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Title: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Puncia on March 17, 2012, 04:55:56 PM
So those of you who have played this game (or learned the ending in some other way) might be aware of that it's absolutely crap.

Throughout the rest of the 3 game series, your choices have impacts on the outcome, not just in that game but in the sequels, building up to something epic. But the ending of Mass Effect 3 negates all those choices by reducing you to three slightly different colored endings, all of which utterly destroy the setting. Problems you have solved become meaningless as galactic civilization is smashed down to nothing. Literally. The ending comes out of nowhere, ignoring previously established plot lines.

Right now, there are 35 443 people supporting the Demand a better ending to ME3 (https://www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3) Facebook group and the Retake ME3 (http://retakemasseffect.chipin.com/retake-mass-effect-childs-play) donations have reached $58 013.

Supporters boycott Operation Goliath and online games by BioWare, and BioWare in return promises free goods for whoever plays it that same weekend. BioWare is also trying to cover up their ass by lying, saying they've planned a surprise real ending in a DLC and that this one is just the bad guys messing with Shepard's mind.

You all are aware of the videos where Hitler has a rage attack and it's subbed to tell a different story? Yeah, there are videos where they make fun of the ME3 ending. Many.

(http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/demotivational-posters-still-a-better-ending1.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Ares the Ram on March 20, 2012, 07:33:20 PM
i think bioware just wanted to troll everyone :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Puncia on March 20, 2012, 09:12:57 PM
You know, that makes a lot of sense. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Alexei on March 20, 2012, 09:14:21 PM

1. I made 5 characters.
2. 5 different classes.
3. 5 different romances.
4. Made completely different choices.
5. Created 5 distinct personalities.
6. Played through ME1 And ME2 100% 5 times
7. Read all the books
8. Read all the comics
9. Anticipated the conclusion to this series every step of the way

For this. That ending... riddled with plot holes and speculation.
No.
No.
Just no.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Puncia on March 20, 2012, 10:38:36 PM
I haven't even played the games, just seen a few videos and read/heard about them enough to know what they are. I didn't get into the plot, I don't know any NPC's or anything, and I am incredibly disappointed and shocked at the ending. I can't imagine what you must feel.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Alexei on March 25, 2012, 09:25:23 PM
I haven't even played the games, just seen a few videos and read/heard about them enough to know what they are. I didn't get into the plot, I don't know any NPC's or anything, and I am incredibly disappointed and shocked at the ending. I can't imagine what you must feel.
Wow, you didn't even play the games and you knew the ending sucked. That's pretty sad, honestly.  :|
Pretty disappointing experience overall.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Puncia on March 25, 2012, 09:28:51 PM
I'm an avid Let's Play watcher and I like to keep up to date with games in general. Many friends of mine play ME as well and I watched one play during a livestream when he reached the end.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: WhiteTiger89 on April 04, 2012, 05:08:10 AM
Mass Effect 3's ending is a betrayal of the basic promise of the series. That your choices actually matter.

I spent five years and three games fighting to save galactic civilization, only to have it destroyed no matter what choice I make.

I think BioWare is dead to me now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Draco Vertolgr on April 04, 2012, 05:42:39 AM
I find it funny that I finished the game on april fools day...lolol ok where the real ending......
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Puncia on April 04, 2012, 09:13:47 AM
Quote from: GameInformer
BioWare says it's working on game content that will hopefully bring closure and clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3.

A new letter posted by Bioware co-founder Dr. Ray Muzyka addresses the issues and concerns the team has faced since the game launched earlier this month. Muzyka said the development team is working on a number of game content initiatives that will "help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

Muzyka adds that some of the fan outrage has gone a little too far. "We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary," he said.

He concluded by saying fans will hear more about BioWare's plans for Mass Effect 3 in April.
The whole article can be read here (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/21/bioware-addressing-mass-effect-3-criticisms.aspx).

Edit:

I've also heard that EA won the 2012 Golden Poo award for Worst Company in America.  The Consumerist, a professional blog that is part of Consumer Reports, has a contest and EA was voted the Worst Company in America, beating even Bank of America.

Specifically, Mass Effect 3, along with Day One DLCs, removing content from games to sell later as DLCs. And gobbling up independent game companies, grinding the soul of them, and tossing them by the wayside once they have milked their franchise to death and ruined it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: WhiteTiger89 on April 04, 2012, 05:38:42 PM
I admit freely that Mass Effect 3 is a stellar game, but I cannot believe they didn't expect that ending to piss people off like this! Did they really think people didn't realize the mass relays were the foundation of galactic civilization, and that by destroying them, you destroy the civilization you've spent three games trying to save?!

I'd be perfectly fine if the destruction of the relays was still included in some of the less than perfect endings, but I invested a ton of time into Mass Effect 3 making sure I got the perfect ending, to make sure that I saved everyone and everything that I could. To have all that effort rendered meaningless by the unavoidable destruction of the relays is quite simply, not fair.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Puncia on April 04, 2012, 10:03:20 PM
Not one bit. I hear they had two main writers (+ a team) for ME1, then one writer quit and the other did ME2 with the team and then somehow they decided to let the writer do the ending all alone without any help when he is already known for being a douche and dirt bag, needing babysitting from the rest of the team constantly.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Boone Zofox on April 23, 2012, 04:00:51 AM
I'm sorry guys, but I don't know why you're all freaking out so badly. In fact, the only thing I'm "dissapointed" about with the ending is that Garrus told me we were going to get drinks together in heaven and there he was walking off the Normandy in the end (I played as fem shep and romanced Garrus). Although the ending wasn't favorable, it was exactly how it had to end. The point was that the Universe is in a constant cycle and by getting the crucible to the citadel had interrupted that cycle. At that point it was either let the reapers continue their cycle of resetting balance or create a new cycle based on your decision.


And don't even give me that nonsense about your decisions not mattering. Things you did back in Mass Effect 1 played heavily into the actual events of the game. In fact, I think the scene where you shoot Mordin in the back as he tries to cure the Genophage is the most perfect scene I've ever witnessed in a video game. The raw emotion of the entire game, the fact that you had to watch as people you had gotten to know so well were killed off, the fact that your decisions weighed heavily into the survival of an entire species, all of that was perfect.


So I for one will gladly say that I enjoyed the ending of Mass Effect 3. Don't get me wrong, Bioware and EA still suck (Whole DLC situation), but I think they did right with Mass Effect. In fact, I don't think they should release new DLC with a different ending.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: WhiteTiger89 on April 25, 2012, 05:27:26 AM
I'm sorry guys, but I don't know why you're all freaking out so badly. In fact, the only thing I'm "dissapointed" about with the ending is that Garrus told me we were going to get drinks together in heaven and there he was walking off the Normandy in the end (I played as fem shep and romanced Garrus). Although the ending wasn't favorable, it was exactly how it had to end. The point was that the Universe is in a constant cycle and by getting the crucible to the citadel had interrupted that cycle. At that point it was either let the reapers continue their cycle of resetting balance or create a new cycle based on your decision.


And don't even give me that nonsense about your decisions not mattering. Things you did back in Mass Effect 1 played heavily into the actual events of the game. In fact, I think the scene where you shoot Mordin in the back as he tries to cure the Genophage is the most perfect scene I've ever witnessed in a video game. The raw emotion of the entire game, the fact that you had to watch as people you had gotten to know so well were killed off, the fact that your decisions weighed heavily into the survival of an entire species, all of that was perfect.


So I for one will gladly say that I enjoyed the ending of Mass Effect 3. Don't get me wrong, Bioware and EA still suck (Whole DLC situation), but I think they did right with Mass Effect. In fact, I don't think they should release new DLC with a different ending.

If you truly want to know why the vast majority of us are pissed about the ending, watch this video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E#ws)

That video will explain it far better than I can.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Puncia on April 25, 2012, 04:08:02 PM
I watched the whole thing. Well worth the 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Boone Zofox on April 26, 2012, 05:41:58 AM
Well when you put it that way, I see that I was judging people's reactions to it completely wrong. I will say that I am very dissapointed with the plot holes, lack of closure, and the fact that I don't get to see the army of Elcor storming through London. That all would have been great to see and I completely agree that if that's what people are blaming the horrible ending on, then yes.


I think I was just caught up believing that everyone was pissed about the ending because of Shepard dying no matter what and only being given three choices as to how to set the universe right. Like any stuck up movie critic I was stuck analyzing the meaning of the ending rather than actually paying attention to the things that were actually wrong.

With that said, I still stand by my statement that the actual message of the ending was a good one. That organics (humans or what not) are naturally a source of chaos. We go to war with eachother, we kill, we steal, we rape and pillage, so on and so forth. To an artificial intelligence, we are too dangerous to be kept alive for too long. So this "god child" is the balancing force of the galaxy. The fact that Shepard met the child showed that there is hope in organic life, but no matter what, the cycle must continue. So as much as I would have loved to see the renegade option where you tell the kid to screw off (They should have put that in there) you still need to be reminded of the mortality of organics. That we can't live with a certain God complex and, in a sense, need to be purged to allow room for the less advanced to live their own way.


So that's my take on the ending. I completely understand that the writers done f-ed up with multiple other things, and I take back what I said about not wanting a new ending. Although I absolutely despise DLC. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Puncia on April 26, 2012, 06:07:11 PM
I think it's very cheap, "forcing" people to get them just to make more money, when I'm sure they are making tons already.

This video focuses more on the DLC aspect and how BioWare is making a fool of themselves, and not at all on the ending. I've watched it before and I recommend it even if it's a tad outdated. I fully agree with it.
Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM#ws)
"Now, since this is available on launch, and it is indeed not simply a piece of cosmetic content, that means that the development budget has been spent on content which is not widely available for everybody. So that means, quite obviously, that the game, on launch,  is not complete. the products that you buy, on the shelf, or on Steam, (if it is not the collector's edition, which I might add costs more) is not. Content. Complete."
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: WhiteTiger89 on April 26, 2012, 11:45:53 PM
Well when you put it that way, I see that I was judging people's reactions to it completely wrong. I will say that I am very dissapointed with the plot holes, lack of closure, and the fact that I don't get to see the army of Elcor storming through London. That all would have been great to see and I completely agree that if that's what people are blaming the horrible ending on, then yes.


I think I was just caught up believing that everyone was pissed about the ending because of Shepard dying no matter what and only being given three choices as to how to set the universe right. Like any stuck up movie critic I was stuck analyzing the meaning of the ending rather than actually paying attention to the things that were actually wrong.

With that said, I still stand by my statement that the actual message of the ending was a good one. That organics (humans or what not) are naturally a source of chaos. We go to war with eachother, we kill, we steal, we rape and pillage, so on and so forth. To an artificial intelligence, we are too dangerous to be kept alive for too long. So this "god child" is the balancing force of the galaxy. The fact that Shepard met the child showed that there is hope in organic life, but no matter what, the cycle must continue. So as much as I would have loved to see the renegade option where you tell the kid to screw off (They should have put that in there) you still need to be reminded of the mortality of organics. That we can't live with a certain God complex and, in a sense, need to be purged to allow room for the less advanced to live their own way.


So that's my take on the ending. I completely understand that the writers done f-ed up with multiple other things, and I take back what I said about not wanting a new ending. Although I absolutely despise DLC. Thoughts?


I actually like the idea of DLC and how SOME developers use it. Bethesda for example, with Oblivion and hopefully Skyrim. With ME 3 however, I don't know. My feelings will ultimately depend on what all they expand on with the free "Extended Cut" ending that comes out this summer. I actually managed to get one of the two endings where Shepard survives, so... we'll see.


My two big things that I want changed? The Mass Relays either don't get destroyed or are rebuilt, and a dialog option where we get to prove the God Child wrong if we managed to bring a peaceful end to the Geth/Quarian War. If we do that, then we should be able to use that as proof against the God Child's claim that synthetics and organics can never peacefully coexist.

If those two things are added to the ME3 ending, then I will be pacified.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (ending spoilers)
Post by: Boone Zofox on April 27, 2012, 01:30:37 AM
I agree, some companies get it right. There was a rage comic that put it perfectly that I saw the other day. DLC should be the company giving you more cake, not the rest of the cake that you already ordered. Even if it is free, it's a pain to have to download the rest of your game. Bethesda does it right. They say if the game's not how they want it when release date rolls around, they won't release it. But I'm a little excited to see what this new "extended cut" entails.