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Furry Chat => General => Topic started by: icy wolf on May 04, 2011, 08:49:22 PM
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so just in case you dont know what karma is hears the deflation
the belief inv the concept of "action" or "deed", understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect.
so in other word good actions lead to good cause and effects
negative actions lead to negative cause effects
or if you like
for each action there is an equivalent and equal reaction.
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Karma is the very base of my beliefs. I have found much proof in my life that its real and exists. And if it doesn't? well then I still went through life a pretty nice guy. I cant lose. :D
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Murder, thievery, muggings, rape, and so much more go on on a daily basis. Many of these crimes go unpunished for days, weeks, months, even years. Sometimes the offender is never brought to justice before they die happily in their bed of old age. With this in mind, no, I don't believe karma exists. Life is far too picky in who it decides get punished for their crimes and who is rewarded for their good deeds for me to have any reason to.
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No. I believe one does whatever they want with their life and makes of it whatever they want to make...whether they are a bad or good person. Free will is free will no matter your situation you can do what you want with yourself.
A good person can be totally unhappy if they want to be. A bad person can get away with all their crimes and be perfectly happy if they're smart and try.
Depends on the individual. Not some cosmic force.
(in my opinion)
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I don't believe in karma in a supernatural, or mystical vein. (ie: Stealing a cookie from a cookie jar isn't the catalyst for a book falling on one's head later). But, a form of it does exist. If I were to harm someone, in some way, odds are that person would try to harm me back in the same way (or worse) which would be the "measure for measure" that karma is based on. Another thing is, if I were to do something against the law, then the law would punish me and that's another form of the "measure for measure" of karma. There are other examples that exist in the real world, but I just view it as something physical and something done by humans for the most part, than say, I throw a can into the trash and just happen to trip the next day.
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In my honest opinion. I tend not to believe in such things. I do something nice because I want to, not because I believe I will get something good, I do it merely for the act of helping someone, making their life a little easier as I know life can be a total b****.
I dont believe if you do bad things a cosmic energy will punish you. I believe people will merely seek revenge upon that person. there have been cases of child rapists winning the lottery, or serial killers never being caught or punished.
I can sometimes be a spiritual person, but I am not religious. I do not hold anything against anyone who is, and I wont try and change them. Just as I hope they dont try to change my beliefs.
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I definitely think what goes around comes around, so I do believe in karma.
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I don't believe in Karam
but, for once, I do hope I'm wrong, I wish it was real, I just don't believe in it.
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I don't believe in luck, fate nor karma. Life is just a series of coincidences and all choices everyone has ever done were part chance.
IMHO.
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The only thing I've notices is bad things have a bad effect on my mind, and good things have a good effect. Is that Karma?
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That's your consciousness
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Well besides the effects on my conscious I don't really see any other good/bad cause and effects corresponding with my actions....
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I don't think it's a strict rule that doing something good = something good done to you and doing something bad = something bad done to you, but I think things do tend to work out that way sometimes.
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Generally, I don't believe there's some form of perfect system where good happens to good people and vise versa but I do believe you're punished for things that are generally bad and rewarded for things that are good, bad being defined by it's affect on those around you (So it's not like there's a rule book with obscure rules or anything, it has to actually do something bad to be bad.)
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I also think that there is no such thing as a perfect "good" or "evil". Whatever you do, no matter how or why, there will ALWAYS be someone that believes this to be a good thing. Always someone that believes it is a bad thing.
Buy your mate a gift out of pure love and affection. Good, yes? No. Not if children slaved in China to make it. Bad? No. Maybe one of these children are keeping their siblings alive with their work? Good? No. Poor children litter the streets and cause criminality to rise. Bad? No. I bet someone out there would be dead if they didn't make money though crime... And so on.
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I also think that there is no such thing as a perfect "good" or "evil". Whatever you do, no matter how or why, there will ALWAYS be someone that believes this to be a good thing. Always someone that believes it is a bad thing.
Buy your mate a gift out of pure love and affection. Good, yes? No. Not if children slaved in China to make it. Bad? No. Maybe one of these children are keeping their siblings alive with their work? Good? No. Poor children litter the streets and cause criminality to rise. Bad? No. I bet someone out there would be dead if they didn't make money though crime... And so on.
Well said. I definitely think most will agree that certain actions are more or less universally "good" or "bad", but it's easy enough to see that no there is no tangible line that human morality follows. There's always another side of the coin to consider.
To add an example of my own: murder. Generally, most people will tell you that murder is wrong; it's practically a knee-jerk reaction. Yet ask them how they feel about killing a bandit or rapist in self-defense, or what they think about killing a person they don't know to save another that they consider a close friend. Interestingly enough, you'll find plenty of people change their mind and make exceptions for such situations. So is murder wrong? Maybe, under certain circumstances. But is it a definitive rule? Not at all.
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So then what makes karma good or bad? Your intention?
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more or less. actually, it is what really affects karma, but karma is kinda weird in that if you do something bad that turns out good, something bad will hapen to you, unless that good TOTALLY counters the bad. as in you robbing a bank of a stuck-up millionaire and giving it all to charity or something. at least, that is how I see it.
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So then what makes karma good or bad? Your intention?
Well, I don't actually believe in karma, so that's not really the best question to ask me. As far as I'm concerned, anything good or bad that happens to you is a completely separate situation from any previous actions. Even when a criminal is "brought to justice", that's just a response by people enforcing laws that we created. There's no force outside of humanity involved.
A better question would be what makes any particular action a person takes good or bad. And my answer to that would be that it's completely subjective, depending on the opinion of the individual, and it varies further depending on the details of the specific situation.
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well it all depends on how you look at it , lets say you help out some one... and this person remembers you and tells other people about you and then one day when your in need of help some one helps you for no resin at all.
how would you see that?
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well it all depends on how you look at it , lets say you help out some one... and this person remembers you and tells other people about you and then one day when your in need of help some one helps you for no resin at all.
how would you see that?
That's not really how it would work. If a person you help tells others about you and then they decide to help you, it is more than likely in response to the help you offered the person that told them about you. That's not "for no reason at all". It's a natural inclination of humans to provide aid to others who need it, and that inclination is only magnified when you know that the person has in the past done things that would merit praise (such as helping another person). That's still completely in the realm of humanity; it requires no outside forces.
In simpler terms: if you help those in their time of need, people are more inclined to help you when you're in a similar situation. If you don't help others, someone may still help you out of the goodness of their heart, but it's less likely. It's the whole "respect is not given; it's earned" thing. In other words, not karma.
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I like to remember the respect rule of thumb that is mentioned above here. However, it won't always work to your benefit. Like if you treat someone with as little respect that they show you, by never holding something if they need a hand, never moving if they're in your way, never doing you a small favour, you might be labelled just as disrespectful/distasteful yourself. And if you confront this person, you might be told that you're just the same yourself.
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I like to remember the respect rule of thumb that is mentioned above here. However, it won't always work to your benefit. Like if you treat someone with as little respect that they show you, by never holding something if they need a hand, never moving if they're in your way, never doing you a small favour, you might be labelled just as disrespectful/distasteful yourself. And if you confront this person, you might be told that you're just the same yourself.
Point. Though I do feel that the population who go above and beyond the rule, for one reason or another, does serve to balance out the likelihood of someone being branded as "disrespectful" for merely remaining respectfully inactive towards others who have yet to "prove themselves," so the speak. If it came down to such a situation, wherein I was being called disrespectful for not helping others as much as I could, I'd probably do one of two things. I'd either 1) take it as initiative to go out of my way more to help others where I can, so as to avoid such a confrontation from reoccurring, or more likely 2) take it as the person not being worth my time anyway if they can't judge me by merits outside of how much I help other people. Call it a character flaw, if you wish. I'm working on it, but being as introverted as I am, it's no easy task.
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I for one as a believer in Karma don't believe there is a cosmic force that surrounds us and see's justice is done. i believe it is up to individuals in society to produce the cause and effect we call Karma. i believe that there are some people that participate in the cycle giving credit when credit is due going out of their way to reward goodness and not giving jerks the time of day, but i think there are just as many people that do not participate in the cycle and thusly the flow is interrupted. This however is human nature and for Karma to work under my definition to the fullest extent we would have to live in a utopia but we don't and if we living in a utopia there would be no evil so Karma would be a mute point.
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I Dont really believe in karma.
Like the comments above, a lot of bad stuff (Crimes/murder/theft) happens to people and families who dont deserve it.
I Believe more in the fact that one should help out other people around him/her, and just be nice to each other. Together we can create our own good karma. ^_^
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well also with karma, if you do believe in past life(s) what has happend in this life could be because of what you did there.
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I've made a lot of mistakes in life and more often than not those mistakes have come back to haunt me later on. Same goes with the good things I've done in life. I've done good things (Hopefully more good than bad) and I've been rewarded later on. Do I believe in karma? Absolutely. And I couldn't agree more with what White said at the beginning of this thread: "What goes around comes around."
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this is why i try to base most of my action on doing good.
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I've made a lot of mistakes in life and more often than not those mistakes have come back to haunt me later on. Same goes with the good things I've done in life. I've done good things (Hopefully more good than bad) and I've been rewarded later on. Do I believe in karma? Absolutely. And I couldn't agree more with what White said at the beginning of this thread: "What goes around comes around."
Could you clarify for me: do you believe in karma as in the supernatural force which governs the good and bad things that happen to us throughout life based on the respective acts we've done in the past, or do you think of karma as more of a physical, human-based thing? I've heard people voice opinions of both, but I'm not quite sure which side you're taking.
By the assurance in the tone of your post, I'm guessing you're more in favor of the supernatural explanation; however, you say that "in your life" more often than not your mistakes come back to haunt you. And vice versa with the "good" things you've done. If you're standing for a supernatural karma, why then don't all of your actions come back to "haunt" or "bless" you? Just something to think about.
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I've made a lot of mistakes in life and more often than not those mistakes have come back to haunt me later on. Same goes with the good things I've done in life. I've done good things (Hopefully more good than bad) and I've been rewarded later on. Do I believe in karma? Absolutely. And I couldn't agree more with what White said at the beginning of this thread: "What goes around comes around."
Could you clarify for me: do you believe in karma as in the supernatural force which governs the good and bad things that happen to us throughout life based on the respective acts we've done in the past, or do you think of karma as more of a physical, human-based thing? I've heard people voice opinions of both, but I'm not quite sure which side you're taking.
By the assurance in the tone of your post, I'm guessing you're more in favor of the supernatural explanation; however, you say that "in your life" more often than not your mistakes come back to haunt you. And vice versa with the "good" things you've done. If you're standing for a supernatural karma, why then don't all of your actions come back to "haunt" or "bless" you? Just something to think about.
I stand from a supernatural sense of karma. And as for "all" of my actions coming back to haunt or bless me, I'm thinking now that they probably have and I just didn't start noticing until a little while ago. A good question though I must say ^_^.
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I agree with Drakos completely, I think the same way. So it's best to try to be nice as much as you can and maybe it will come back to you! Nothing to lose anyways trying to do nice things for people :P
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I'm glad someone agrees with me. I have to credit my belief in part to my mother who thinks the same way and taught me to think this way :D.
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Fair enough. I haven't seen such a keen sense of justice from the universe in my life thus far, so I see no reason to buy into it myself, but I can understand how you might feel that way given your own experiences.
I will say though that regardless of my lack of belief in any force that one might call "karma", I do strongly believe that doing nice things for others is always something that should be commended (assuming no ulterior motives from the party involved), and it is something that I do strive for on a day-to-day basis. :)
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i agree with darkos and WWG, i have done some stuff that is bad and i have been repayed with bad karma, i have done good stuff and i have been repayed with good karma. for example i got in to a fight with some one i know in RL and a few hours later i missed a bus i need to take some where.