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Creative Arts and Media => TV and Video => Video and Traditional Games => Topic started by: Beatnory on June 28, 2012, 10:59:53 AM
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Probably the most already know about the New xbox 720 (2*360).
If not you can read about it here: http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-720-release-date-news-and-rumours-937167 (http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-720-release-date-news-and-rumours-937167)
they say that this will be the last console of microsoft.
Most people now playing on there mobile and table.
Maby there are right but how do you think about this?
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Meh. I think it's just rumors and speculation, really.
I highly doubt that Microsoft will have this be their last console, considering that the console market is where they're banking the most money right now. Especially since no matter how much is released for phones and tablets and such, they still aren't nearly as capable as a home console.
Granted, by the time the 1080 is released I'll *still* be playing on my PC >>
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It's not ms how is saying this. It's a thougt of a lot of people in the game industrie (I'm a game developer).
but all the consoles sell bad at the moment. If this has something to do with the economic or people stop playing on the console is something I don't know.
But this is more then rumors.
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But it is still just rumors about Microsofts actions =I. Until they say themselves what's what, it's just rumors about what they're going to do >3>
And of course consoles sales are going down, nearly everyone whose going to own one probably has one by now x3 But as soon as the new ones are released they'll be flying off shelves like usual.
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Do you still think that people will buy a console even if they play a lot of games on there android of ISO?
The game industries is changing.
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As Nic said, it's just rumours. Microsoft said in an interview (I'll try and find the link) that they won't think about development of a new console until the 360 has nothing else to offer. In terms of entertainment, the 360 still has plenty to offer. Sony holds the same plan, a new PS4 won't be announced until the PS3 has nothing else.
The Wii U was created because the Wii didn't have as much to offer as the other two consoles and, specifications wise, fell short on the new generation of consoles.
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Considering that an Android phone can still only do so much compared to a console... =I
I'm pretty sure that my 360 still has more gaming capability than an Android, especially in terms of hardware capability. The one way they could be equal is if you used some sort of Cloud Gaming service, but those are still being worked on >>
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There are already cloud gaming software. Onlive.
Works on Iphone, Android and most of the tablets.
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But the quality isn't the same =I
If I'm at home, I'm more apt to play a console on my TV or a PC, then a little phone with some touch screen or a blue tooth controller. It just makes more sense.
And not to mention there are plenty of gamers out there, who don't have tablets or Android phones or iPhone, or with the internet to use OnLive =I
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To be honest, I can't image that there games without internet.
But sure, there will be still people using a console but is this enough for ms to continue.
Also, quality is not the important of all. Look to the wii. (Okay I don't like the wii but a lot of people do)
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But a lot of people play games for quality. And again, like Kite said, that's why there will be the Wii U.
And yeah, I can name at least 20 people off the top of my head that play games without even having Dial Up. And, it's not like Microsoft is losing money on the 360 now, in fact there are still people buying. It may not be the "thousands" that were when it first came out, but people still are. So if they make a newer, better console, and it makes them money, why wouldn't they?
And 20 years from now they can do the same thing again. That's like saying they wouldn't of made an Operating System after Windows 7 because more people were using mobile computing, then PC's. But look, Windows 8 is around the corner for Tablets, Phones and Desktops/Laptops alike. And even if it is just 7 but more "mobile", people will still buy >3>
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Okay, You're right. So long MS wil make money there will be a xbox. But I know a lot of people that has stop useing there xbox and ps and play on there tablet.
Don't you know people like that?
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Nope.
I have maybe one friend that has a tablet? All my other friends still use their consoles or computers.
Especially where I live, no one can really afford/knows where to get such things as fancy tablets and phones to play games. People here still use track phones and Windows 98 =p
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Ooow sorry. Where I life almost eveyone have a smartphone. and more and more people buy/get a tablet (You get them free by some stuff).
But I forget that the world is bigger.
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Mmhm.
Only reason I'm lucky to have so many nice things is because I'm one of the few around here who are more knowledgeable of such things. It's like how in my graduating class, I'm the only one going into the Technology field. Everyone else is more conventional. Farmers, law enforcement, military, etc.
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Why can't Farmers have a smartphone?
Also smartphones are cheaper then the xbox. So I think they will choose a smartphone
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Because there's no service out here, and they don't have internet on the farms? ;-;
The only place you can really get service around here, is in this town. Outside of it for miles, you're lucky to even Roam.
And, again, gaming on an Xbox is still more appealing than on a dinky Smart Phone. Not to mention the hardcore variety. >>
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We life in two diffrent worlds.
I agree with you, Playing on the xbox is beter then playing on my mobile of tablet.
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Smartphones and tablets are used for on-the-go. But it's not going to fully take off as a hardcore thing, it's as simple as that. For a start, without third-party accessories the controls can be problematic. The small screens don't allow much to be done about it. The small processors won't allow powerful games - the highest demanding game I've found is Infinity Blade. Developers don't put as much time into these games because of revenue concerns - releasing bigger games on the console is much more profitable. the highest grossing games on smartphones and tablets are mostly indie games, that were cheap and easy to produce. I've spent a good while looking through the app store to find good, high definition games to play and there are barely any.
Smartphones and tablets are not going to be nearly as successful as consoles and PC games. It's as simple as that.
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don't you think that smartphone become better?
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Reading through this I think it's quite impossible for the 720 to be the last console microsoft plan on releasing.
As mentioned they would be pulling out of a market which has made them a shed load of cash already.
If anything the 720 better have backward capability or no one's going to buy it until the first big game comes out.
That being said, the xbox is (in my opinion) probably the most popular console on the market.
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By the time a Smartphone has the power of say, an Xbox/Xbox 360, consoles will have the power of who knows what.
My own smart phone can barely run N64 Games, and that's only because of RAM limitations. I mean, hell, even if a Smartphone was somehow able to get "better" than a console within say, a year from now, there's always Computers, which outshine both in literally every platform possible, hardware wise. And once that happens, Sony/Microsoft will kick things up a notch and just try and release something even better.
In the end, it isn't about which is better, it's just what each individual prefers. Sure, there are more people playing on their Phones and Tablets now, but it's still a small percentage of the total gaming platforms. And I guarantee that most people who play on those, still own a console or PC to play on at home.
And to go with Razot, yeah, there should be a Backward Compatibility mode, and not the BS they pulled with the Xbox. I'm sorry, but if I own the disk, I'm not going to pay money to rebuy it on the Market so that I can play it the one time I wanted to go back and beat it >>
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Reading through this I think it's quite impossible for the 720 to be the last console microsoft plan on releasing.
As mentioned they would be pulling out of a market which has made them a shed load of cash already.
If anything the 720 better have backward capability or no one's going to buy it until the first big game comes out.
That being said, the xbox is (in my opinion) probably the most popular console on the market.
That is for evey console. also the hole reason why sega don't make game anymore.
People buy one to play games on it.
By the time a Smartphone has the power of say, an Xbox/Xbox 360, consoles will have the power of who knows what.
My own smart phone can barely run N64 Games, and that's only because of RAM limitations. I mean, hell, even if a Smartphone was somehow able to get "better" than a console within say, a year from now, there's always Computers, which outshine both in literally every platform possible, hardware wise. And once that happens, Sony/Microsoft will kick things up a notch and just try and release something even better.
In the end, it isn't about which is better, it's just what each individual prefers. Sure, there are more people playing on their Phones and Tablets now, but it's still a small percentage of the total gaming platforms. And I guarantee that most people who play on those, still own a console or PC to play on at home.
And to go with Razot, yeah, there should be a Backward Compatibility mode, and not the BS they pulled with the Xbox. I'm sorry, but if I own the disk, I'm not going to pay money to rebuy it on the Market so that I can play it the one time I wanted to go back and beat it >>
But know your only talking about the grapics. I still think that there is more then that.
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Reading through this I think it's quite impossible for the 720 to be the last console microsoft plan on releasing.
As mentioned they would be pulling out of a market which has made them a shed load of cash already.
If anything the 720 better have backward capability or no one's going to buy it until the first big game comes out.
That being said, the xbox is (in my opinion) probably the most popular console on the market.
It's very likely it will. And hopefully something better than a few select games. >.>
don't you think that smartphone become better?
Gradually, but they won't match to console or PC gaming, no matter how hard you try. Yes, the games are fun to play, and a good way to spend time while travelling, but ultimately it will be consoles that are the leading market in the games industry. The limitations of a smartphone/tablet are much greater than that of a console. With a smartphone and tablet, you're very restricted due to size as you need something you can comfortably hold in your hand and slide into your pocket. Consoles have much more space to work in, so more can be packed in. You said you were a developer, you should know all of this.
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Reading through this I think it's quite impossible for the 720 to be the last console microsoft plan on releasing.
As mentioned they would be pulling out of a market which has made them a shed load of cash already.
If anything the 720 better have backward capability or no one's going to buy it until the first big game comes out.
That being said, the xbox is (in my opinion) probably the most popular console on the market.
That is for evey console. also the hole reason why sega don't make game anymore.
People buy one to play games on it.
By the time a Smartphone has the power of say, an Xbox/Xbox 360, consoles will have the power of who knows what.
My own smart phone can barely run N64 Games, and that's only because of RAM limitations. I mean, hell, even if a Smartphone was somehow able to get "better" than a console within say, a year from now, there's always Computers, which outshine both in literally every platform possible, hardware wise. And once that happens, Sony/Microsoft will kick things up a notch and just try and release something even better.
In the end, it isn't about which is better, it's just what each individual prefers. Sure, there are more people playing on their Phones and Tablets now, but it's still a small percentage of the total gaming platforms. And I guarantee that most people who play on those, still own a console or PC to play on at home.
And to go with Razot, yeah, there should be a Backward Compatibility mode, and not the BS they pulled with the Xbox. I'm sorry, but if I own the disk, I'm not going to pay money to rebuy it on the Market so that I can play it the one time I wanted to go back and beat it >>
But know your only talking about the grapics. I still think that there is more then that.
No, I'm not just talking about graphics. It goes for everything, from how to games are distributed, to how they are made, to how they run, play, look, feel, etc. For instance, look at the new Unreal Engine that is coming out. You're not going to see that on a Smartphone, at any time. And that isn't just for graphics, it's also for physics and plenty of other things. A Smartphone doesn't have the computing power of a console, either. I know of maybe only a handful of Smartphones that have more than a Dual Core processor, and even then it isn't enough to even compare. Being someone who is rather savvy in Hardware, especially since I'm going to college for it, it's safe to say that Smartphones won't be coming anywhere close to the power of modern consoles or computers any time soon. They can "replicate" it, by using simpler/easier software, but can't repeat it.
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Reading through this I think it's quite impossible for the 720 to be the last console microsoft plan on releasing.
As mentioned they would be pulling out of a market which has made them a shed load of cash already.
If anything the 720 better have backward capability or no one's going to buy it until the first big game comes out.
That being said, the xbox is (in my opinion) probably the most popular console on the market.
It's very likely it will. And hopefully something better than a few select games. >.>
don't you think that smartphone become better?
Gradually, but they won't match to console or PC gaming, no matter how hard you try. Yes, the games are fun to play, and a good way to spend time while travelling, but ultimately it will be consoles that are the leading market in the games industry. The limitations of a smartphone/tablet are much greater than that of a console. With a smartphone and tablet, you're very restricted due to size as you need something you can comfortably hold in your hand and slide into your pocket. Consoles have much more space to work in, so more can be packed in. You said you were a developer, you should know all of this.
Yes I know but what I also sad before is that the game is bigger that only the graphics. I'm a developer and I don't care about the graphics. The gameplay is more important. Even you do care about this, I'm sure about it.
There are also many schools that work with the Ipad. They have stop using a laptop.
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I know a game is much bigger than the graphics, but what I'm saying is there's not much room for complex mechanics to be implemented into a smartphone/tablet game. This is why you don't see complex games in this market, because you not only don't have the room but the control scheme wouldn't allow you to play them either. Remember that the controls are on-screen unless you have third-party components, which makes it really difficult for gamers as part of the screen is covered by your thumbs.
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The reason why games for smartphones aren't complex is because people play it for, let say, 5 min and stop playing. Later they will continue the game.
It's nothing more then just something you do when you're bored. It's a diffrent type of games.
Look to a game like angry birds. Don't you think that the hole gravity thing is not complex?
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Not really, considering it's a very common mechanic in games. This same mechanic has been used in many games in the past way before Angry Birds was even conceived, all with the same element of gameplay (which is why it continues to astound me that Angry Birds was so successful). And the fact that people play these games for 5 minutes or so just proves that smartphones are not going to take off as a major gaming platform, people just aren't interested in these in the long run. The only phone even allowed to be called a "gaming phone" is the iPhone, after Apple patented it.
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And let's not forget that phones still run off of batteries, that die.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that games are the worst battery killers out there. Another reason people only play these games for five minutes or so >>
So unless you want to stay plugged into a wall with your phone, it seems a bit unconventional. That is what computers and consoles are used for, I think?
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Not really, considering it's a very common mechanic in games. This same mechanic has been used in many games in the past way before Angry Birds was even conceived, all with the same element of gameplay (which is why it continues to astound me that Angry Birds was so successful). And the fact that people play these games for 5 minutes or so just proves that smartphones are not going to take off as a major gaming platform, people just aren't interested in these in the long run. The only phone even allowed to be called a "gaming phone" is the iPhone, after Apple patented it.
Sony had also made a game phone with the same functions as the PSP.
You could be right. at the end nobody knows. but if this happends I'm not surprised.
But now is goes bad with the sell of all the consoles.
wii-u is btw a game tablet.
And let's not forget that phones still run off of batteries, that die.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that games are the worst battery killers out there. Another reason people only play these games for five minutes or so >>
So unless you want to stay plugged into a wall with your phone, it seems a bit unconventional. That is what computers and consoles are used for, I think?
I don't agree. GPS take a lot of enegie but most of the game doesn't.
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My GPS takes less battery then my Sonic 3 =I
Also, the Sony Game Phone thing, is just a PSP with calling features, and the Wii U Tablet is just an accessory to the Wii U itself, and is made specifically for gaming, just for the Wii U. It isn't a "Tablet that can play Wii U games" it's a "Wii U Tablet."
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And again with the "console sales" thing.
That is like if a movie is released to theaters, and four months later no one is going out to see it anymore. And instead, go to see a different movie. It's not because the older movie sucks now and the newer one is better, it's because everyone saw the older one >> Same deal with the Smartphones and Consoles.
More new Smartphones are coming out than Consoles. I already own a 360, why would I go out and buy another one? However, I already owned a Smartphone, but a newer one came out so I went and bought it. That's how that works >>
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Yes but the looks like the same. Yes there are difference but they want to add more stuff and more stuff. That's why I think in the future the difference become smaller and smaller.
Don't forget to look at the future.
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I believe I made a comment about the future of it?
"By the time a Smartphone has the power of say, an Xbox/Xbox 360, consoles will have the power of who knows what."
And I'm talking within say, 20 years. I'm not going to look farther, 50, 60, even 100, because that's just way too far for common sense speculation. I could say in 50 years we'll finally have personal jetpacks and 10G internet speed, but that's just asinine =I
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How fast is 10G?
We as consumer will choose what the further will bring. So long there are people that buy a console, there will be a console.
But Nintendo is also bad with performers ans still they sell it. So I don't think the performers is the importens of all.
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The reason that Nintendo's consoles sell so well, is simply because it appeals to *that* genre of gamers. Recreational and Family. Soon, the Wii U is also supposed to be able to fully support what the Hardcore gamers want, as well. I don't know of many Hardcore gamers that use Smartphones and Tablets as even a secondary means of playing their games currently, if at all. In fact, currently the only people I know of that use Smartphones as their main gaming needs, are people that wouldn't label themselves as "Gamers." People who play on the fly, play Facebook games, etc. And that's all well and good for them, hell, I use my phone when I'm not at home to play games, or if I just wanna relax on the recliner and do so.
But as soon as I feel the urge to kick some but, I hop right onto my laptop or my Xbox. It can be argued that you can buy a dock and all this and that for your phone, so that you can do that. But it'll end up costing you more to do that, then to just buy a console and play. For less than $200 you can go and buy an Xbox and two games, get home and play Call of Duty or Halo online with your friends.. For more than that, you can by a Smartphone with a dock and play Angry Birds =I
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You're still missing the point.
Games for smartphones just don't catch people's interests enough to be able to take off. People complain all the time about how they're difficult to control because the controls are on-screen and they're just fiddly and difficult without third-party accessories. On top of that, they never have much to offer to the player. You only need to read a few blogs to know about this. In time they'll become better, but they're never going to catch up to console gaming. The mechanics simply don't match. Nor will they ever. The closest we'll probably get to successful smartphone/tablet gaming is one-hit wonders like Angry Birds and extensions such as the Xbox SmartGlass.
It doesn't take a genius to work these trends out.
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wii-u is btw a game tablet.
Maybe if you have a very loose definition of "game tablet." The Wii-U still requires a console box and TV. The screen on the tablet controller is used a second screen, not as a replacement for the TV. The tablet controller was also built with buttons and controls, the way a handheld would be. If anything, the Wii-U is more like a merging of a handheld (like the DS) and a console.
Tablet gaming devices like the iPhone or iPad would have to incorporate those kind of handheld features (joystick, buttons, d-pad, etc.) in order to be considered a serious gaming device. That would kind of be moving backward, since the whole reason those devices were developed was to REMOVE the button functionality of previous devices (phones, computers) and make use of touch navigation.
It might make sense for Nintendo to move to tablet gaming in the near future. Because Nintendo actually focuses on casual games without caring much about featuring superior graphics, it would make sense to try containing that experience into a tablet device. Nintendo's current selection of games is mostly in the same realm of games that people already play on tablets (that is, games that can be picked up for 5 minutes at a time).
It might also make sense for handheld gaming platforms to move in the direction of tablets. Nintendo has the 3DS, Sony has the Vita. BOTH feature touch controls in some way. Microsoft currently has no dedicated gaming handheld. It would make definitely make sense for Microsoft to develop a handheld alongside a regular console if they chose to do it, and it's very likely that if they did, it would incorporate touch controls in some way.
But it does not make sense for Microsoft to attempt to replace a console with a handheld tablet device. The DS in no way replaced the Wii. The PS Vita in no way replaces the existence of the PS3. Even current tablet devices are not a replacement for serious PC gaming. Using a console and using a handheld gaming device are two completely different experiences for a gamer, and should be treated as such.
So if Microsoft does want to start developing a handheld gaming device, then that's definitely a possibility, but it would be silly to expect a handheld device could replace the console experience at any time in the near future.
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*Gives the Cagon a plate of cookies*
Yeah, that pretty much just summarized all of that right there >3>
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But as soon as I feel the urge to kick some but, I hop right onto my laptop or my Xbox. It can be argued that you can buy a dock and all this and that for your phone, so that you can do that. But it'll end up costing you more to do that, then to just buy a console and play. For less than $200 you can go and buy an Xbox and two games, get home and play Call of Duty or Halo online with your friends.. For more than that, you can by a Smartphone with a dock and play Angry Birds =I
That's maby by you but here smartphones are a lor of cheaper then a xbox (xbox = 200 Euro and smartphone beging at 90 Euro). Most of the people get them free from the mobile provider.And the games of Smartphones are cheaper.
You're still missing the point.
Games for smartphones just don't catch people's interests enough to be able to take off. People complain all the time about how they're difficult to control because the controls are on-screen and they're just fiddly and difficult without third-party accessories. On top of that, they never have much to offer to the player. You only need to read a few blogs to know about this. In time they'll become better, but they're never going to catch up to console gaming. The mechanics simply don't match. Nor will they ever. The closest we'll probably get to successful smartphone/tablet gaming is one-hit wonders like Angry Birds and extensions such as the Xbox SmartGlass.
It doesn't take a genius to work these trends out.
People are changing, more and more people want to play different type of games. Sure the smartphones and tablets are not good enoug (yet) fot that type of games.
Also there is a new group of people that are playing games. these new people want to play diffrent games that.
wii-u is btw a game tablet.
Maybe if you have a very loose definition of "game tablet." The Wii-U still requires a console box and TV. The screen on the tablet controller is used a second screen, not as a replacement for the TV. The tablet controller was also built with buttons and controls, the way a handheld would be. If anything, the Wii-U is more like a merging of a handheld (like the DS) and a console.
Tablet gaming devices like the iPhone or iPad would have to incorporate those kind of handheld features (joystick, buttons, d-pad, etc.) in order to be considered a serious gaming device. That would kind of be moving backward, since the whole reason those devices were developed was to REMOVE the button functionality of previous devices (phones, computers) and make use of touch navigation.
It might make sense for Nintendo to move to tablet gaming in the near future. Because Nintendo actually focuses on casual games without caring much about featuring superior graphics, it would make sense to try containing that experience into a tablet device. Nintendo's current selection of games is mostly in the same realm of games that people already play on tablets (that is, games that can be picked up for 5 minutes at a time).
It might also make sense for handheld gaming platforms to move in the direction of tablets. Nintendo has the 3DS, Sony has the Vita. BOTH feature touch controls in some way. Microsoft currently has no dedicated gaming handheld. It would make definitely make sense for Microsoft to develop a handheld alongside a regular console if they chose to do it, and it's very likely that if they did, it would incorporate touch controls in some way.
But it does not make sense for Microsoft to attempt to replace a console with a handheld tablet device. The DS in no way replaced the Wii. The PS Vita in no way replaces the existence of the PS3. Even current tablet devices are not a replacement for serious PC gaming. Using a console and using a handheld gaming device are two completely different experiences for a gamer, and should be treated as such.
So if Microsoft does want to start developing a handheld gaming device, then that's definitely a possibility, but it would be silly to expect a handheld device could replace the console experience at any time in the near future.
MS is also creating a tablet and smartphone OS (Windows 8). They think that this has a big further.
Casual gaming is indeed for smartphones and tablets. But sony and MS begin also to create casual games.
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There it might be, but not everywhere else =I
You can't assume that just because something works so well somewhere, that it will have to everywhere else. And the reason the games are cheaper, is because they aren't as hefty as the other games, as Kite has mentioned.
And also, Microsoft and Sony aren't the ones making the games, it's the companies making the games for them. And not to mention, Windows 7 works perfectly well for Smartphones and Tablets, Windows 8 is just more *streamlined* for mobile devices. For apps. Not for games. A tablet with Windows 8, won't play a game much better than one with Windows 7 if the hardware doesn't support it =I
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I didn't sad that Windows 8 is better then windows 7.
Also I did it say before, We life in a diffrent world. Here people don't have time to play a game anymore so they play while traveling.
I'm sure that the console never will be sold so good as before but I don't think (now) that it will disappear.
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I never said you did either. I was stating that just because they're making an OS specifically for mobile platforms, doesn't mean that they're going in that direction.
Truly, the main reason they're going in that direction, is because everyone else is. Apple is dominating the Mobile market compared to Microsoft, so they need to kick it up a notch. It's all about the competition.
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Casual gaming lasts for five minutes or so before you set the controller down to do something else. If you want a platform to take off, you first need to entice people DEDICATED to these platforms - hardcore gamers.
Smartphone/tablet games are never going to take off, they don't meet the capabilities of gaming that consoles have. You can call it whatever you like, be it casual gaming or "games are all about the mechanics," but at the end of the day people aren't buying into these games nearly as much as consoles because they don't meet capabilities. Smartphone games CANNOT function in the same way as console games. They'll be good for some quick, cheap cash and for Indie developers to get some practise, but they will not become a major gaming platform. They don't have capability, fanbase or even a practical design.
Maybe in your country consoles aren't selling very well, but you can't single out your country as the "decider" of the future of gaming. Leave that to the consumers at an international scale. Here, console gaming is one of the biggest contributors to the economy, the same as America and many other countries that I can't be bothered to think of right now.
Getting back to the original subject, http://www.oxm.co.uk/42636/microsoft-xbox-360-has-more-than-two-years-of-life-left/ (http://www.oxm.co.uk/42636/microsoft-xbox-360-has-more-than-two-years-of-life-left/)
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Can you imagine the xbox running windows commercially?
A console/desktop
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Hmm... That might work if you do it right o.o
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I was talking about Europe.
But I think this will never end so I will stop. I already sad that you all could be right.
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I live in England.
England is a part of Europe.
There are many successful games companies in Europe.
<_>
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I thought Microsoft said that was the rumor??? No? I heard its Gonna be the'xbox plus' but I could be wrong- I know for sure their re-writing the whole graphics and operating systems for the next generation of platforms, so we've got a few years more to wait