PM
while that is possible you do mention it depends on the material we use and considering 70% of the earth is iron and we will also need a lot of copper we will also need to make a computer far grater than what we have to run the dysosphear and also their is going to need to be a way to radiate heat away quickly as a large spear covering up the sun would generate a lot of heat meaning their is going to be places to let off heat
while your calculations are correct they dont take into consideration the abundance of the materials and margin for error i say that as we are only human and to make such a thing their is going to be the odd problem that is goign to need to be fixed and also what you are talking of doing is pretty much destroying the earth to make it and if we do have to destroy a planet to make it i think everyone would like to keep earth as a historical pice or almost a nature reserve as their is lots of life on earth and to destroy earth just so humans get a vr is simply selfish and uncalled for while some people would say it is advancing humanity i think any educated person would agree with me on this