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Furry Chat => General => Topic started by: Rainbows on March 08, 2014, 10:30:06 PM
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Actually hate's too strong, less tolerant of my shenanigans. He went from being super friendly to short tempered and snippy. And that's just towards me, everybody else he's still nice to. Jerk =^=
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I can almost relate. I don't often break character when I play EQ2.
My alt is snooty, stuck-up, and certainly not manly. It gets annoying. XD
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EQ2?
He used to be really nice to me and we were friends. It is crazy but he used to talk to me and joke around, now not so much. :<
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Ah, so he's a seperate conscious, not just a character.
Well, that's rough considering there's no way to escape him! XD
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Character developed a conscious. But I had a freakout back in November and yelled at all my guys. Other than the occasional fade in/out, they haven't really spoken to me since. :( When they do he's kind of snippy :I
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Tulpa-style? If they developed their own consciousnesses, you probably hurt their feelings. Have you tried seriously apologizing to them and trying to make up with them? Until a certain point, that initiative will need to be taken by you.
I myself am a writer with upwards of twenty sona/characters, and they pretty much all have self-awareness.
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I have on multiple occasions and he's never fully accepted it. But he's actually letting me draw him again, so things are getting better ;v;
I can understand that. My head used to be a total madhouse, they never stopped talking.
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Huh, I've never let any of my characters gain sentience (at least, not fully). Usually, they only talk when I talk to them.
(Also, on a side note: Since at least one other member has a tulpa, anyone interested in making a tulpa thread?)
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I like that they have, they're developing on their own and not solely dependent on me.
I had to google what a tulpa was...never knew there was a name for it, I just thought I'd gone nutty. But yeah, that'd be a cool thread :)
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Tulpa.info is one of the relatively few more useful sites on the subject... Anywhere else and its kinda like hearing about the furry fandom from a troll. They tend to make it sound like any tulpa will try to kill you in your sleep, which they won't, and can't.
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Well of course they can't, why would anybody think so? I shall definitely be looking into that.
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The first intentional tulpas were made by the Tibetan monks, and for a long time they were the only ones who knew how. The first person to bring the idea west made one, and was so scared of it that it turned malicious. Her conviction that it was evil made it worse, and it started harassing her constantly. So naturally, she wrote a book saying how evil they are.
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Ah, so THAT'S how the rumor started!
I never understood that, 'cause my tulpa is usually kind and gentle. Very disapproving of my bad habits, but never rude or mean, much less evil.
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Wow, that's terrible. :<
I've been looking more at Tulpa.info and I know that's exactly what I had been doing. I would spend hours a day just talking to and developing them and now I don't do that at all. I haven't tried in months. I need to start again.
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Yeah. For me, it was being a writer; I pretty much talk to them constantly so I get their stories right.
And yeah, I actually had to read a part of the book one time. Wanted to bash my head against a wall.
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What was the book? I want to look it up.
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Just look up Alexandra David-Neel.
Part of her reasoning in destroying her tulpa was that it "developed a mind of its own" and may have been a "hallucination." I want to say phrases not allowed on this forum to her, because that's utterly asinine. The entire point is to create a separate consciousness, to see it and feel it. Of COURSE it developed a mind of its own and was a hallucination.
Also, if you read the guides on the site to improve the strength and presence of your mind-people, you should know not to worry about forcing time, puppeting, or parroting. Several of the guides are old, and while still very useful, a lot of stuff has since been clarified, improved upon, or tossed out the window.
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Thought has been conclusively resolved to come from the brain, how exactly it does this is still uncertain but it is widely agreed upon that thought originates from the brain. So, if you have a separate consciousness it's either a 'switch' of an original consciousness in the brain OR it's a parallel consciousness (the former would mean you can be either/or consciousnesses, the latter suggests you can be both characters at the same time). This would be interesting, but ultimately is an abnormality in the brain usually likened to some form of psychotic disorder, such as schizophrenia (I'm not meaning to offend at all, I'm just saying the classifications).
Now the question is, is the proposed separate consciousness a true separate consciousness or a 'lesser' second consciousness. The former suggests that your body can be controlled by the second consciousness just as well as the first, that both consciousnesses are interchangeable and there is no real 'primary' person but you are multiple people in the same body. You don't know the feelings and possibly memories of the second consciousness and the second consciousness doesn't know the feelings of the first (Neither consciousness has any control on each other). 'You' could be equally and correctly defined as either consciousness, no one consciousness is 'primary' and 'alternate' but all consciousnesses in your head are equal. As in, there is no "character", you are as much of a "character" as that "character" is to you. This is likened usually to multiple-personality disorder. The latter suggests you have some form of control over the second consciousness and the second consciousness usually influences the primary, but don't exist as separate characters. IE: You exist and the second consciousness doesn't, you may still not have much control over the second consciousness but it simply influences you indirectly, in reality it's a formation of the primary consciousness. That is, you created the secondary consciousness, willingly or not (as opposed to both existing independently in the previous scenario). SO that would be more defined as schizophrenia.
It sounds like you're referring to the second in which case it's unlikely it has a mind of it's own, but it's "mind" is simply a creation of your consciousness that is affected by unconscious parameters (maybe malfunctions) in the brain. It doesn't really exist, but it's more just a hologram of something that does.
Just thought I'd ramble on a bit xD
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Awesome, I'll look it up c:
...my knee jerk reaction is to reject everything and say you're wrong, but it's not. It probably is the second case and I find that upsetting. What parts of myself did I scream at then?
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Anoni, while what you've said makes perfect, logical sense, there is something you forgot to take into account:
Tulpas and the like are created on purpose, usually with a lot of time and effort.
In my mind, this would make it less of a disorder and more like a... a "customization," if you will. You've purposely altered something to better fit your liking. It certainly isn't negative (unless you're doing it wrong), it hasn't affected anything other that what goes on in our imaginations.
And even if it is a disorder, it doesn't concern me. It hasn't affected my social life, or stopped me from functioning properly. I wouldn't be too concerned about labelling it unless it becomes a problem.
In any case, the last paragraph is pretty much what we're talking about. An almost separate consciousness that operates on the same subconscious. I suppose it's not a true consciousness, but giving it the benefit of the doubt helps it to behave like one, thus achieving the goal.
Some of my characters have exhibited traits such as a tulpa, so my conclusion is that tulpas are a mentally reinforced character that resides in the imagination.
Rambling right back at you, Anoni.
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Yes, anoni, it IS possible to switch and allow the tulpa to control your body. It takes a LOT of work for it to happen though, and you can be entirely willing. If I remember correctly, it's a form of parallel processing; I suppose it would be more correct to call it a customized, surfaced part of the subconscious. I will say this, too: if you go on that site, you can find an insane amount of threads discussing why tulpas=/= schizophrenia. The most base argument is that with schizophrenia, you have no control over the hallucinations and such, whereas with tulpas, you know it's all in your head and you're in total control.
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Sorry, I do need to confirm. I didn't mean to come off as saying that it was necessarily a mental disorder, I meant that to come off as saying "It could be CAUSED by a mental disorder". As in, it could be but it doesn't have to be (though, honestly, it USUALLY is likened to somekind of mental disorder, whether that be misunderstanding from a societies definition or actual medical evidence is beyond me). Sorry for any misunderstanding!
I do think it's really interesting what the brain is capable off.
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It does often get likened to schizophrenia, because there's a lot of people who don't get that this sort of thing is possible. Believe it or not, the phantom tail syndrome we so love here in the fandom is related to the tulpa phenomenon.
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My fursona is basically a representation of myself, so no self-hate here sorry.
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That's what I (re)made Twilight for. My sonas developed so much on their own that none of them really represented me as I am anymore.
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^every time I'd make a fursona that'd happen.
That's why I'm stuck with my fluffy, flightless, harmless-looking self. XD
I think if I had the choice I'd be a sergal or skunk or something. 0r at least something that didn't have tiny, basically useless wings. >.>
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Twilight was kinda a background figure in my stories for a while, almost a godlike figure, though Tezca would beg to differ... He kinda manipulated a lot from the background, so it kinda fit my role, so I adapted him.