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Furry Chat => Rants and Advice => Topic started by: BennyJackdaw on December 23, 2015, 05:12:29 PM
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I've been having a hard time finding interesting video games as of late. That's because so many of them are typical "hoomans r absolut gud, evrytng els iz ebil" type games that generally make me feel very angry when playing them regardless of gameplay, and a lot of the games with anthros and non-human goodguy characters suck.
One big problem I have is a game called Project X Zone, a colaboration between Namco, Capcom and Sega. They had all these bad*** villains coming in all forms: giant bunnies, anthros, monsters, robots... and yet the game doesn't even have ONE SINGLE PURE NON-HUMAN PLAYABLE! Sure, there's human characters who have fur or wings or metal armor, but not a single full non-human playable, meaning "looks NOTHING like a human except possibly anatomy." This was enough for me to not want to play the game... at all. Even when I did, the sole fact drained a lot of enjoyment I could have had. The second game came out recently and I was hoping to god they would fix this. I even said I would indefinitely buy the game if they had even one non-human goodguy playable. ...They didn't. Once again, it was yet another "hoomans r absolut gud, evrytng els iz ebil" type game like the last one.
I've been hugely peeved at Smash Brothers too. Mewtwo came out and I made no hesitation in buying. Then three more characters came out. ...They were all human. But I still bought them because I wanted to be a completionist. ...But with these last three, that desire turned into offense. I had my heart set on playing K. Rool, Wolf, or even Banjo. ...But no, THREE MORE HUMAN CHARACTERS! Cloud strife I was sort of okay with, but YET ANOTHER FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTER AND BAYONETTA!? TWO MORE "hoomans r absolut gud, evrytng els iz ebil" FRANCHISES, ONE OF WHICH ALREADY HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH CHARACTERS WHILE THE OTHER HAD REALLY NO BUSINESS IN THIS GAME!?! Frankly, I'm so offended by it that I've decided I will not waste another dollar on this game unless the creators decide to surprise us with one more DLC character that is NOT human.
I feel like us furries are an untapped market that is going too far ignored. We're treated as nothing more than a minority, so most companies don't even bother giving us even a single nod. That's why games like Project X Zone have ZERO non-human playables, and it feels like Nintendo, one of the last holdouts for anthro video games, is following this trend as well. I wish there was a way to get it out there that furries like videogames too, that furries will pay good money for good quality games with anthros as the goodguys, and that only jaded people are really going to pitch that huge of a fit if they even see one anthro that isn't evil in a video game. Lately with so few games with anthro goodguys in them, I almost feel like giving up videogames because nothing ever interests me anymore because it feels like we're alienated.
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Seeing this makes me want to replace the furry characters in my game with humans.
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Seeing this makes me want to replace the furry characters in my game with humans.
Gee, thanks for the helpful and encouraging comment. It's comments like these that make me hate playing as humans even more. Plus, I'm not trying to start a fight.
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Seeing this makes me want to replace the furry characters in my game with humans.
Gee, thanks for the helpful and encouraging comment. It's comments like these that make me hate playing as humans even more. Plus, I'm not trying to start a fight.
But think of it like this: Seeing all this hate, all this anger over what characters look like...is this really something anybody wants to cater to? You claim it's a market, but if your attitude on the subject is any indication of what that market is like, then it's a good reason to avoid such a market.
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I love games with multiple races to play as. I suppose the best example of a good game for you to play would be the Elder Scrolls. (If you haven't already played it.) And I do hate it in stories when they make the non-humans the enemies. It happens far too often.
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Seeing this makes me want to replace the furry characters in my game with humans.
Gee, thanks for the helpful and encouraging comment. It's comments like these that make me hate playing as humans even more. Plus, I'm not trying to start a fight.
But think of it like this: Seeing all this hate, all this anger over what characters look like...is this really something anybody wants to cater to? You claim it's a market, but if your attitude on the subject is any indication of what that market is like, then it's a good reason to avoid such a market.
I just don't think you get me.
It may not seem like a big deal to some people, but to me, what my character looks like is actually a huge deal. Anthro characters are cool, versatile, filled with cool abilities and personality. Humans are just... I'm human in real life. Playing as something I already am feels so boring, plus I don't personally like humans visually compared to most other creatures. In my opinion, humans are the most visually bland kind of character. I get that there are a lot of games staring them because the people making them are human, but does that really mean ALL games have to star us humans? Plus it's not just games not staring humans, it's the idea that humans are these god-like, flawless creatures and everything else is scum, and not just the usual wolves and demons, but bunnies and squirrels and other innocuous creatures too, which feels like it's shoved down my throat at times, that makes me not want to play most modern games.
Also, people get angry. That's human nature. We tend to vent our frustration. Not just furries do it, most people do. I don't see why this should be the sole deciding factor that decent anthro games have no business being made.
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I don't see why this should be the sole deciding factor that decent anthro games have no business being made.
Because rage is not fun to deal with. Devs deal with enough as is, if they get it for making characters look a certain way, that audience is not going to be worth trying to satisfy.
My point is if the way something looks doesn't satisfy your preferences, don't insult people for it. Maybe even make your own stuff, if you can.
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I don't see why this should be the sole deciding factor that decent anthro games have no business being made.
Because rage is not fun to deal with. Devs deal with enough as is, if they get it for making characters look a certain way, that audience is not going to be worth trying to satisfy.
My point is if the way something looks doesn't satisfy your preferences, don't insult people for it. Maybe even make your own stuff, if you can.
My problem is that that is not the entire furry fandom. One person shouldn't determine whether the whole entire group gets a game or not. That, and can you really say that a game with an anthro character is going to be THAT big of a deal for most non-furries? I'm sure more people than not would still play it. And for those that won't, they don't have to. Is it really a good thing that furries have to suffer through what feels like the same games over and over, year after year with maybe two or three (if you've been good) interesting titles breaking up the monotony?
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A furry game... That sounds AMAZING! Wait a minute, haven't you heard of Furvilla Benny?
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A furry game... That sounds AMAZING! Wait a minute, haven't you heard of Furvilla Benny?
No I haven't. I also am not trying to restrict it to furries in general. I just want games staring non-humanoids.
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Furvilla is a mobile game currently in development. Here's their FA page:
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.furaffinity.net/user/furvilla/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwi96uel5PLJAhVD4iYKHaGEC9EQFghNMA0&usg=AFQjCNHY4yWf_LnBnVbgTE4AueBSuKttkA
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Now that you mention it, I HAVE heard of it.
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It sounds really fun, and I get what you're saying. There should definitely be more games that feature the main character as a non-human. Have you ever played the Spyro games? Or Sly Cooper games? Those are good examples.
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It sounds really fun, and I get what you're saying. There should definitely be more games that feature the main character as a non-human. Have you ever played the Spyro games? Or Sly Cooper games? Those are good examples.
Spyro fan since release. Still a Spyro fan into the Skylanders franchise. :)
Haven't played Sly Cooper though. I don't have any of the consoles Sly Cooper games are on.
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You mean a PlayStation 2?
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I don't see why this should be the sole deciding factor that decent anthro games have no business being made.
Because rage is not fun to deal with. Devs deal with enough as is, if they get it for making characters look a certain way, that audience is not going to be worth trying to satisfy.
My point is if the way something looks doesn't satisfy your preferences, don't insult people for it. Maybe even make your own stuff, if you can.
My problem is that that is not the entire furry fandom. One person shouldn't determine whether the whole entire group gets a game or not. That, and can you really say that a game with an anthro character is going to be THAT big of a deal for most non-furries? I'm sure more people than not would still play it. And for those that won't, they don't have to. Is it really a good thing that furries have to suffer through what feels like the same games over and over, year after year with maybe two or three (if you've been good) interesting titles breaking up the monotony?
I was being sarcastic with my first comment. While I certainly am keeping the same plan for it, it certainly is discouraging to see your comments on the matter. I'm sure many others would feel the same.
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I don't see why this should be the sole deciding factor that decent anthro games have no business being made.
Because rage is not fun to deal with. Devs deal with enough as is, if they get it for making characters look a certain way, that audience is not going to be worth trying to satisfy.
My point is if the way something looks doesn't satisfy your preferences, don't insult people for it. Maybe even make your own stuff, if you can.
My problem is that that is not the entire furry fandom. One person shouldn't determine whether the whole entire group gets a game or not. That, and can you really say that a game with an anthro character is going to be THAT big of a deal for most non-furries? I'm sure more people than not would still play it. And for those that won't, they don't have to. Is it really a good thing that furries have to suffer through what feels like the same games over and over, year after year with maybe two or three (if you've been good) interesting titles breaking up the monotony?
I was being sarcastic with my first comment. While I certainly am keeping the same plan for it, it certainly is discouraging to see your comments on the matter. I'm sure many others would feel the same.
Well how would you rather I act?
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I don't see why this should be the sole deciding factor that decent anthro games have no business being made.
Because rage is not fun to deal with. Devs deal with enough as is, if they get it for making characters look a certain way, that audience is not going to be worth trying to satisfy.
My point is if the way something looks doesn't satisfy your preferences, don't insult people for it. Maybe even make your own stuff, if you can.
My problem is that that is not the entire furry fandom. One person shouldn't determine whether the whole entire group gets a game or not. That, and can you really say that a game with an anthro character is going to be THAT big of a deal for most non-furries? I'm sure more people than not would still play it. And for those that won't, they don't have to. Is it really a good thing that furries have to suffer through what feels like the same games over and over, year after year with maybe two or three (if you've been good) interesting titles breaking up the monotony?
I was being sarcastic with my first comment. While I certainly am keeping the same plan for it, it certainly is discouraging to see your comments on the matter. I'm sure many others would feel the same.
Well how would you rather I act?
Not insulting, basically. Give ideas on what you do want to see, not get angry and bash what you don't.
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I don't see why this should be the sole deciding factor that decent anthro games have no business being made.
Because rage is not fun to deal with. Devs deal with enough as is, if they get it for making characters look a certain way, that audience is not going to be worth trying to satisfy.
My point is if the way something looks doesn't satisfy your preferences, don't insult people for it. Maybe even make your own stuff, if you can.
My problem is that that is not the entire furry fandom. One person shouldn't determine whether the whole entire group gets a game or not. That, and can you really say that a game with an anthro character is going to be THAT big of a deal for most non-furries? I'm sure more people than not would still play it. And for those that won't, they don't have to. Is it really a good thing that furries have to suffer through what feels like the same games over and over, year after year with maybe two or three (if you've been good) interesting titles breaking up the monotony?
I was being sarcastic with my first comment. While I certainly am keeping the same plan for it, it certainly is discouraging to see your comments on the matter. I'm sure many others would feel the same.
Well how would you rather I act?
Not insulting, basically. Give ideas on what you do want to see, not get angry and bash what you don't.
Fair enough. It's not so much I was trying to be insulting, it's just kind of a frustrating topic for me, so most of my post was more or less frustration than trying to offend people.
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Now I do personally feel like I'm the resident forum video game expert and I'm not really picking up your angle with this.
I do agree that there aren't many anthro/furry/non-human characters in video games, but that's not something to take offence over.
You getting upset over the Smash Bros DLC makes me a bit sad, because they're awesome characters from awesome games and Nintendo choosing to release them in response to what the majority of fans (Including myself) would like to see and including a few surprises that just surprised everyone (CLOUD STRIFE!!!!). All in all, They're not going to release more pokemon characters because of poken tournament and there already being an impressive roster and Banjo is never happening because of Microsoft owning him.
Animal crossing characters would be amazing though and I can get behind that. Even Wolf would be a welcome return, but there's no reason to abandon a game because of new characters all being "human". I can't actually come up with a good comparison because of how much the reason throws me off.
A reason I can think of why there aren't many anthro/furry/non-human characters in modern media is for the same reason there aren't many 2D cartoons any more - It's seen as childish (not that I agree with this - anthro/non-human/whatever characters can be seriously badass).
I also think there isn't much of an appeal for such characters outside of the fandom and children, because it's easier to relate with and invest yourself into a human character. You look at them and think "Woah, I'm human too! I can bee as cool as that guy!" or at least I'm sure how the masses see this.
I'm also not sure how by default a character that is human is automatically "lol humens are the best" in the cases of the new smash bros DLC characters because of their franchises (Side note: My favourite is the Duck Hunt Duo). Arguably, half the smash roster is already non-human.
Rounding off though, while it obviously is a problem for you, I just can't imagine anyone else having the problem. New characters of any kind is a new way to play and brings in it's own enjoyment. I recommend looking for what is enjoyable instead of what won't be and you'll have way more fun. All else fails, check out gamingfurever.com for a database of furry games.
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Now I do personally feel like I'm the resident forum video game expert and I'm not really picking up your angle with this.
I do agree that there aren't many anthro/furry/non-human characters in video games, but that's not something to take offence over.
You getting upset over the Smash Bros DLC makes me a bit sad, because they're awesome characters from awesome games and Nintendo choosing to release them in response to what the majority of fans (Including myself) would like to see and including a few surprises that just surprised everyone (CLOUD STRIFE!!!!). All in all, They're not going to release more pokemon characters because of poken tournament and there already being an impressive roster and Banjo is never happening because of Microsoft owning him.
Animal crossing characters would be amazing though and I can get behind that. Even Wolf would be a welcome return, but there's no reason to abandon a game because of new characters all being "human". I can't actually come up with a good comparison because of how much the reason throws me off.
A reason I can think of why there aren't many anthro/furry/non-human characters in modern media is for the same reason there aren't many 2D cartoons any more - It's seen as childish (not that I agree with this - anthro/non-human/whatever characters can be seriously badass).
I also think there isn't much of an appeal for such characters outside of the fandom and children, because it's easier to relate with and invest yourself into a human character. You look at them and think "Woah, I'm human too! I can bee as cool as that guy!" or at least I'm sure how the masses see this.
I'm also not sure how by default a character that is human is automatically "lol humens are the best" in the cases of the new smash bros DLC characters because of their franchises (Side note: My favourite is the Duck Hunt Duo). Arguably, half the smash roster is already non-human.
Rounding off though, while it obviously is a problem for you, I just can't imagine anyone else having the problem. New characters of any kind is a new way to play and brings in it's own enjoyment. I recommend looking for what is enjoyable instead of what won't be and you'll have way more fun. All else fails, check out gamingfurever.com for a database of furry games.
My problem is the three new characters are, honestly, pretty much the same character. Corrin is yet another character from an over-represented franchise, two of them are sword-wielders, and Bayonetta is from an M-rated game. Couldn't they have at least given us one more non-human? Or at the very least a cartoony human? And even if you don't think I should be offended, nothing is going to make me spend ten 18 or so bucks on characters I strongly dislike. Not just because they're human, but because they're typical "Mature" humans, two of which are from "hoomans are absolute gud" games.
I never play as Villager, ever. The franchise has hundreds of animals, and the only playable is the one human. And frankly, I was already bored of this game, and was counting on at least one of the characters being interesting. Instead, and I'm sorry, but I still feel kind of insulted that we get three "edgy" humans. If they bring back Wolf as a surprise, I might go back, but otherwise I have no interest in playing the game any further. To reiterate, I was already bored of the game. The new characters just make me want to play it less. Yes, I know they're optional, but the fact they exist in the game at all... I'm sorry if I sound offensive, but this is my honest opinion. I can't help but feel angry about it. Even with explanations, I still feel angry about it.
If there was a way to make people realize that anthro characters aren't childish. I'm dying to see more anthro games. And I'm sorry, but every time I see a human character, I usually think either "whatever" or "ugh, another one of THESE kind of characters." Usually the later with typical demon/zombie/alien hunter cliche humans in games usually devoid of originality or personality. Anthro characters are different, unique and interesting, and that's why I like them.
"hoomans are absolute gud" games means ONLY humans can be good. Everything else, no matter how innocuous, be it bunnies or squirrels, are evil. The only "non-human" goodguys allowed are elves, dwarves, robots with human faces and anatomy, and basically ANYTHING that looks almost exactly like a human. But once a character stops looking anything like a human, they can no longer be good. You can put wings, cat ears, and tails on a human, but they're still a human.
Actually, a lot of furries have the same problem. I'm not the only one, and I'm sure there are others on this forum that do kind of feel the same way. I mean come on, even YOU have to admit you would buy a really good game if it had anthros as the main character. Plus, how many games on that site are any good. I've been really looking forward to games like Yooka-Laylee and Clive and Wrench, but sometimes it feels like anthro games are cursed to suck, so I wouldn't be surprised if these games end up sucking.
I know it feels like I'm too negative, but deep down I can't help but feel negative. I'm probably a bad person because of it. :'(
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"hoomans are absolute gud" games means ONLY humans can be good. Everything else, no matter how innocuous, be it bunnies or squirrels, are evil. The only "non-human" goodguys allowed are elves, dwarves, robots with human faces and anatomy, and basically ANYTHING that looks almost exactly like a human. But once a character stops looking anything like a human, they can no longer be good. You can put wings, cat ears, and tails on a human, but they're still a human.
My compliments to SEGA with Sonic. Basically in Sonic games it's the other way around.
If there was a way to make people realize that anthro characters aren't childish. I'm dying to see more anthro games.
Makes me think of 'Dust - An Elysian Tail'. Ever heard of it? If not, I suggest you should go and look it up.
Deep down, I actually kind of like when it's the other way around. :)
And yes, I've heard of it. I have yet to play it, but I've heard nothing but good things from just about everyone except the "furries" at FurAffinityForums.
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There are a lot of games with anthro characters who aren't antagonists in it
Dust, Overgrowth, Bethesda games, Ratchet and Clank, Jack And Dexter, Sly cooper, Concur, Banjo Kazooie, Yoshi, Sonic, Star fox, Crash Bandicoot, Animal Crossing; the list goes on.
Not all games are going to have anthros as the good guys, not all games are gonna have anthro characters at all. The point is there is a lot of games that do have anthro characters, so I don't think this is so bad.
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There are a lot of games with anthro characters who aren't antagonists in it
Dust, Overgrowth, Bethesda games, Ratchet and Clank, Jack And Dexter, Sly cooper, Concur, Banjo Kazooie, Yoshi, Sonic, Star fox, Crash Bandicoot, Animal Crossing; the list goes on.
Not all games are going to have anthros as the good guys, not all games are gonna have anthro characters at all. The point is there is a lot of games that do have anthro characters, so I don't think this is so bad.
How many regularly, though. We're lucky if we get three or four good anthro games a year. Most of the time we only get one, sometimes even none.
Again, if there was more, I'd be fine. Unfortunately, most anthro games suck and, again, the ones that don't usually only get made once or twice a year.
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There are a lot of games with anthro characters who aren't antagonists in it
Dust, Overgrowth, Bethesda games, Ratchet and Clank, Jack And Dexter, Sly cooper, Concur, Banjo Kazooie, Yoshi, Sonic, Star fox, Crash Bandicoot, Animal Crossing; the list goes on.
Not all games are going to have anthros as the good guys, not all games are gonna have anthro characters at all. The point is there is a lot of games that do have anthro characters, so I don't think this is so bad.
How many regularly, though. We're lucky if we get three or four good anthro games a year. Most of the time we only get one, sometimes even none.
Again, if there was more, I'd be fine. Unfortunately, most anthro games suck and, again, the ones that don't usually only get made once or twice a year.
We get pretty regular Rachet and Clank games, even a moving coming out soon, Concur came back recently, A new Banjo Kazooie spiritual successor is in the works thanks to kickstarter, new Star fox is coming out soon, there's always a new yoshi/super mario game coming out, there was a new animal crossing game out recently. Undertale has a some positive anthro characters like Toriel. Sonic boom, though not good, did come out as well recently.
Some anthro games suck that's not the fault of the industry, that's the fault of the developer. You can't blame the video game industry for shutting anthro characters out if they release anthro games that just turn out to be bad...
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There are a lot of games with anthro characters who aren't antagonists in it
Dust, Overgrowth, Bethesda games, Ratchet and Clank, Jack And Dexter, Sly cooper, Concur, Banjo Kazooie, Yoshi, Sonic, Star fox, Crash Bandicoot, Animal Crossing; the list goes on.
Not all games are going to have anthros as the good guys, not all games are gonna have anthro characters at all. The point is there is a lot of games that do have anthro characters, so I don't think this is so bad.
How many regularly, though. We're lucky if we get three or four good anthro games a year. Most of the time we only get one, sometimes even none.
Again, if there was more, I'd be fine. Unfortunately, most anthro games suck and, again, the ones that don't usually only get made once or twice a year.
We get pretty regular Rachet and Clank games, even a moving coming out soon, Concur came back recently, A new Banjo Kazooie spiritual successor is in the works thanks to kickstarter, new Star fox is coming out soon, there's always a new yoshi/super mario game coming out, there was a new animal crossing game out recently. Undertale has a some positive anthro characters like Toriel. Sonic boom, though not good, did come out as well recently.
Some anthro games suck that's not the fault of the industry, that's the fault of the developer. You can't blame the video game industry for shutting anthro characters out if they release anthro games that just turn out to be bad...
Sonic Boom WiiU just about no one is going to argue over (although the VGC surprisingly gave it a passing grade), but I've heard some good about Sonic Boom 3DS.
Sometimes I feel like there IS bias. A lot of reviews rate some pretty good anthro games pretty low while basically every time a "Hoomans r absuhlut gud" game comes out, regardless of how awful the gameplay is, it almost always gets perfect scores or close.
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There are a lot of games with anthro characters who aren't antagonists in it
Dust, Overgrowth, Bethesda games, Ratchet and Clank, Jack And Dexter, Sly cooper, Concur, Banjo Kazooie, Yoshi, Sonic, Star fox, Crash Bandicoot, Animal Crossing; the list goes on.
Not all games are going to have anthros as the good guys, not all games are gonna have anthro characters at all. The point is there is a lot of games that do have anthro characters, so I don't think this is so bad.
How many regularly, though. We're lucky if we get three or four good anthro games a year. Most of the time we only get one, sometimes even none.
Again, if there was more, I'd be fine. Unfortunately, most anthro games suck and, again, the ones that don't usually only get made once or twice a year.
We get pretty regular Rachet and Clank games, even a moving coming out soon, Concur came back recently, A new Banjo Kazooie spiritual successor is in the works thanks to kickstarter, new Star fox is coming out soon, there's always a new yoshi/super mario game coming out, there was a new animal crossing game out recently. Undertale has a some positive anthro characters like Toriel. Sonic boom, though not good, did come out as well recently.
Some anthro games suck that's not the fault of the industry, that's the fault of the developer. You can't blame the video game industry for shutting anthro characters out if they release anthro games that just turn out to be bad...
Sonic Boom WiiU just about no one is going to argue over (although the VGC surprisingly gave it a passing grade), but I've heard some good about Sonic Boom 3DS.
Sometimes I feel like there IS bias. A lot of reviews rate some pretty good anthro games pretty low while basically every time a "Hoomans r absuhlut gud" game comes out, regardless of how awful the gameplay is, it almost always gets perfect scores or close.
I beg to differ. It seems to me that games with cartoony Funny Animal characters get a free pass to some points, possibly because they remind reviewers of the cartoons they watched.
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Has anyone here seen the show Pecola?
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Concur came back recently
Wait, he did? When did this happen? Also, I think it's Conker, not Concur.
I beg to differ. It seems to me that games with cartoony Funny Animal characters get a free pass to some points, possibly because they remind reviewers of the cartoons they watched.
It's basically the opposite everywhere I've gone.
Has anyone here seen the show Pecola?
Nope. Never heard of it.