Post by: Henri on July 14, 2015, 12:35:10 PM
just wondering.
Post by: Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy") on July 14, 2015, 12:55:49 PM
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Post by: Zane the Fox on July 16, 2015, 12:31:10 AM
Post by: Ryan Naismith on July 16, 2015, 01:45:18 AM
Bi fox... well more of 35% straight and 65% gay to be rightPretty much the same here. Except im a sheppie
Post by: Attacus on July 16, 2015, 02:15:21 AM
Post by: Celestial_Dragon on July 17, 2015, 09:08:37 AM
I am born and bred aussie, and I go to a catholic high school, I have spend an adnormal amount of time being indoctrinated by my teachers to go against the idea of marriage, many teachers are fully against the notion of even gay people( quote of the day by a teacher " you guys need to be open and look at all the facts", which is a reference that you need to be open minded on the side AGAINST gay marriage), and on Tuesday (local time) we are having a two period ( 140min) talk with a straight married couple (from a principal that everyone hated) about how HAPPY THEY **Censor** are and how their STRAIGHT life is better than a gay lifestyle....................................
Thankyou for listening, I just wish to post something and not get caught by the teachers and get wrecked by the A-hole principal......
I am happy with my life though, I have plenty of friends and a girlfriend, and on top of my senior year grades (though I barely past religion, though to be fair its very hard, example top mark was 15/20, I got 10/20.....)
Also note I live in rurual Australia
...... I talk to much.......
Thankyou
Post by: Cheza on July 17, 2015, 09:39:22 AM
My family and most other (non-furry) people I know IRL don't know about it since there's been no real reason for me to tell them, and until I have one I don't plan on changing that.
I am fortunate to know for sure that my parents can accept, tolerate and to some extent even support it just fine, but what I'm less sure about is if they can stand having two children "like THAT". There's always the chance they'd go all "Oh, you're probably just doing it because *sisters name* is also doing it. Or because you're mean."
Hopefully they'll be more mature than that should I ever have the need to tell them >->'
Post by: Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy") on July 18, 2015, 09:34:56 AM
I don't really care what gender a person is.
There's a name for that (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality)
Post by: Cheza on July 18, 2015, 11:52:28 AM
*Trigger warning:
I know. -Technically- I'm polysexual and not pansexual tho, since while I don't really care about what gender a person is, I'm not a too big fan of the whole complicated made-up gender mess that's currently running rampant on the internet among all kinds of special snowflakes. Sure, I can accept, respect and tolerate them all, but I don't think (I can't actually say for sure) I could ever be together with someone who insisted I used some really weird snowflake pronouns (Like cake/cakes/cakeself and similar. He/she/they/xir-pronouns are all ok tho. By default, if I don't know for sure or unless asked not to, I tend to use "they"-pronouns since that's completely neutral. Or degendering, depending on who you're asking, but that's never my intention) when talking about them.
As for myself, while being on this topic, I have no idea what I am. Sure, I'm biologically female, so naturally most people refer to me as "she", and I'm ok with that, but I don't "feel" female, occasionally to the point where I fall into long periods of self-hate because "my body is wrong". Hence why I have no gender set on my profile. It's a rather hard to explain thing and not really relevant to this thing tho, so I'll just leave it at that. Sometimes when registering on forums and I'm able to set my gender to anything, I (jokingly) set it as "tomboy" tho, but that's more of a style than a gender as far as I can tell.
Worth mentioning is also that I don't have anything against trans-people. I'll use the pronouns I'm asked to (yes, even the ones I don't understand) and I don't think any less of them, but I might not necessarily always agree with them and their opinions. But that's just how it is with everything, everyone can't always get along. But for as long as people can still respect each others differences and at the very least -try- to get along, no harm is done.
I find people who don't stick to the traditional gender roles/stereotypes to be the most attractive ones. Or as I prefer to put it: People who aren't afraid of being themselves and expressing it in whatever ways they feel fit, no matter what others might think of them.
Probably not the right way to put it, but can't really think of any better ways to say it right now. Either way, I support people being themselves and doing whatever they please, for as long as noone gets hurt.
It's all too confusing and messy for my dinosaur goldfish-brain tho, so for the sake of simplicity I prefer to just call myself bisexual these days. Saves everyone a lot of unnecessary grief and headaches, even if it's not the 100% correct unquestionable truth.
There really is no point in making a relatively simple (in my case) thing into something overly-complicated. Most people still cuddle the same way and that's good enough for me.
Post by: George on July 18, 2015, 12:00:13 PM
I don't really care what gender a person is.
There's a name for that (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality)
There really is no point in making a relatively simple (in my case) thing into something overly-complicated. Most people still cuddle the same way and that's good enough for me.I gotta stand with Cheza here, it's not really fair to bother someone for not making a scene about their sexuality. It's not really a big deal, so why make it into one?
Post by: Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy") on July 18, 2015, 12:09:16 PM
I gotta stand with Cheza here, it's not really fair to bother someone for not making a scene about their sexuality. It's not really a big deal, so why make it into one?Just wanted to point that out lol
As for myself, while being on this topic, I have no idea what I am. Sure, I'm biologically female, so naturally most people refer to me as "she", and I'm ok with that, but I don't "feel" female, occasionally to the point where I fall into long periods of self-hate because "my body is wrong". Hence why I have no gender set on my profile. It's a rather hard to explain thing and not really relevant to this thing tho, so I'll just leave it at that. Sometimes when registering on forums and I'm able to set my gender to anything, I (jokingly) set it as "tomboy" tho, but that's more of a style than a gender as far as I can tell.I'm in same situation, except that I'm male.
I know my mom knows it (at least partially), because she noted that I'm highly feminine, while talking with dad.
Also my work colleagues tend to make rude jokes about my behavior.
Post by: Cheza on July 18, 2015, 12:49:00 PM
I guess it's easier for females to "get away" with something like this tho since noone else really reacts negatively to my behaviour or the way I dress at least. For males there's always those ridiculous "be like this or you're automatically gay"-expectations.
For what it's worth, you have my support tho.
Post by: MysticSolstice on July 20, 2015, 08:33:45 PM
Post by: Henri on July 20, 2015, 10:02:32 PM
Post by: Setcho on July 20, 2015, 10:13:07 PM
Post by: Zane the Fox on July 21, 2015, 02:37:56 PM
Post by: Akyra on July 21, 2015, 10:59:34 PM
Post by: Goblin Cat 😸 on July 22, 2015, 01:17:26 AM
My sexuality tends to be on the ace spectrum somewhere and despite having two partners, I'm aromantic. So, I guess I'm every gay of the rainbow here.
A few furs here sound like they are trans, even if questioning. I just want to say if you ever need anyone to talk to about said subject, you can PM me if you need. I might be able to give insight, and I don't mind clarifying if someone is questioning. Though I do think it's worth mentioning that cis people do not spend a lot of time figuring out if they are cis or not.
Anyway, back on topic here, the furry community tends to be made up of a lot of LGBT people from my experience.
Post by: Zane the Fox on July 22, 2015, 01:34:54 AM
Post by: Alistair on July 22, 2015, 03:24:47 AM
Post by: George on July 23, 2015, 08:25:25 AM
This spoils it, put that ghost away!
Post by: Henri on July 24, 2015, 12:47:16 PM
Post by: Grovygrunge on July 24, 2015, 09:20:02 PM
Post by: anoni on July 25, 2015, 08:23:13 AM
Post by: Setcho on July 25, 2015, 08:46:09 AM
Post by: George on July 25, 2015, 08:47:25 AM
Post by: Grovygrunge on July 25, 2015, 08:48:16 AM
is it safe *peaks head around the corner*
why wouldn't it be?
Post by: George on July 25, 2015, 09:00:31 AM
is it safe *peaks head around the corner*
why wouldn't it be?
Nic came out of lurking to harass Beryl for saying homosexuality isn't a choice. This thread is relevant to the topic.
Post by: Renefrade on July 25, 2015, 09:33:54 AM
Supporter.
Post by: Grovygrunge on July 25, 2015, 12:28:23 PM
But...erm...well...it isn't as far as I know... Why harass someone for saying that? Ah well, it's off topic anyway, so whatever.is it safe *peaks head around the corner*
why wouldn't it be?
Nic came out of lurking to harass Beryl for saying homosexuality isn't a choice. This thread is relevant to the topic.
Post by: anoni on July 25, 2015, 01:29:33 PM
Post by: Vikthefox on July 26, 2015, 03:38:26 AM
Post by: ★Amethyst★ on July 26, 2015, 05:03:01 AM
My sexuality isn't a very big deal to me, and honestly I don't feel it's necessary to broadcast it in real. If it comes up, sure I have no problem saying I'm bi but otherwise who cares who I want to have relationships with?
Also, like Cheza said earlier I'm biologically female but gender-wise I'm kinda...meh? I like stereotypically girly stuff like cute things, clothing, sewing, etc. But I also like more masculine things, especially in the form of crossdressing. I love men's fashion ^^' Honestly, gender never was a huge deal for me. I suppose I could be called something like bi-gender or genderfluid or whatnot, but I'm kind of wary of "weird tumblr genders" if that makes sense. That's why my fursona is androgynous I suppose, it just fits me better.
Post by: Renefrade on July 26, 2015, 08:46:20 AM
Post by: The Past on July 26, 2015, 02:41:25 PM
Amethyst, I'm the same for the most part, though not so much into stereotypical girly stuff. :P I typically say I'm agender female, if I want to be specific. I just feel like a general person mentally, if that makes sense. I still go by female pronouns since that's what I am biologically.
Post by: Goblin Cat 😸 on July 26, 2015, 07:09:52 PM
I'm asexual.
Amethyst, I'm the same for the most part, though not so much into stereotypical girly stuff. :P I typically say I'm agender female, if I want to be specific. I just feel like a general person mentally, if that makes sense. I still go by female pronouns since that's what I am biologically.
You guys could very well be a demi females. Though I think it's worth noting that things nor clothes do not have gender. Gender exists on a spectrum and not in a strict binary as many people have been socialized to believe. It's complicated. I've thought about making a thread all its own about gender, but I don't know if that's something anyone would be interested in because the discussion does happen in threads where sexuality comes up and there's so much information I wish I could share, it's just hard to do so while keeping on topic in threads like this.
Post by: Grovygrunge on July 26, 2015, 07:12:33 PM
Make a thread about it. I'm sure they'll be some interest. ^-^I'm asexual.
Amethyst, I'm the same for the most part, though not so much into stereotypical girly stuff. :P I typically say I'm agender female, if I want to be specific. I just feel like a general person mentally, if that makes sense. I still go by female pronouns since that's what I am biologically.
You guys could very well be a demi females. Though I think it's worth noting that things nor clothes do not have gender. Gender exists on a spectrum and not in a strict binary as many people have been socialized to believe. It's complicated. I've thought about making a thread all its own about gender, but I don't know if that's something anyone would be interested in because the discussion does happen in threads where sexuality comes up and there's so much information I wish I could share, it's just hard to do so while keeping on topic in threads like this.
Post by: The Past on July 26, 2015, 07:18:30 PM
I approve making a thread about it.
Post by: Zane the Fox on July 27, 2015, 10:07:14 AM
Post by: Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy") on July 27, 2015, 10:09:58 AM
http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=28829.0
Post by: Halei-Helai on July 28, 2015, 07:07:31 PM
I have always been amazed by how enormously welcoming the furry community is regarding LGBT stuff. There really are few other groups like that.
Post by: Karric on July 28, 2015, 11:48:40 PM
Post by: George on July 30, 2015, 11:53:48 AM
I'm trans and pretty much non-binary. It is pretty consistent though; I am something like 90% female and 10% male, give or take a percentage point or two.
You said you're non-binary and immediately described yourself as binary gender.
Post by: Halei-Helai on July 30, 2015, 12:59:49 PM
You said you're non-binary and immediately described yourself as binary gender.
Is that really what that is though? Gender is more a gradient than an either/or situation. I am towards the female end of the spectrum but not 100% there. That is true both for my gender identity, how I present, and what I have transitioned to. I am not really genderfluid if that is what you mean. My identity is absolutely consistent from one day to the next.
Post by: anoni on July 30, 2015, 02:29:41 PM
You said you're non-binary and immediately described yourself as binary gender.
Is that really what that is though? Gender is more a gradient than an either/or situation. I am towards the female end of the spectrum but not 100% there. That is true both for my gender identity, how I present, and what I have transitioned to. I am not really genderfluid if that is what you mean. My identity is absolutely consistent from one day to the next.
Binary means "1 or 0", not "90% and 10%" XD
Post by: Karric on July 30, 2015, 03:28:28 PM
Post by: Goblin Cat 😸 on July 30, 2015, 03:32:50 PM
I'm trans and pretty much non-binary. It is pretty consistent though; I am something like 90% female and 10% male, give or take a percentage point or two.
You said you're non-binary and immediately described yourself as binary gender.
Someone can present a certain way and still be non-binary. I present as masculine (or as they binary would put it, male) despite being agender, which is why it's not good to assume genders. Thankfully, I'm okay with male pronouns, so it's not a big deal, but the point is someone doesn't have to look in the middle or act in the middle to be nonbinary. If they consider themselves a mixture of both things, they are still non-binary. Most non-binary fall on binary terms to describe themselves because there are no other terms in play that people will acknowledge.
Post by: Halei-Helai on July 30, 2015, 05:22:04 PM
Post by: Renefrade on August 01, 2015, 07:18:05 AM
Post by: Celestial_Dragon on August 02, 2015, 04:57:54 AM
Post by: Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy") on August 02, 2015, 06:50:02 AM
Post by: Renefrade on August 02, 2015, 10:20:28 AM
Post by: tengu42 on August 02, 2015, 10:53:46 AM
My bf/future husband also presents himself in a heteronormative way.
As for others I know IRL, my friend, whom I will call S, is genderfluid, but is male presenting. Scince his (yes, he's okay with this pronoun) biological gender is male, people who don't know him wouldn't pick up on it.
Post by: CrazyCat on August 03, 2015, 12:08:35 AM
Post by: George on August 03, 2015, 07:15:03 AM
Dunno if you're allowed to have differing opinions on here, but I've actually been getting more and more sympathy for those against LGBT stuff. It's not that I'm against being able to love whoever, but being aggressive, cliquey, and/or overly outspoken about the matter isn't doing anybody any good. I've seen a lot of people whose Steam profiles that look like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/ezyvkZY.png)
I understand that you maybe want to meet others who are also gay/bi/whatever, but is it really fair to be exclusive and act like it makes you part of some sort of special club? People would get offended if you make "straight" or "cisgender" groups. I think one of the main reasons people are still opposed to homosexuality and being transgender is because of those with these adjectives make a scene of whatever they are. I don't care if someone is gay or whatever, but if they rub it in my face with borderline porn all the time and brag about their sex life, then I will gladly discriminate against you based on it, so yes, I am prejudiced against LGBT folks. I know this is a forum where that opinion will probably not be respected, but I feel the need to speak up in case others are made uncomfortable by this lack of acceptance. Rambling aside, I feel like most of the problem with LGBT issues in first-world countries comes from the behaviours of the outspoken members of the "community". Straight folks aren't exempt from this, if you rub your private matters in my face, I won't be happy with you either, but this thread is about LGBT so that's what I'll talk about. I've met quite a few people who make their LGBT status a big part of their identity as a person, and as a result don't give you a break from talking about sex or identity problems.
tl;dr I have a particular bias against the LGBT community because of the actions of its outspoken members. There are many who fit those categories but are not part of the "community" around it, and that's how I feel it should be in general. I'm fine with people who are lesbian, gay, bi, trans, etc., but I don't condone rubbing it in my face and/or using it as something to show off about.
Please keep what you do in private at least somewhat private.
Post by: The Past on August 03, 2015, 09:15:23 AM
Post by: Grovygrunge on August 03, 2015, 10:19:05 AM
Frankly, from what I've seen, that's the vocal minority, you shouldn't let them colour your opinion. Pretty sure most of us in this "community" actually hate people who act and talk like gay stereotypes because they're "expressing who they are". Personally I hate that too, especially that "gay accent" as it's a fake thing people put on, I don't get how that's expressing who you are as an individual.
So yeah tangent aside, you shouldn't necessarily hate the whole LGBT thing because of those people, but you can if you still want to I guess.
Post by: anoni on August 03, 2015, 10:25:04 AM
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So I generally understand where you're coming from, but at the same time I understand why these people are outspoken. Lets just sort-of break down the argument a bit and go through each level step-by-step.
Exclusivity: The first point you made is the idea of exclusivity, you said "I understand that you maybe want to meet others who are also gay/bi/whatever, but is it really fair to be exclusive and act like it makes you part of some sort of special club?". Now, as you may know, some LGBT people have a very tough time with their sexuality. Their parents may disagree with them, their friends may disagree with them, they may be bullied, threatened or even assaulted. I know at least two people who've become homeless from coming out about their sexuality (and this is 2 people in real LIFE not online). So based on this, it's understandable that some of these people would feel a bit reserved about talking about their sexuality with heterosexual people, because in their life when they HAVE done that, it's become a huge problem. The reason these people probably feel more comfortable with LGBT people is they can relate with these hardships to other LGBT people. Even if you aren't homophobic I hope you can understand why these people may feel the place is "unsafe" in a way with non-LGBT people around. That's why some LGBT groups are exclusively LGBT. Obviously, heterosexuals do not have the same experience as this so don't really have the same reason to make a heterosexual-exclusive club.
Gay-bragging: I believe what a lot of people consider "gay people being in their face" isn't really so, but rather there is a bias to look out for things that one is not used to and ignore things that one is. You say that gay people brag about their sex lives, but I think straight people do that too, in fact I would say straight people probably do it, on average, more than gay people. Straight people check out women all the time, talk about their experiences and even show pornographic material to their friends or not (DISCLAIMER: Obviously I don't mean all straight people, but a large subsection of them do!), it's not something that's exclusive to gay people however with gay people it's a lot more noticeable because it's not considered the norm and we notice abnormal things much more than normal things. I'll give you a personal example of this, I went to the opera house with my boyfriend and I kissed him for a picture shoot, we got a LOT of stares, I was ok with this but I was noticing that everyone was staring at us. I'm sure a few people were posting on social media and what-not "More gays just pushing their gayness in public" and what-not, meanwhile two other straight couples had done the same thing, with no where near as many stares. People just notice abnormal things more I think.
It's funny cause, this sort of goes to a post I saw. Now not saying you're homophobic in any regard but I'm just posting the exact quote (which uses the word homophobic). "Homophobia is the fear that men will treat men the way men treat women".
Now all this said, I'm not saying I entirely disagree with you. I'm not a person who is sensitive about my sexuality, a lot of the time people mistake me for being heterosexual or asexual cause I'm very lax about it. I'm not an activist, I don't get offended if people say fag or whatnot, I'm completely fine with being treated like anyone else. But this post wasn't for me, it was for other people that I know AREN'T fine with that and have, I feel, legitimate reasons to not be fine with this stuff.
Post by: George on August 03, 2015, 10:35:12 AM
I'm sure a few people were posting on social media and what-not "More gays just pushing their gayness in public" and what-not, meanwhile two other straight couples had done the same thing, with no where near as many stares.Straight couples and guys and whatever pushing their stuff in my face is just as annoying. I never said they're allowed to do the same kind of stuff. XP I just think it's not relevant enough to bring up in this thread, it's an LGBT thread, not a "rant about things that annoy you" thread!
Post by: anoni on August 03, 2015, 10:41:52 AM
Who's to say I meant everyone? I tried to make it clear that I was only referring to the types who do this kind of behaviour. The other thing...I'm sure a few people were posting on social media and what-not "More gays just pushing their gayness in public" and what-not, meanwhile two other straight couples had done the same thing, with no where near as many stares.Straight couples and guys and whatever pushing their stuff in my face is just as annoying. I never said they're allowed to do the same kind of stuff. XP I just think it's not relevant enough to bring up in this thread, it's an LGBT thread, not a "rant about things that annoy you" thread!
Yeah but you specifically used it as an argument to talk about having a bias against LGBT people xD So perhaps you should change your argument to "I have a bias for over sensitive people", because really that's what most people have a bias against. They say they hate feminists, they hate transgender people, they hate LGBT people, but really the main reasons they give for this sort of hate isn't because the feminist, or their transgender or their LGBT, but because some of these people tend to be over-sensitive xD
Post by: George on August 03, 2015, 10:45:46 AM
Who's to say I meant everyone? I tried to make it clear that I was only referring to the types who do this kind of behaviour. The other thing...I'm sure a few people were posting on social media and what-not "More gays just pushing their gayness in public" and what-not, meanwhile two other straight couples had done the same thing, with no where near as many stares.Straight couples and guys and whatever pushing their stuff in my face is just as annoying. I never said they're allowed to do the same kind of stuff. XP I just think it's not relevant enough to bring up in this thread, it's an LGBT thread, not a "rant about things that annoy you" thread!
Yeah but you specifically used it as an argument to talk about having a bias against LGBT people xD So perhaps you should change your argument to "I have a bias for over sensitive people", because really that's what most people have a bias against. They say they hate feminists, they hate transgender people, they hate LGBT people, but really the main reasons they give for this sort of hate isn't because the feminist, or their transgender or their LGBT, but because some of these people tend to be over-sensitive xD
Well, it's the cause of my bias. I'm always kind of disappointed when I meet someone and find out they're gay or whatever, as bad as that sounds. It's a bit like if there's some food that happens to make you sick most times you eat it, you'll be reluctant to eat it again.
Post by: anoni on August 03, 2015, 11:21:28 AM
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Well, it's the cause of my bias. I'm always kind of disappointed when I meet someone and find out they're gay or whatever, as bad as that sounds. It's a bit like if there's some food that happens to make you sick most times you eat it, you'll be reluctant to eat it again.
Yeah, so you've established the reason for your bias is because of a loud minority and it's caused by oversensitivity that you relate to LGBT. So I hope you understand that the bias is more a problem with you, than a problem with the LGBT community as a whole. Cause you've admitted you're misrepresenting the large group of people based on the people who you feel are oversensitive.
Post by: George on August 03, 2015, 11:36:28 AM
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Well, it's the cause of my bias. I'm always kind of disappointed when I meet someone and find out they're gay or whatever, as bad as that sounds. It's a bit like if there's some food that happens to make you sick most times you eat it, you'll be reluctant to eat it again.
Yeah, so you've established the reason for your bias is because of a loud minority and it's caused by oversensitivity that you relate to LGBT. So I hope you understand that the bias is more a problem with you, than a problem with the LGBT community as a whole. Cause you've admitted you're misrepresenting the large group of people based on the people who you feel are oversensitive.
Yeah, pretty much. 0nce again, it's a bias and not an outright hatred, so it's nothing that'll actually hurt anyone. I just get tired of people who introduce themselves with their sexuality, then have blatantly sexual stuff all over their pages and whatnot. LGBT or otherwise, it's no fun to have someone make a scene about what they like and/or do in private.
Post by: Celestial_Dragon on August 03, 2015, 12:35:39 PM
I think, and 100% agree, individuals need to believe that there is someone just like them somewhere and that they respects and believe in them and that there actually a valuable member of the global community. A slight majority of LGBT individuals state that they have never outright met someone who is openly homosexual themselves, i for example have never met anyone who is gay in my entire life, though i am friends with a female who isn't interested in man or woman she really doesn't care. Those individuals like myself need to see that they aren't alone, especially kids and teenagers who have to deal with religious and bigotry influence in their life, who wants to force these Young individuals to think that there the odd ones out. Being isolated can destroy almost anyone....
This topic always pisses me of, this and anything that would be stated as racist or anti-equality
Post by: Halei-Helai on August 03, 2015, 02:10:02 PM
I travel heavily in gay and trans subcultures. Sometimes it makes my head spin too. Gay bars and gay pride events blast loud pop music, have a lot of pent-up sexuality on full display, and feature outfits and costumes that make you scratch your head while it makes your head spin. Yeah, I find it crazy and more than a little extreme, but I totally get why these things are the way they are.
I will use the USA as an example here. For all the progress that LGBT people have made legally, we still have a long way to go socially with regards to acceptance. We live in a straight world. Straight love is held up as a normal, and perhaps even ideal thing. Straight couples can routinely get away with public displays of affection ranging from holding hands to kissing. Gay couples can get shouted down or physically assaulted (like what recently happened to a lesbian couple for kissing at Six Flags New England). Depictions of straight love are EVERYWHERE in books, music, television shows, movies, and works of visual art. Depictions of gay love, even in a non-explicit way, often provoke scandal at best, and provoke venomous scorn and condemnation at worst. Sure, Fifty Shades of Grey sold millions, but if somebody wrote Fifty Shades of Gay that book probably wouldn't even have found a serious publisher. Accusations of a person being gay, particularly directed towards men, are viewed as an insult and a challenge to their masculinity, and this is still a very common "joke" in modern media because being gay is still far less desirable than being straight.
In a society where gay people are still being chased underground, is it really that big of a surprise that celebrations of our identity tend to become as loud spoken as they are? Gay pride isn't a thing because we think being gay is the most awesome thing ever and we can't wait to tell you about it. Gay pride is a thing because we are affirming our right to exist and our right to love and our right to be who we are openly.
So yes, we drench ourselves in rainbow colors and associate in every LGBT group we can find. We flaunt our flagrant sexuality in peoples' faces when we dare to hold hands in public, and gay pride festivals will probably leave you blind and deaf for a week. If society will let us out of the closet that we have all collectively been shoved in, then I guarantee you that our need to assert our existence with Katy Perry and rainbow speedos will become a lot less intense.
We'll probably still stick with Katy Perry no matter what though.
Post by: Celestial_Dragon on August 04, 2015, 08:51:41 AM
Perhaps a bit late to this, but I would like to add to the discussion that Billy began.
I travel heavily in gay and trans subcultures. Sometimes it makes my head spin too. Gay bars and gay pride events blast loud pop music, have a lot of pent-up sexuality on full display, and feature outfits and costumes that make you scratch your head while it makes your head spin. Yeah, I find it crazy and more than a little extreme, but I totally get why these things are the way they are.
I will use the USA as an example here. For all the progress that LGBT people have made legally, we still have a long way to go socially with regards to acceptance. We live in a straight world. Straight love is held up as a normal, and perhaps even ideal thing. Straight couples can routinely get away with public displays of affection ranging from holding hands to kissing. Gay couples can get shouted down or physically assaulted (like what recently happened to a lesbian couple for kissing at Six Flags New England). Depictions of straight love are EVERYWHERE in books, music, television shows, movies, and works of visual art. Depictions of gay love, even in a non-explicit way, often provoke scandal at best, and provoke venomous scorn and condemnation at worst. Sure, Fifty Shades of Grey sold millions, but if somebody wrote Fifty Shades of Gay that book probably wouldn't even have found a serious publisher. Accusations of a person being gay, particularly directed towards men, are viewed as an insult and a challenge to their masculinity, and this is still a very common "joke" in modern media because being gay is still far less desirable than being straight.
In a society where gay people are still being chased underground, is it really that big of a surprise that celebrations of our identity tend to become as loud spoken as they are? Gay pride isn't a thing because we think being gay is the most awesome thing ever and we can't wait to tell you about it. Gay pride is a thing because we are affirming our right to exist and our right to love and our right to be who we are openly.
So yes, we drench ourselves in rainbow colors and associate in every LGBT group we can find. We flaunt our flagrant sexuality in peoples' faces when we dare to hold hands in public, and gay pride festivals will probably leave you blind and deaf for a week. If society will let us out of the closet that we have all collectively been shoved in, then I guarantee you that our need to assert our existence with Katy Perry and rainbow speedos will become a lot less intense.
We'll probably still stick with Katy Perry no matter what though.
*Claps hands furiously*
"bloody brilliant"
*stops*
" i just hate it, this topic, it makes me so mad sometimes.
Post by: George on August 04, 2015, 09:54:35 AM
Yes, it's a horrible experience to be gay in Uganda, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and other stricter countries, but T0NS of things are horrible there. It's just one thing among many. Here, in the more developed countries, it's barely even an issue.
Don't make it into one.
Post by: Grovygrunge on August 04, 2015, 11:09:30 AM
Ya'll act like it's some sort of secret cult to be gay. There's a huge difference between the folks who like the same gender and people who make it into something taboo. I've lived a few places in the US, and I've only talked to two people so far who actually have issues with homosexuality itself. I've seen nobody scream slurs at the gay couples I've seen, and I've met nobody who's afraid of people knowing about what gender they like. I'm starting to think this is made into a much bigger deal online and in the media than it really is, kind of like pretty much every other social justice issue.Bruh, it won't be an issue when it's an equal playing field which will pretty much never happen. That said let us drop this issue please. This particular topic is getting drawn out an honestly it's slightly ridiculous at this point.
Yes, it's a horrible experience to be gay in Uganda, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and other stricter countries, but T0NS of things are horrible there. It's just one thing among many. Here, in the more developed countries, it's barely even an issue.
Don't make it into one.
Post by: Goblin Cat 😸 on August 04, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
Ya'll act like it's some sort of secret cult to be gay. There's a huge difference between the folks who like the same gender and people who make it into something taboo. I've lived a few places in the US, and I've only talked to two people so far who actually have issues with homosexuality itself. I've seen nobody scream slurs at the gay couples I've seen, and I've met nobody who's afraid of people knowing about what gender they like. I'm starting to think this is made into a much bigger deal online and in the media than it really is, kind of like pretty much every other social justice issue.
Yes, it's a horrible experience to be gay in Uganda, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and other stricter countries, but T0NS of things are horrible there. It's just one thing among many. Here, in the more developed countries, it's barely even an issue.
Don't make it into one.
It must be nice to be blissfully unaware. As someone who has never made it into an issue, I've had trash thrown at me as well as slurs and at the worst of it got harassed out of college thanks to bigotry irl, so don't tell me it's not an issue until someone makes it one. I've never done anything to deserve or provoke, I was merely picked on for being myself.
Post by: Halei-Helai on August 04, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
Ya'll act like it's some sort of secret cult to be gay. There's a huge difference between the folks who like the same gender and people who make it into something taboo. I've lived a few places in the US, and I've only talked to two people so far who actually have issues with homosexuality itself. I've seen nobody scream slurs at the gay couples I've seen, and I've met nobody who's afraid of people knowing about what gender they like. I'm starting to think this is made into a much bigger deal online and in the media than it really is, kind of like pretty much every other social justice issue.
Yes, it's a horrible experience to be gay in Uganda, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and other stricter countries, but T0NS of things are horrible there. It's just one thing among many. Here, in the more developed countries, it's barely even an issue.
Don't make it into one.
Being gay isn't like being in a cult but sadly a lot of people think it is and use that against LGBT people.
And I have never seen a million dollars of cash in person but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just sayin'.
Post by: kalan on August 04, 2015, 03:44:59 PM
Post by: George on August 05, 2015, 08:44:29 AM
It depends on where you live. California say is obviously gonna be more accepting than here in northern Minnesota. Here weve had people beat almst to death because of it. Evryday I keep it quiet is one more day I live
This is why I brought up location, it's a huge factor in this all. I did generalize a bit much by saying the US instead of just the nicer states, I'll admit.
Post by: Renefrade on August 05, 2015, 05:26:57 PM
Post by: George on August 06, 2015, 01:02:15 AM
I am pansexual apparently.So much for deciding to be gay. XD
Post by: Nautilus567 on August 06, 2015, 02:24:54 AM
Post by: anoni on August 06, 2015, 02:55:15 AM
Stay on-topic, meet and greet, no more arguing about this stuff please. If you have any questions or objections, please PM them to me, DO NOT post them in this thread
Post by: Celestial_Dragon on August 06, 2015, 04:28:48 AM
Anyway I am a bisexual dragon and I want to meet other like me
Post by: kalan on August 06, 2015, 04:33:15 AM
Post by: Babydoll Animis on August 06, 2015, 05:24:01 AM
Post by: kalan on August 06, 2015, 05:26:55 AM
*hugs*
Post by: Babydoll Animis on August 06, 2015, 05:27:55 AM
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Post by: kalan on August 06, 2015, 05:45:35 AM
Post by: Renefrade on August 06, 2015, 06:50:22 AM
I dunno. Its half true [removed content].I am pansexual apparently.So much for deciding to be gay. XD
But its more nice to like a person mostly. So i am carefree aslong as i really like that person ^^. So gender doesnt matter in a way.
Post by: Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy") on August 11, 2015, 12:01:57 PM
I like masturbating and in that regard I'm heteroflexible/bicurious, but I don't feel like I want to have a girl/boyfriend. I'm not interested in relationships at all and I also don't feel like I would want to have sex with someone else.
I'm both asexual and non-asexual at the same time.
What the hell is wrong with me? >.<
Post by: Celestial_Dragon on August 11, 2015, 12:14:58 PM
Post by: Grovygrunge on August 11, 2015, 12:21:54 PM
I have a problem.Sounds more like you're aromantic. You just don't want a relationship.
I like masturbating and in that regard I'm heteroflexible/bicurious, but I don't feel like I want to have a girl/boyfriend. I'm not interested in relationships at all and I also don't feel like I would want to have sex with someone else.
I'm both asexual and non-asexual at the same time.
What the hell is wrong with me? >.<
Post by: Goblin Cat 😸 on August 11, 2015, 11:09:16 PM
obey its called being human...
Being human isn't amounted to the amount of sex that one does or doesn't want to have. I'm asexual and aromantic and not desiring either of those things doesn't make me less human. As Grovy said, though, it sounds like you're aromantic, Obey. Just because you masturbate doesn't mean you're any less asexual. Asexual means you have no sexual attraction to people. You can still have sex, masturbate, etc. So long as you don't have sexual attraction to others, you're ace.
Post by: tengu42 on August 13, 2015, 10:12:45 AM
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Post by: Renefrade on August 14, 2015, 06:46:23 PM
Post by: Celestial_Dragon on August 18, 2015, 11:08:03 AM
Post by: The Past on August 18, 2015, 12:04:03 PM
Sometimes i feel asexual. I suffer from depression at times. Sometimes i just need someone to talk with :/
It's completely normal to not feel in the mood for sexual things all the time. In fact, if you were non-stop interested, it could be worrying. :P
Post by: TheEndIsNearUs on August 18, 2015, 02:39:49 PM
Short answer is I'm a gay ace dude.
Long answer is that I'm an androromantic demisexual trans man.
Yo.
Post by: Dax Declan on August 18, 2015, 07:26:35 PM
Post by: Grovygrunge on August 19, 2015, 05:38:14 PM
Post by: Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy") on August 19, 2015, 05:58:51 PM
So I'm just wondering here but, does anyone else here believe in the fluidity of sexuality? As in, do you see sexuality as non-linear like we are made to believe for most of our lives? I personally do, sexuality isn't gay, straight and bi that's it. In fact I kinda believe that these labels aren't even really true, they are just labels to describe where you lie on the spectrum and that very few people are at the extreme ends of straight and gay. Basically the belief that everyone is just different shades of bi or pan and just label it due to the way we are taught it works.Repost this to the straight topic and wait for the shitstorm.
Post by: Grovygrunge on August 19, 2015, 06:00:07 PM
Post by: anoni on August 20, 2015, 01:44:14 PM
So I'm just wondering here but, does anyone else here believe in the fluidity of sexuality? As in, do you see sexuality as non-linear like we are made to believe for most of our lives? I personally do, sexuality isn't gay, straight and bi that's it. In fact I kinda believe that these labels aren't even really true, they are just labels to describe where you lie on the spectrum and that very few people are at the extreme ends of straight and gay. Basically the belief that everyone is just different shades of bi or pan and just label it due to the way we are taught it works.
I believe sexuality is fluid, but I also believe that there are levels of attraction that turn one from being "Bisexual" to being "Homosexual" or "Heterosexual". I follow the Kindsey scale, the view that sexuality has, in general, 7 steps.
0 = Exclusively heterosexual (Hetero)
1 = Mostly heterosexual with incidental homosexual attraction(Still call this hetero)
2 = Mostly heterosexual with more than incidental homosexual behavior (I'd call this bisexual)
3 = Equal attraction to same and opposite sex (Bisexual)
4 = Mostly homosexual with more than incidental heterosexual attraction (I'd call this bisexual still)
5 = Homosexual with incidental heterosexual attraction (This I'd classify as homosexual)
6 = Exclusively homosexual.
You can expand this to any arbirtary N-levels, with more levels making your sexual description more accurate, but you're forced to either make your classifications stricter or make new classifications. I actually wrote somewhere in my journal a system with 25 levels xD
Here's the model I posted (The "Hetero/bisexual" and "Homo/bisexual" boundaries basically mean that the boundary exists within these numbers, but is not entirely certain. It's almost personal or situational based)
---Heterosexual------Hetero/bisexual-----------bisexual---------------homo/bisexual----------homosexual------
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 - 20 - 21 - 22 - 23 - 24 - 25
Post by: Celestial_Dragon on August 20, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
could you do religion stuff thats my weakest area at school, i really dont care about that stuff.
On a side nice post
Post by: Sergie The Sergon on August 21, 2015, 03:20:28 PM
Post by: Karric on August 26, 2015, 04:05:38 PM
I just imagined your avatar writing this on a chalk board and teaching us.lol same
could you do religion stuff thats my weakest area at school, i really dont care about that stuff.
On a side nice post
Post by: ★Amethyst★ on August 27, 2015, 02:45:33 AM
On another note, I find myself having pretty high standards when looking around for potential partners, at least in terms of looks. I hate possibly being shallow, but the kind of traits I'm attracted to in either gender just seem pretty rare :/ I also feel like I'd have a hard time flirting with, let alone finding, a girl who's sexuality is compatible with me around here. but hey, I'm not in a hurry so I'll be patient and try to do my best ^^' do you guys ever have issues like that?
Post by: anoni on August 27, 2015, 07:43:55 AM
For example, I'm not attracted to "bears", that's hairy overweight men. I can still be good friends with bears, there's nothing wrong with that, but I can't find myself physically attracted to them. There are some people on the internet who would say that not finding someone attractive based on their weight is offensive and "fattist", but it's something that I physically can't really control.
Post by: George on August 27, 2015, 07:53:27 AM
I think there's a bit of a movement going around that's sort of like, "You shouldn't be attracted to physical traits but emotional traits", but I think that's sort of impossible.]
For example, I'm not attracted to "bears", that's hairy overweight men. I can still be good friends with bears, there's nothing wrong with that, but I can't find myself physically attracted to them. There are some people on the internet who would say that not finding someone attractive based on their weight is offensive and "fattist", but it's something that I physically can't really control.
People also need to realize mating drive is the reason love even exists. Sexual selection is very heavily influenced by physical traits. Very heavily.
Post by: Karric on August 27, 2015, 04:29:27 PM
I think there's a bit of a movement going around that's sort of like, "You shouldn't be attracted to physical traits but emotional traits", but I think that's sort of impossible.]
For example, I'm not attracted to "bears", that's hairy overweight men. I can still be good friends with bears, there's nothing wrong with that, but I can't find myself physically attracted to them. There are some people on the internet who would say that not finding someone attractive based on their weight is offensive and "fattist", but it's something that I physically can't really control.
People also need to realize mating drive is the reason love even exists. Sexual selection is very heavily influenced by physical traits. Very heavily.
i agree
i also cant find myself attracted to bears as well and on the scale id say im 25
Post by: NautilusWolf on August 29, 2015, 04:27:56 AM
So I'm just wondering here but, does anyone else here believe in the fluidity of sexuality? As in, do you see sexuality as non-linear like we are made to believe for most of our lives? I personally do, sexuality isn't gay, straight and bi that's it. In fact I kinda believe that these labels aren't even really true, they are just labels to describe where you lie on the spectrum and that very few people are at the extreme ends of straight and gay. Basically the belief that everyone is just different shades of bi or pan and just label it due to the way we are taught it works.Repost this to the straight topic and wait for the shitstorm.
OH GOD.
That would be hilarious as hell
Post by: George on August 29, 2015, 08:05:11 AM
So I'm just wondering here but, does anyone else here believe in the fluidity of sexuality? As in, do you see sexuality as non-linear like we are made to believe for most of our lives? I personally do, sexuality isn't gay, straight and bi that's it. In fact I kinda believe that these labels aren't even really true, they are just labels to describe where you lie on the spectrum and that very few people are at the extreme ends of straight and gay. Basically the belief that everyone is just different shades of bi or pan and just label it due to the way we are taught it works.Repost this to the straight topic and wait for the shitstorm.
OH GOD.
That would be hilarious as hell
It happens, with results you'd be very disappointed in. People took it as mature adults.
Post by: yo on August 29, 2015, 09:09:28 AM
Post by: Grovygrunge on August 29, 2015, 04:35:34 PM
It happens, with results you'd be very disappointed in. People took it as mature adults.Wow, it's almost as if the people over there are mature adults and teens. Whereas over here we have some people who aren't exactly as mature. I bet there'd be a problem if a straight person posted in this thread but when we post in there saying hi they're like "'eeeeey cool. S'up?"
Post by: yo on August 29, 2015, 05:16:19 PM
Post by: Grovygrunge on August 29, 2015, 05:20:01 PM
Grovygrunge... You're a straightist!A-are you kidding? I seriously hope you're kidding.
Post by: HollowOfHaze on August 29, 2015, 05:49:14 PM
It happens, with results you'd be very disappointed in. People took it as mature adults.Wow, it's almost as if the people over there are mature adults and teens. Whereas over here we have some people who aren't exactly as mature. I bet there'd be a problem if a straight person posted in this thread but when we post in there saying hi they're like "'eeeeey cool. S'up?"
I am straight. I started the Straight thread actually, and I'm glad that everyone over there has been civil recently. How is everyone?
Post by: yo on August 29, 2015, 09:27:19 PM
Post by: NautilusWolf on August 29, 2015, 11:07:03 PM
Post by: CrazyCat on August 30, 2015, 02:42:25 AM
So I'm just wondering here but, does anyone else here believe in the fluidity of sexuality? As in, do you see sexuality as non-linear like we are made to believe for most of our lives? I personally do, sexuality isn't gay, straight and bi that's it. In fact I kinda believe that these labels aren't even really true, they are just labels to describe where you lie on the spectrum and that very few people are at the extreme ends of straight and gay. Basically the belief that everyone is just different shades of bi or pan and just label it due to the way we are taught it works.Repost this to the straight topic and wait for the shitstorm.
OH GOD.
That would be hilarious as hell
post it on /pol/ ya pussies xD
Post by: George on August 30, 2015, 05:30:30 AM
See THAT is where you'll get some interesting responses.So I'm just wondering here but, does anyone else here believe in the fluidity of sexuality? As in, do you see sexuality as non-linear like we are made to believe for most of our lives? I personally do, sexuality isn't gay, straight and bi that's it. In fact I kinda believe that these labels aren't even really true, they are just labels to describe where you lie on the spectrum and that very few people are at the extreme ends of straight and gay. Basically the belief that everyone is just different shades of bi or pan and just label it due to the way we are taught it works.Repost this to the straight topic and wait for the shitstorm.
OH GOD.
That would be hilarious as hell
post it on /pol/ ya pussies xD
Post by: Seko on September 01, 2015, 10:31:42 PM
So I'm just wondering here but, does anyone else here believe in the fluidity of sexuality? As in, do you see sexuality as non-linear like we are made to believe for most of our lives? I personally do, sexuality isn't gay, straight and bi that's it. In fact I kinda believe that these labels aren't even really true, they are just labels to describe where you lie on the spectrum and that very few people are at the extreme ends of straight and gay. Basically the belief that everyone is just different shades of bi or pan and just label it due to the way we are taught it works.Repost this to the straight topic and wait for the shitstorm.
As Grovy touched upon with his post...Non-binary sexuality doesn't mean that straight people don't exist. We need terminologies for generalised sexuality, regardless of whether or not it's a fluid thing. If you very largely prefer the opposite gender, you're still straight, even if someone likes the opposite gender -MORE- or -LESS- than you. It really just provides some people that have never felt any existing words apply to them to have the opportunity to own a term that helps them to identify and find happiness.
Post by: HollowOfHaze on September 04, 2015, 07:00:36 AM
This forum has given me a much broader perspective on life than I would have gotten elsewhere, and I am grateful for that in a way that cannot be expressed through text. I am glad to be here with all of you, and I continue to do my best to respect all people as they should be respected.
Post by: allis_kitty on September 08, 2015, 12:56:53 AM
Post by: HollowOfHaze on September 08, 2015, 12:58:18 AM
Post by: allis_kitty on September 08, 2015, 01:09:52 AM
Can you please explain the term "omnisexual" to me? Is it similar to pansexuality?Pretty much. I love anything that is human or furry as long as they have a good personality and are nice. I don't care much about looks.
Post by: HollowOfHaze on September 08, 2015, 01:11:59 AM
Post by: The Past on September 08, 2015, 06:54:19 AM
Post by: anoni on September 08, 2015, 12:24:46 PM
Isn't omnisexually similar or basically the same as demisexuality?
Nope. But I think what allis_kitty is referring to is demisexual
Demisexual is being incapable of being sexually attracted to a person unless you have a strong emotional bond with them. IE: You can only be sexually attracted to those you are emotionally attracted to.
Omnisexual means the same thing as pansexual, which means you have the capacity to be sexually attracted to anyone regardless of sex or gender, including intersex and others.
Post by: The Past on September 08, 2015, 12:59:47 PM
Post by: HagenK on September 08, 2015, 02:12:20 PM
Post by: anoni on September 08, 2015, 02:18:12 PM
i dont get why so many furries are gay
You'd be surprised how little furries are. Most surveys show that there are still MORE straight furries than gay furries, however there are more Bisexual furries than both straight or gay. LGBT furries do outnumber non-LGBT furries, but only ~20% of the fandom identifies identify as gay, with 35-40% identifying as bi/pan or some variation there-of.
Post by: HagenK on September 08, 2015, 02:25:08 PM
Post by: anoni on September 08, 2015, 02:33:31 PM
I originally joined LGBT forums but it seemed really bad, it was like "You're gay and that's the most important aspect of you and that's how we'll define you", I'm not much of a person who follows the stereotypical gay lifestyle, and a lot of people on that forum were, so I couldn't relate to them at all and it made me feel uncomfortable to be alienated.
The furry community seemed to not care about your sexuality, you could be gay, straight, bi, trans, pan, demi, whatever, nobody cared, it didn't mean anything and it was exactly what I was looking for in a community of acceptance. Where you can be open with, but not defined by, your sexuality.
Maybe that's what attracts a lot of other gay people to the fandom? Who knows!
Post by: HagenK on September 08, 2015, 03:24:54 PM
Post by: Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy") on September 08, 2015, 03:29:53 PM
Interesting idea, anoni, however it's hard to believe that lgbt could be a selling point of furry community. I mean what's so gay about people in animal costumes? It's more asexual or zoo for me. Furries are friendly and welcome everyone? Maybe. But if sexuality is not so important then why cant other communities accept you? They dont need to know every tiny detail about your personal life. Also the whole male to female ratio anomaly is another mistery too.It's just how it is. It became that on it's own.
Post by: Halei-Helai on September 08, 2015, 04:11:08 PM
i dont get why so many furries are gay
Why is the sky blue?
Post by: Grovygrunge on September 08, 2015, 04:22:43 PM
Why is the sky blue?The sunlit sky is blue because air scatters short-wavelength light more than longer wavelengths. Since blue light is at the short wavelength end of the visible spectrum, it is more strongly scattered in the atmosphere than long wavelength red light. The result is that the human eye perceives blue when looking toward parts of the sky other than the sun.
XD Welcome
Post by: George on September 08, 2015, 10:37:51 PM
:o
The furry community seemed to not care about your sexuality, you could be gay, straight, bi, trans, pan, demi, whatever, nobody cared, it didn't mean anything and it was exactly what I was looking for in a community of acceptance. Where you can be open with, but not defined by, your sexuality.
Maybe that's what attracts a lot of other gay people to the fandom? Who knows!
That's brilliant!
Post by: anoni on September 09, 2015, 03:27:26 PM
Why is the sky blue?The sunlit sky is blue because air scatters short-wavelength light more than longer wavelengths. Since blue light is at the short wavelength end of the visible spectrum, it is more strongly scattered in the atmosphere than long wavelength red light. The result is that the human eye perceives blue when looking toward parts of the sky other than the sun.
XD Welcome
If shorter wavelengths are scattered more than longer wavelengths, why isn't the sky violet? :P
Interesting idea, anoni, however it's hard to believe that lgbt could be a selling point of furry community. I mean what's so gay about people in animal costumes? It's more asexual or zoo for me. Furries are friendly and welcome everyone? Maybe. But if sexuality is not so important then why cant other communities accept you? They dont need to know every tiny detail about your personal life. Also the whole male to female ratio anomaly is another mistery too.
Sexuality isn't ignored in the furry community but it isn't condemned or focused on. For example, if I have a boyfriend, there's gonna be a lot of conversations that involve my boyfriend, topics just go up like that. I want to be able to say "hey yeah my boyfriend did that too" rather than "hey yeah my... errr... friend... did that too". But if I said that in other communities, they might be like "Oh your gay? That's so weird, you don't seem the type!" etc, etc, etc. So it offers a very nice view of sexuality and openness.
Post by: HagenK on September 09, 2015, 05:13:16 PM
Can't argue with your logic, anoni
Post by: Grovygrunge on September 09, 2015, 05:36:39 PM
If shorter wavelengths are scattered more than longer wavelengths, why isn't the sky violet? :PI copied it from a Wikipedia article man, come on. I'm not that smart.
Post by: MegaMutt on September 09, 2015, 06:31:47 PM
Post by: Wolxikin on September 10, 2015, 10:34:51 PM
The answer, explained fully for the first time in a new scientific paper, is in the eye of the beholder.
"The traditional way that people teach this subject is that sunlight is scattered — more so for shorter wavelengths than for longer ones," says Glenn Smith, an engineering professor at Georgia Tech. "The other half of the explanation is usually left out: how your eye perceives this spectrum."
While writing a physics textbook some years ago, Smith noticed that physiology usually gets short shrift, even though the spectrum of skylight — when analyzed — is about equal parts violet and blue.
Smith has written an article for the July issue of the American Journal of Physics that puts the physics of light together with the physiology of human vision.
"This is nothing that people who work with eyes haven't known for a long time," Smith told LiveScience. "I just had not seen it all in one place before."
The physics behind seeing blue skies
The physical explanation for the blueness of the sky is attributed to the work of Lord Rayleigh in the 19th century.
As a common prism reveals, sunlight is made of all the colors of the rainbow. When light from the sun enters Earth's atmosphere, it is scattered, or deflected, by molecules in the atmosphere — primarily nitrogen and oxygen.
Shorter wavelengths (blue and violet) are scattered more than longer wavelengths (red and yellow). So as we look in a direction of the sky away from the sun, we see those wavelengths that are bent the most.
The light of day is actually a complex spectrum of many different wavelengths, but it is dominated by light with wavelengths between 400 nanometers (violet) and 450 nanometers (blue). A nanometer is 1 billionth of a meter.
How the eye sees color
The human eye is sensitive to light between roughly 380 and 740 nanometers. On a typical retina, there are 10 million rods for sensing low light levels and 5 million cones for detecting color.
Each cone contains pigments that restrict the range of wavelengths that the cone responds to. There are three varieties of cones for long, medium and short wavelengths.
"You need all three of them to see color correctly," Smith explained.
The peak response for the long cones is at 570 nanometers (yellow), medium at 543 nanometers (green), and short at 442 nanometers (between violet and blue). But the three cones are sensitive over broad, overlapping wavelength ranges, which means two different spectra can cause the same response in a set of various cones.
A good example of this is yellow. There is a certain narrow range of wavelengths that we might call "pure" yellow (or another for "pure" blue, and so on). However, the same set of cones that reacts to a light of pure yellow also responds to the superposition of pure red and pure green light.
The sky's light plays tricks
Two spectra that have the same cone response are called metamers. Smith stressed that this only concerns the neural signal coming out of the eye — long before any processing by the brain.
"In previous research, people excised cones from the eyes of dead people and measured the response to different spectra," he said.
The same "trick" that makes red and green turn into yellow is happening in the sky. But in this case, the sky's combination of violet and blue elicits the same cone response as pure blue plus white light, which is an equal mixture of all the colors.
"Your eye can't tell the difference between that complex spectrum and one that is a mixture of pure blue and white," Smith said.
In other animals, the sky color is undoubtedly different. Outside of humans and some other primates, most animals have only two types of cones instead of three (dichromatic vs. trichromatic).
Honeybees and some birds see at ultraviolet wavelengths that are invisible to humans.
Your welcome, anoni XP
Post by: Celestial_Dragon on September 10, 2015, 10:48:58 PM
Post by: George on September 13, 2015, 01:06:36 AM
!Pun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKdcjJoXeEY#)
Post by: HagenK on September 13, 2015, 07:05:50 AM
Post by: Calypso on September 14, 2015, 01:19:46 AM
Post by: Dubaku on September 14, 2015, 02:02:25 PM
Post by: Karric on September 14, 2015, 04:39:49 PM
But this thread is AB0UT physics. Specifically, how magnetic polarity doesn't apply the same to all matter. Sometimes opposites don't attract, sometimes they do.
!Pun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKdcjJoXeEY#)
haha i love the explanation :D
Post by: Indiveren on September 14, 2015, 11:49:48 PM