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Creative Arts and Media => Music => Topic started by: anoni on August 13, 2014, 02:06:51 PM
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So what do you furs like? Do you like to get epic with Bach's iconic Symphony 5. in C minor? Do you like to build suspense with Hall of the Mountain King? Do you like to fly over Vietnam with Ride of the Valkyries or weep in the rain with moonlight Sonata? What's your favourite classical song and what do you tend to listen to?
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I'm not too picky, I've listened to classical since I was tiny. I've been listening to symphonic poems and promethian pieces recently, they always take me to other places.
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I always listen to classical solo piano when I am doing school work
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Allow me to introduce you guys to one of the greatest Russian romantic composers Sergei Rachmaninoff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJpJ8REjvqo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJpJ8REjvqo)
This is one of my favorite pieces and the piano is a standout instrument here. How it is used to begin the entire piece is just so powerful and moving. I feel that the piano tells a story the way it weaves in and out throughout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHLwG3ioD4Y&list=FLLzP-SFcIGLRxOt911EHJdA&index=615
Apparently someone else thought so too XD
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that was amazing
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I like all kinds of classical music, I'm not picky with which composer I listen to. Classical is just easy listening to me and fits a calm mood better. I also listen to classical to fall asleep and when I work on schoolwork.
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i play fox amoore mostly so i can do things
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I like all kinds of classical music, I'm not picky with which composer I listen to. Classical is just easy listening to me and fits a calm mood better. I also listen to classical to fall asleep and when I work on schoolwork.
Same here
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Two of my favourite classical pieces are 'moonlight sonata' and 'the blue Danube'
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Im not really sure if this is in the same genre as classical but it is still a amazing piece of music to me....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd7MFXzOyqU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd7MFXzOyqU#ws)
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I have always enjoyed Brahms' 4th Symphony In E Minor.
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I like most true classical (esp Mozart and Beethoven) but enjoy Baroque through Romantic. I love piano pieces (being a pianist) but full symphonic work is where it's at for me. To see live it's like watching magic being made, a sum greater than the whole of the individuals. But I like weird twists on classical pieces too.
This performance of Summer from Vivaldi's Four Seasons on accordion... it should be funny but I find it spectacular.
Extreme Accordion Skills (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFNNPZsO7-Q#)
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I don't get Wolfgang Mozart, his music is very minimal and generic for the time, that's why he had so many compositions. Beethoven is great though. Of all the Mozarts I prefer Leopold Mozart, he came first anyway. It's the same for Vivaldi, of all the seasonal suites I find him syrupy and among the worst.
Romantic is my preference, romantic is all about counter-culture, scenes, incidence and drama. It's like a soundtrack but as with the symphonic poems, can be very magical and extraordinary at the same time. Modern classical like The Planets is interesting, too, it almost doesn't sound like anything before it.
I always find chamber music interesting to watch, or something very posh at a restaurant and such if you know what I mean.
For romantic I like my imagination to take me over. The symphonic poems are like animation in the mind, no wonder Disney and other greats referenced its works in say Fantasia, Sorcerer's Apprentice, etc. It's the foundation to the modern wonders in soundtracks and such, the evolution of spectacular music.
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Well, I don't know if I can let that go without adding my two cents ;)
The Classical period (where we find W A Mozart) was in art, architecture and music a departure from the fluff and decoration of the Baroque period and in essence a retro celebration of Western tradition. So simplicity was the ideal, not in the sense of easy but more like perfection. Newtonian physics showed the order to the universe and that was the principle which underpinned the style.
So it's true to say Mozart represented the apex of his craft within that style. He was minimal in the sense that any unnecessary notes, structure or decoration were gilding the lily of otherwise "perfect" music. He was generic both in that he adhered to the style of the time but also that he is the gold standard by which other composers of the time are measured (even Haydn who came first).
As to why he had so many compositions, whether his style is to one's taste or not, it is not because his music was just very basic and he churned it out like some hack. He was simply a genius who had enormous creative drive.
He loved improvisation and dirty jokes and in modern times I think he would have been just as amazing as a giant of jazz.
The tragedy of his short life is that, unlike Beethoven, he didn't get to move with the times and write Romantic work.
So by all means, if he's not you're thing that's fine, but chances are what you really mean is you don't like the classical period and if you do like some other work from the same era chances are the lack of ability of the composer is what create the "imperfection" which is what appeals. After all the counter-culture of Romanticism is basically a cry of "hey this perfection isn't as good as it's cracked up to be!".
A friend of mine who hates Mozart puts it this way: "I don't like neat music and Mozart was the neatest composer of all time" XD
Anyway here's one of Mozart's works where he uses his neatness for an entirely dirty result ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C78HBp-Youk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C78HBp-Youk)
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I've always found "perfect" music to be deeply satisfying, while I am one for some imperfect tunes I do head more towards well structured and organized music, not a jazz fan for example.
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I guess I'm a bit "in the middle". When Beethoven uses a dominant 7th chord *swoons* I don't hear imperfection just passion. But when Art Tatum solos I don't hear his amazing technique and subtle harmonic sensibilities I just think "where did the melody go?" which is why I like trad jazz most I guess.
Here's a favourite piece of my friend. The one who dislikes Mozart. Quite suitable since it is now Spring here in Australia!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGFRwKQqbk4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGFRwKQqbk4)
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Classical was about being the highest class in everything, the minimalism of Mozart was very Baroque and marked legacy rather than prime. He was literally like Justin Bieber, applying ideas with the same details everywhere. You hear one Mozart piece and you've heard them all. His most unique piece was his Requiem. Mozart was a servant, he happened to write music, people would hire him out of spite and jealousy a lot of the time especially as this actually made him famous for the time.
Beethoven wasn't romantic (romantic doesn't mean love here by the way, it means personal emotion) at all and classical music was about not being romantic, classical was all about being up their with the church's godliness, Baroque influenced musicians were class in another sense as in snobbiness. Classical music and art rejected church idealism for realist mysticism, if you see the paintings at the time you will notice the pictures were far more representational of god-on-Earth mentality which is poetic. People identified incidence with this poetry, which later founded the symphonic poetry in the mid 19th century which had already taken form in opera which was full of modulation. Classical begins in 1750 with Antonio Soler marking the transition with his Quintet 3 in G major which sounded like a blend of Baroque and Classical.
Muzio Clementi and Beethoven were truly the heralders of the classical music in time, full of rhythm and grandeur than monotonous notes. Bach had already revived Baroque but in a more pleasant way, Mozart would only provide traditional baroque for the sentimental rich. Beethoven's last two pieces were romantic only, founding into life like (timing to breath, to march, representing nature with instruments, etc) rhythm and detail.
Also, the term "perfect music" doesn't exist now nor do it then.
Medieval - musical ideal is relaxing, choral yet gigue like
Renaissance - musical ideal is foreboding choral and the church atmosphere
Baroque - musical ideal is to sound graceful and courtly
Classical - musical ideal is to initiate a dialog with god by demonstrating the best of the best and massive
Romantic - musical ideal is to initiate a dialog with the inner self and the universe, to not share emotion but to use musical representation of the emotions to take the soul on a journey
It helps to understand it you understand Christian history. Though the fact that so many before Mozart sounded like him shows there was nothing truly special about him but the fact he happened to become the most famous. Kind of like Shakespeare, the French for examples rejected Shakespeare because they already had a lot like him and he stood nothing against historical titans, it wasn't until romantic times people used him in classical art/music. I would say that Mozart is the prime reason most don't explore classical that deeply.
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Oh you're killing me here! XD
How can minimalism be baroque? Baroque means to have exaggerated ornamentation.
Beethoven was uncontroversially in both periods, his Symphony 6 is considered to be the first true romantic piece. But the transition was in his middle period with his later period being clearly post-transition.
I tend not to discuss it in TFF but church history and theology are a bit of a passion of mine, so I well understand the relationship of history of western music to the church.
"Perfect music" can't exist in the sense we normally think of, but music which embodies the ideals of Absolutism which fed the science, theology and art of the day is what I am referring to.
You will have to cite references if you are to sway me Kozy and as for Mozart being the Bieber of his day...
*staggers from a mortal wound*
Some things cannot be unsaid sir! ;)
I will admit there is a heap of his work which is pretty much interchangeable for me even though others adore those works.
Also here's dat Beethoven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbfa86bTD34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbfa86bTD34)
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Minimalism in traditional terms is the use of instruments with relatively little use of modulation and incidental dynamics as a hence it's more in your face and flat volumetrically than say romantic. Baroque can be played on a few instruments. The 6th symphony is not romantic and it was Beethoven's 3rd symphony that inspired romantic, in other words it is proto romantic in terms of instrumentation is not a representation. Pastoral was the founding of symphonic poetry so to speak but not romantic per se. Proto poetry already existed in opera.
I'm using iPod with tapatalk so links aren't possible right now. There's lectures on iTunes U which shouldn't be too hard to find, however. Though I don't say things for the fun of it, just there's far better and unsung composers far more influential than Mozart. The Bieber reference was because Mozart brought nothing new, least no more than Leopold.
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I still haven't tried out Tapatalk yet... once I start down that dark path will it forever dominate my destiny?
Maybe we can move to PM, lest we bore the music listeners XD
We all love Flight of the Bumble Bee right.
What about this version?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLZGr3CIAMA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLZGr3CIAMA)
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I think trance music's supersaw synths sound more like bees than the flight of the bumblebee. The rhythm is far more sharp and wasp like don't you think? PM is ok.
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I'm not familiar with the super-synth, but it's funny you should mention, because as much as a like the piece I too never thought it very bumble beeish. But earlier on I caught a little of the film Shine and the version in that I actually thought, wow that reminds me of bees!
Does anyone know PDQ Bach? He's the creation of Peter Schickele. Very clever and funny, but my favourite works are his quodlibets.
The first quodlibet I ever heard was his Eine Kleine Nichtmusik. If you want to be able to listen to Mozart's Eine Kleine Nachtmusik again seriously don't listen to this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enT9oAE0TxM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enT9oAE0TxM)
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Debates about what period of music time was better for music aside
I enjoy Vivaldi's four seasons, but my person favourite one was Winter rather than summer, I suppose I'm more for minor pieces.
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Bonus points if you know why I like this aside from its transcendent beauty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv94m_S3QDo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv94m_S3QDo)