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Title: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: Fenox Helkiin on January 04, 2015, 05:55:48 PM
So I'm gonna start to try and draw more often. Hopefully I'll get better and confident enough to try and draw anthros and ferals at some point but till then I'm just going to try and draw random things. :P

First one this year is a fox paw with a few different things about it. I'll post it when I'm finished. For now here's what it looks like at the moment. :3
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/04/b0edb5d8a3fcbcca88a0140d77076e69.jpg)
Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: Fenox Helkiin on January 04, 2015, 06:27:03 PM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/04/643876e79c77c01740868e092fb5e2c0.jpg)
Done! :D
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Post by: SilverSolstive on January 11, 2015, 02:41:10 AM
That's really nice. I like the lightness if thats the word.

I will find you, and I...will...HUG YOU!!

Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 08, 2015, 08:35:07 PM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/08/0d4d2bcca1f5f2138e595ed91808680a.jpg)
This was the last traditional style drawing I did.

 (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/08/2da93a1c03fabe6d49022b626c740acf.jpg)
^ this is the original that I, admittedly, did trace and make a few edits and additions too.
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Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 08, 2015, 08:36:31 PM
Here's a digitally rendered version of the edit above. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/08/16836d8fb3acdf9812267186248d48e9.jpg)
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Post by: Farewell on March 08, 2015, 09:31:57 PM
I like it!! It's really good also tracing or copying is actually helpful.. I used to do it when I was little and slowly I broke away and draw just from imagination so it's good for practice :D
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Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 08, 2015, 09:43:11 PM
Yeah. A good friend, that I made on google+, said the same thing.
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Post by: White Wolf Guardian on March 09, 2015, 01:43:46 AM
I like the white and blue design the most, for completely unrelated reasons to my own character design >.> <.< >.>
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Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 09, 2015, 09:28:22 AM
It don't even...
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Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 09, 2015, 09:29:53 AM
Anyway... Here's another trace I did for Zeph. ^~^
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/09/f55a85a05eb1018630596d8bfd09f1b0.jpg)

And here is the original.
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/09/df7fe48fab40e254daf0e209c701b8b3.jpg)
Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 09, 2015, 09:32:04 AM
And another one I did for me and my mate. <3 (he knows who he is)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/09/6ff2469cf96133bfe3ddf515a625c342.jpg)

And as per usual here is the original.
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/09/6ff9d58b578c53fbef930b64271e1435.jpg)
Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 11, 2015, 12:35:44 AM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/799aaa28ae9331adbe5642b9f3d4ca90.jpg)
Le original.

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/03edaa5faf79739805742107b8295306.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/67fe98c7ccb4ed73e1ba10cf1806ce8e.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/dc5e55cb328dc7a7fd5e6cc868627683.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/9d7c11d60a32fa2973067204f51627e5.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/10b43ccb9e92be5ffd12b0a40faa5657.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/3256ee599328710a76cf1918411d197e.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/e916b4478f15d231a53c0d81f8ddf1ee.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/fd93b1d732943c83c46d0bafe85f75e9.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/658331c92e81a19cf65fc2038c4d7029.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/47c9ea9c546e9247d4570598a6a5c5f1.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/1a469f4f836a3d129f3295eb072eb602.jpg)
Still not finished this but here's an edit I've been doing for my wonderful pet wolfcoon, Grey, cause he's awesome and fully deserves it. :3
Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: TMAlt on March 11, 2015, 12:50:48 AM
You know the artists of these probably wouldn't like their hard work being traced even if it's free. You might want to consider that. Sorry if this bothers anyone, but I'm not a supporter of tracing.
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Post by: Farewell on March 11, 2015, 01:06:41 AM
Actually!!! Look up free line art!! You can trace or color those :3 and the artist wouldn't mind since they made the art for those purposes
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Post by: TMAlt on March 11, 2015, 01:10:44 AM
Thing is, what he's tracing isn't free lines. It's someone else's art and he's probably not asking permission either. If my art was traced, I wouldn't be happy about it and I've seen a lot of others who wouldn't either because they worked really hard on it. Free line art also has limits sometimes as well. Some say not to alter the lines and other's say it's okay. Tracing is cheating and stealing to be honest.
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Post by: NautilusWolf on March 11, 2015, 02:05:34 AM
I hate to throw my hat into the ring, but I agree with Zaida. I'm no artist by any means, but what your saying is like telling me I'm cheating at learning guitar by playing Master of Puppets by Metallica. He's not claiming they're his, and he's even showing us the original. He's not distributing them for profit either. He's simply learning. Tracing is like practicing chords. Once your muscle memory takes hold of the shapes/chords, you can bend them into something new and original by you.
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Post by: Dax Declan on March 11, 2015, 03:34:13 AM
I understand where Zahrah is coming from. Art is a bit of a different situation than musician then I for think a band would want you to take there songs then just tweak a few chords and words.
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Post by: NautilusWolf on March 11, 2015, 03:37:04 AM
Say that to Lars Ulrich.




METALLICA ain't what it used to be. T_T
Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 11, 2015, 08:00:19 AM
I'm just gonna say that I shall not do traces anymore then. If it's gonna cause arguments then f**k it.
Guess it's back to drawing free hand for me. :/
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Post by: George on March 11, 2015, 09:21:11 AM
 Dude, there's no reason to stop if you're making things people enjoy. (even if it was just you)

Also, some amazing works were traces.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56523000/jpg/_56523659_da_vinci_comp.jpg)

It's only bad to trace if you claim to have drawn it yourself.
Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 11, 2015, 09:23:17 AM

Dude, there's no reason to stop if you're making things people enjoy. (even if it was just you)
Yeah I know. I just don't want to be the cause of an argument. I hate arguments as it is.
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Post by: George on March 11, 2015, 09:23:45 AM

Dude, there's no reason to stop if you're making things people enjoy. (even if it was just you)
Yeah I know. I just don't want to be the cause of an argument. I hate arguments as it is.

Don't let them bother you, there will always be haters.
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Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 11, 2015, 09:24:09 AM
True.
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Post by: Grey on March 11, 2015, 09:27:44 AM
Thing is, what he's tracing isn't free lines. It's someone else's art and he's probably not asking permission either. If my art was traced, I wouldn't be happy about it and I've seen a lot of others who wouldn't either because they worked really hard on it. Free line art also has limits sometimes as well. Some say not to alter the lines and other's say it's okay. Tracing is cheating and stealing to be honest.

So by that logic Leonardo Da Vinci is a cheat and an art thief. Nearly all artists start of by tracing the work of other in order to improve. Without point of reference it is very hard to learn new art styles, and even develop your own. There have been plenty of great artists that have begun their career by tracing and using other's art.


I'm just gonna say that I shall not do traces anymore then. If it's gonna cause arguments then f**k it.
Guess it's back to drawing free hand for me. :/


I would say keep tracing. It's a good way to learn, as long as the original artist gets their nod to, which you have been doing. People who say that tracing is a bad and dishonist thing to do. So, does that mean my teachers and fellow pupils at school were dishonist because they were told to use great artists' work to learn?

Art is there to be shown to others and inspire. That also includes tracing. (I do however dispise tracing other's work without the tracer showing credit where credit is due. Fen has been giving the artists credit and therefor has done nothing wrong in my book)
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Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 11, 2015, 09:29:33 AM
Thanks Grey.
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Post by: TMAlt on March 11, 2015, 02:46:08 PM
Wow hate train. Yeah I'm an artist and I obviously don't get it, right? Yeah don't think about what the artist would feel if they saw they're hard work traced. Learn to draw by studying, not tracing. That's what I did. Referencing is perfectly fine. Start with drawing what you see and then try to get your style. I worked for years on my art without tracing. I'm sure you could do it too. It'll definitely feel better when you improve and say that you didn't rely on tracing. If you're gonna keep tracing, at least talk to the artist first.
Title: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: Farewell on March 11, 2015, 02:54:41 PM
Dude stop, I swear just let fen do what he wants, he's not tracing your work so calm yourself. No need to argue guys :/ don't worry about it fen ignore the haters X3
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Post by: TMAlt on March 11, 2015, 03:01:44 PM
I wasn't trying to start an argument at all. Tracing has been a problem for a lot of artists and I thought I'd say something about it. I honestly wouldn't want to see my work traced and neither would most other artists. People have been suspended and banned from FA AND DA because of it so obviously people don't like it. Which is what brings me to referencing. Referencing and study is used by most artists until they have an understanding and feel they can move on to drawing their own art. But if someone insists on continuing to trace, I say at least talk the artist about it before doing it. They will say whether or not it's okay, but at least consider how they feel.
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Post by: NautilusWolf on March 11, 2015, 08:26:00 PM
I'll be honest, I understand exactly where you're coming from, but is what he's doing hurting anyone? He's just tracing to build precision, not to spite anyone. He's not even distributing for profit, or claiming the works were his. He even showed the original. Nobody's being hated on, we all seem to just be lost in translation with what we mean. I, for instance, practice guitar by playing Master Of Puppets by Metallica. As for having to acquire permission to use ones work for simple practicing purposes, I doubt Lars would let me even if I could call Metallica and be like, "hey, gonna practice playing Master Of Puppets to get better at playing guitar so I can eventually write my own stuff." It's impossible. For two reasons, Copyright is very heavily covered by Metallica because Lars threw an (understandable, yet immature) tantrum over Napster. The reason they had a problem is because it was offered for free, when originally you had to pay. Did he have to pay to use them as reference/trace work? No. So really, isn't this uproar kinda silly and unnecessary?
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Post by: Dax Declan on March 11, 2015, 08:29:29 PM
She didn't mean to start an uproar she meant to just say that the artists might not appreciate it. These people aren't famous world renowned artists. So if someone were to see a traced picture they might get the wrong idea.
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Post by: NautilusWolf on March 11, 2015, 08:42:58 PM
Artists are artists. World renowned or not. That's like me writing a riff. You can practice it, but not claim it. The point is, there's a line drawn to where one would have to say something. If you claimed you made it, then there's a problem. If you're tracing or anything just to practice, and again, show the original and say, "hey, I traced this," then what's the angle? To what part can you get mad at? He's denied all originality and shown proof that he traced it. The fact this whole argument was brought up is a little redundant, yeah?
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Post by: Cheza on March 11, 2015, 08:43:35 PM
I can kinda understand where she's coming from.

It takes a lot of time to create art from scratch and a lot of time to build up skill and form your style and all that, so I can understand that some people might get upset when someone just "rides" on their work, especially without permission and even more so without giving credits.

Still, Fen gives credits to the artist, and some artist actually don't mind people tracing their work for as long as people do give credit.


To be honest, I trace and/or color stuff too, but I tend to stick to the stuff that people put out there for people to color/trace/mess around with in order to avoid situations like these.
Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: TMAlt on March 11, 2015, 08:53:50 PM
See Cheza's got it right. He should at least be asking these people if he can trace their work. It's the only way of knowing, unless clearly stated in the description of the picture, if they're okay with tracing.
Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 11, 2015, 09:00:03 PM
...don't you just love it when people mention you like you're not even there? :D
Title: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: Farewell on March 11, 2015, 09:01:56 PM
Well, can we all stop talking about this guys this is fens topic, period. just forget about it let the folf do what he wants alright :3 talking about this is just getting on my nerves and I bet on his also.
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Post by: Aconitum on March 11, 2015, 09:04:23 PM
Subject change! Or rather, subject renewal!

Fen!!! I love what you're doing. It's really good. ^^
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Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 11, 2015, 09:06:18 PM
Thank you! Someone who's thinking what I am.
Fair enough give me slap on the head for being a little b**ch and doing what a most of you deem as just copying someone else's art... I'm fine with that. Just for f**ks sake leave me be! I didn't ask for a damn debate about whether what I'm doing is "okay" or "the right thing to do" all I asked for was that people give their opinion on how I can get better and inform me of what I'm doing wrong and what I'm doing right!
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Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 11, 2015, 09:06:54 PM

Subject change! Or rather, subject renewal!

Fen!!! I love what you're doing. It's really good. ^^
Thanks Acon. :3
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Post by: Angder on March 11, 2015, 09:12:26 PM

[Pictures]
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/10/1a469f4f836a3d129f3295eb072eb602.jpg)
Still not finished this but here's an edit I've been doing for my wonderful pet wolfcoon, Grey, cause he's awesome and fully deserves it. :3

I actually love this image, the eyes look brilliant.  :D
Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: Aconitum on March 11, 2015, 09:12:52 PM
No problem-o! ^^ Your colors are very well thought out and just... go together better than I could have thought. I like it when peeps work with orange. I can't ever find something that matches it.
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Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 11, 2015, 09:19:46 PM
I find that orange, and brown, go really well with shades of black and white. :3
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Post by: Aconitum on March 11, 2015, 09:27:45 PM
Ah~ I see. I see. *rubs paws together in evil plot*
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Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 11, 2015, 09:35:37 PM
>_> what are you planning?
Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on March 11, 2015, 09:38:10 PM
Please stay on topic.
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Post by: Aconitum on March 11, 2015, 09:38:20 PM
Something... evil. o3o
Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: Aconitum on March 11, 2015, 09:38:52 PM
Oopsies, sorry white ^^:
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Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 11, 2015, 09:39:17 PM
...so only now a mod gets involved, wow.
Title: Re: Fen's drawings. :3
Post by: SadDubwool on March 11, 2015, 10:05:31 PM
Hey Fen,dont let hate bring you down,i admit i have used blank templates to do my own little tweaks and i feel that tracing is better then the thing i have done....my art sucks and yours is Obviously better then what i have done...dont stop because one person brings ya down....Just Keep Swimming and let the karma boomerang fly to them
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Post by: Fenox Helkiin on March 11, 2015, 10:51:28 PM
Thanks red.
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Post by: Midnight Madness on March 12, 2015, 12:21:29 AM
There has been enough of a problem in this thread so far, and it has escalated too far, too quickly. Now I will say it as I have several times in the past.

Tracing is not acceptable to be posted as personal art on a personal thread. Using it for practice behinds the scenes is nobody's business, but posting it publicly is taking wrongful advantage of another's art for the sake of publicity, even if not directly intended for that purpose. The vast majority of artists place a "do not trace/copy" tag at the bottom of their image descriptions on websites like FurAffinity and DeviantArt because of instances like these. If you haven't asked these artists to use their work for public posts like these, you are acting without consent. If someone does not express that using their items is acceptable, you do not use them for anything like this.

Just because the artist hasn't shown up to say "you stop this" doesn't make it okay. I see no credit to the original artists, even if the originals are posted. Tracing can be used to learn, but it doesn't teach you as well as other methods. As many artists have said, "draw your inspiration from real life, and then change it around to suit your desired look. Doing this makes your art more believable, and more life-like."

At the end of the day, tracing is not your art, regardless of what you've done to it. It's a copy and edit of someone else's work, even with consent issued. One's own art is something they have painstakingly crafted on their own, without some guidelines on a sheet. Please be respectful of artists, and do not react with any degree of malice to critics. Your critics are your greatest teachers. Likewise, said critics are not "haters." They have every right to pass judgment to point out flaws and problems with works, because as I said, they are your greatest teachers. You must recognize your own flaws before you can improve.

And to elaborate on something...

...so only now a mod gets involved, wow.

We have lives of our own as well, Fenox. We are not problem solving robots with magic one-shot elimination buttons. We deliberate, we discuss, and we have to deal with real life just as well. The entirety of this issue has been drawn out over less than a day, and even then started out very tame, only to escalate to the level of a problem within the past five hours. Sometimes we catch things immediately, sometimes we take a while to notice; this is why it's a great help of users to report things they consider to be a problem, since it quickens our time to respond. Please do not be disrespectful like this in the future.

This thread is locked.