Post by: Kamina on November 25, 2014, 05:08:43 AM
Post by: Ryan Naismith on November 25, 2014, 12:44:31 PM
Post by: BakaFawkes on December 10, 2014, 05:53:31 AM
My mother's side is international and thinks it was racism at its finest.
I think anyone to blatantly pick sides over personal opinions is a major nutcase that doesn't deserve the internet.
Post by: anoni on December 10, 2014, 10:27:16 AM
- Using lethal force without it being absolutely necessary: BAD (Though this may not be true, as most reports claim it was very necessary)
- Militarization of Police: BAD
- Rioting and looting stores: BAD
No one side is the good side, it's a whole mess of bad things after more bad things. It's just a total mess and I'm tired of people trying to claim that their side is in the right, in the scenario no side is in the right.
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on December 10, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
Post by: Ryan Naismith on December 10, 2014, 11:58:28 AM
Riot vehicles (which many people misinterpret as tanks) are quite necessary, I think. They prevent people from getting seriously injured, on both sides. And I'm all for that!
SWAT teams are necessary, in order to face the growing threat of gangsters, ETC. Using illegally obtained military grade firearms.
However, if every single police officer dressed up like a SWAT unit, and carries around assault rifles? That's too far.
That's just my humble opinion.
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on December 10, 2014, 02:59:49 PM
Post by: drakewithout on December 10, 2014, 03:19:35 PM
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on December 10, 2014, 03:27:27 PM
Everytime a ban is placed on a gun, someone effectively makes something to get around it or just entirely makes new weapons where none can be found.
For example, Australia: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/11/19/home-built-m11-submachine-guns-seized-australia/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/11/19/home-built-m11-submachine-guns-seized-australia/)
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/06/16/australian-police-10-firearms-seized-homemade/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/06/16/australian-police-10-firearms-seized-homemade/)
(Europe)
https://homemadeguns.wordpress.com/tag/homemade-smg/ (https://homemadeguns.wordpress.com/tag/homemade-smg/)
It's only going to get worse. I'll take my chances in the few remaining places where everyone is allowed to have a gun.
Post by: anoni on December 11, 2014, 07:06:53 AM
As for gun fatalities, there is no clear correlation between counties with banned guns and countries with not banned guns. It depends more on the control scheme of guns and who is and isn't allowed guns, as well as appropriate training for guns, that gives the highest factor in terms of correlating gun deaths. But having less guns does not cause MORE gun fatalities because "criminals can kill people easier", you can see there isn't really a correlation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate) note the US is 18th in the homicide category having more gun related homicides than any other first world country (as all the countries above US are not necessarily considered developed countries).
So the idea that "Someone can make a gun while others can't, therefore the country becomes more dangerous" is bogus and doesn't correlate with the statistics. Laws can be broken, which is why we have a whole judicial and policing system to avoid it. What I was saying about the lethal means is that justice cannot be served by fatally killing someone with a gun without a trial or any sort of hearing. Sometimes it's necessary but justice can never be served this way, so it should only be a last resort.
Post by: BakaFawkes on December 11, 2014, 07:19:27 AM
It's not as hard to make bullets as it is to make an actual weapon. I can make shotgun shells out of bubble gum or coat hangars.
Post by: MrRazot on December 11, 2014, 07:44:49 AM
A few years ago there was rioting amongst the coal miners and police were sent in to create peace.
Police were given live ammo.
The miners had machetes and other improvised weapons.
The hundred or so armed miners charged at the 20-30 armed police officers.
Can you guess already what happened?
It's also interesting to point out that the miners were all black and only 2-3 of the policemen were white.
Here's what the deal is and you can look past the fact there were police involved and what their race was:
Don't charge at an armed man. The law asks questions later and that's not going to matter to you when you're dead.
As for the now rioting in the States, wouldn't it be funny if the exact same thing happened again only en masse?
Post by: BakaFawkes on December 11, 2014, 07:47:31 AM
Post by: Trigahex on December 12, 2014, 12:58:52 AM
No
Post by: hennessyvenom on December 22, 2014, 09:06:41 PM
Eric Garner was not innocent.
Know who was innocent? Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos. The 2 NYPD officers shot because of all this race baiting.
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on December 22, 2014, 09:08:51 PM