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Furry Chat => Rants and Advice => Topic started by: The Past on September 14, 2010, 10:43:01 PM
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I'm worried about posting this on here...
Well, I have been irritated by this for a while but had been holding it back until I saw an example of it in the most unexpected place. That was the last I could take...
I am tired of gays and bi people showing off their sexual choice! I have absolutely NO problem with their preference, what I don't like is that so many of them have made it into some sort of fashion! What the hell?
So many people at my school have been doing this stuff. They cover themselves in "YAY FOR GAY" stuff and show it off. Why can't you just be gay and.... just be friggen gay? Is wearing that stuff and shouting your orientation all the time REALLY necessary? I don't think so.
And I've seen it on these forums, too! (That's why I didn't want to post this on here :/ )
I keep seeing people put big bright pictures in their signatures saying how they are bi and such. Every time I see those I sigh, facepalm, or growl in annoyance.
It doesn't matter if you're bi or gay! Just be it! It doesn't make you special or awesome.
Oh, I'm straight! I can wear straight pride stuff! But I'm not going to, because it's just my sexuality and nothing more!
Please don't misunderstand me here. Again, I have no problem with being bi or gay. Hell, I used to be bi until I realized I was attracted to guys much more than girls. But I never showed it off for the same reason I don't show off my heterosexual-ness now.
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ok i see what ur saying
(im not offended)
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Huh, being bi is fashionable now?
Well... I now have something more to brag about.... But I will not brag.
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I have got to agree with you there Lita, It kinda gets on my nerves too.
If you bi/gay be bi/gay its fine but dont go posting it left right and centre. (BTW i am BI and not offended)
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I feel EXACTLY the same way. A few months ago I went to Disneyland and it happened to be Gay Day. Everyone was wearing shirts that had pride stuff all over it. It made me mad too. It would be like wearing a shirt that says "I love ice cream!!! Ice cream lovers unite!!!" I'm bi and I think that pride stuff is a bunch of bull.
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Heh, I would NEVER wear a shirt/apparel that says anything like that even though I'm Bi but lean towards guys more.
I much prefer to keep it to myself unless their a friend or if someone asks.
Besides rainbows are kind of gaudy, they look good in the sky not on apparel.
So I'm going to have to just say that I also agree.
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Well... I sort of agree, but sort of don't.
While I do agree it can be pushed so far that it's annoying, I don't think there's anything wrong with someone wanting to indicate that they're bi/gay. It tells people something about you. You don't have to keep telling people you're bi/gay over and over because they can see for themselves, and people don't have to go around whispering about it because they wonder whether it's true or not. Drama drama drama, blah blah, etc.
When you first meet someone (if you have no obvious reason to think otherwise), chances are you assume they're straight. Don't you think it cuts out some of the crap if you can just say, "Hi - just so you know, I'm gay, let's move on with our lives"? Not to mention it makes it a lot easier when you're trying to find a same-sex partner, because there isn't exactly an over-abundance of them usually.
I do hate it when people feel they have to shove it in your face, but I believe there can be a happy medium where you can show it without making a big deal out of it.
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Good point, Zeph. I just think people should bring up their sexuality when it's necessary, like in a conversation relating to it. That goes for all of them, including heterosexuality.
Gays, bisexuals, and straights are all equal to me. I don't believe one can be special due to their preference.
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Well I think I might have to partially go back on my "I agree" statement, as it was rather hasty.
While I do believe that it is polite to not mention anything about your sexuality unless asked or if they need to know, this is my personal belief and I will not push it on others EVER.
The other reason why I partially went back on my agree is because I also believe in our (U.S.A.) constitution and all of its amendments quite heavily.
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Yeah, I guess it doesn't matter. As I said it just annoys me, but people can do what they want. I was a bit angry at the time I wrote this... I really wish I kept it to myself. I feel mean. >_<;;
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You're not mean. Everyone gets angry at times.
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I don't think you came off as mean you just needed to vent (everybody has to sometime), that's why the rants and advice forum is here.
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Yush your right, You didn't mean to offend anyone and you didnt, I feel fine about it
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^ exactly. I'm not offended one bit.
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I think most of it stems from persecution to the gay/bi communities. There are a lot of times that gay folk are treated unfairly, such as marriage and it effects aspects of their lives. Having "Gay Pride" as a slogan is more of a show of defiance to the masses that they will not be kept down by their choice of sexuality. Its taken to far and in some cases it draws more hate then there might of been previously. Regardless of its annoyance they do struggle in a lot of places to be accepted. Popular media does not help this at all by using slanderous gay stereotypes. Even the furry community suffers as a whole as furry is often held synonymous with gay people. (And sometimes bestiality but thats a different story)
If they weren't so persecuted they probably wouldn't have a reason to have to throw it in peoples faces so much. After all you don't really see people wearing, "Straight Pride" shirts and thats because its held as the acceptable sexual orientation by the ignorant masses. People should not hold themselves by what the masses think, as the masses also tend to think being a gangster and objectifying women is cool. (CLUE: its not) Thats not to say some gay pride folk don't take it extremely too far. Like any group of people you have your extremists and you have those who aren't. They often segregate themselves more by flaunting it then they would if they just acted like a normal human being.
My personal opinion is one best keep that pride crap out of my face. If you want my respect you'll not earn it by making yourself a banner. Shoving it down people's throats does not, to me, signify any sort of self confidence or pride but a need to force acceptance. Do you think by flying the "Gay Pride" banner your going to make people understand you for who you are? All your doing is creating a stereotype that people are going to find obnoxious. People are going to compare that stereotype with being gay and in the end your creating more problems for yourself then you are helping. Acting like a human being is the only way to be treated as such. You can be happy about who you are without making a ridiculous scene about it.
This isn't just limited to gay pride either, furries are notorious for it too. Same goes for religions, politics and race. Everybody loves to segregate themselves in an effort to feel special when in reality they are a detriment to the unity and evolution of our species
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I don't see any problem with being proud of something, but flaunting it on a daily bases will annoy me beyond beleif. If you're gay/bi, that's alright. Just don't wear the stuff all the time. If being gay dosn't change you, then it shouldn't change your style of clothing.
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/\ EXACTLY, Well put ShadoWolf
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I was on another forum and something to do with gay marriage or something and something came up and someone said something along the lines of:
"I get that you want to be treated like straight people, but straight people don't go through the streets shirtless screaming 'We are heterosexuals!!!'"
He has a point, and someone replied
"Yes, I agree with you, but straight people were never hated for who they are."
So I agree with the replier, it's over doing it, but straight people don't do it because nothing ever lead them to need to defend themselves for their sexuality.
I think people over react though, the world is a lot more accepting of gays now but just because they know there are haters some places in the world they feel the need to defend themselves everywhere.
Also I agree with Tezztor, it's not just gays, pretty much everything considered different from society's definition of 'normal' feels the need to defend itself, and there are almost always someone who will over do it.
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Oi, I'm worried about posting this on here...
Well, I have been irritated by this for a while but had been holding it back until I saw an example of it in the most unexpected place. That was the last I could take...
I am tired of gays and bi people showing off their sexual choice! I have absolutely NO problem with their preference, what I don't like is that so many of them have made it into some sort of fashion! What the hell?
So many people at my school have been doing this stuff. They cover themselves in "YAY FOR GAY" stuff and show it off. Why can't you just be gay and.... just be friggen gay? Is wearing that stuff and shouting your orientation all the time REALLY necessary? I don't think so.
And I've seen it on these forums, too! (That's why I didn't want to post this on here :/ )
I keep seeing people put big bright pictures in their signatures saying how they are bi and such. Every time I see those I sigh, facepalm, or growl in annoyance.
It doesn't matter if you're bi or gay! Just be it! It doesn't make you special or awesome.
Oh, I'm straight! I can wear straight pride stuff! But I'm not going to, because it's just my sexuality and nothing more!
Please don't misunderstand me here. Again, I have no problem with being bi or gay. Hell, I used to be bi until I realized I was attracted to guys much more than girls. But I never showed it off for the same reason I don't show off my heterosexual-ness now.
Amen.
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I was on another forum and something to do with gay marriage or something and something came up and someone said something along the lines of:
"I get that you want to be treated like straight people, but straight people don't go through the streets shirtless screaming 'We are heterosexuals!!!'"
He has a point, and someone replied
"Yes, I agree with you, but straight people were never hated for who they are."
So I agree with the replier, it's over doing it, but straight people don't do it because nothing ever lead them to need to defend themselves for their sexuality.
I think people over react though, the world is a lot more accepting of gays now but just because they know there are haters some places in the world they feel the need to defend themselves everywhere.
Also I agree with Tezztor, it's not just gays, pretty much everything considered different from society's definition of 'normal' feels the need to defend itself, and there are almost always someone who will over do it.
In the furry fandom, straights are persecuted, but we still don't wear "Straight Pride" shirts.
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without the benefit of reading everything else here, i'm gonna post my opinion. sorry if i directly get in the way of what someone else has said. it's my fault for not coming online here for a while;
the reason that people celebrate and broadcast the fact they're gay/bi in such a way is because it's a form of identity, very similar to the way in which many furries broadcast being a furry by hanging out in animal costumes, or the way a fan of a particular band will display it by wearing a t-shirt with the name and logo on it. yes, sexuality is just sexuality, but it can (and often is) be a form of identity too. i personally don't see anything wrong with that. yeah it gets on people's nerves but i personally don't see any problem with that either XD
don't get me wrong. i am gay, but i am *far* from wearing gay pride necklaces and screaming "i'm a homo!" at the top of my voice. i don't get involved in the gay scene at all because i don't think it represents what homosexuality means to me. so i identify as a homosexual in other ways. this is actualy a problem i have with quite a few furries i've met is that they don't identify with *anything*. i used to think that identifying with something held you back, but after meeting a lot more people i've come to the conclusion that we as people (and especialy 13-25 year olds) need something(s) to identify with in order to maintain a healthy mental state of mind. weather it be to a certain sexuality, love of a certain band or type of music, race, culture, sport... anything really.
what i do have a problem with however;
when homosexuals who positively identify and shout it out from the rooftops then complain when they get mocked or persecuted against. my personal viewpoint is that you deserve whatever you can't handle if you do that sort of thing. most of them *can* handle it (obviously when mocking and persecution becomes serious homophobia it crosses a line and becomes a different long post in a different thread) and take it in their stride... however there are a select few who will complain very seriously about gay jokes. clearly without the knowledge that when they complain it makes people (in 100% honesty, like me) want to carry on. these people, and there's no better way of saying this, need to harden the **** up, or stop screaming their sexuality.
i apologise if someone takes a contrary stance and i don't reply... i've been very lacklustre with forums recently and the best way to get a response out of me would be through IM.
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Now its my turn :D
Just like Tezztor said, a lot of Gays (bi/ w/e) where those shirts to signify disobidnece against the mass majority popular belief. I would (most likely) wear a shirt that says "I'm a furry" because, I am one, and I don't care what people think. Much like the reasons the Gay's where there shirts, I have no problem with that kind of thing. I'm not totally sure what is wrong with wearing the shirt? I do understand about the other stuff, like "hey every one I'm gay" its like no one cares. Being over dramatic about it, is annoying, but I don't see wearing a small simple shirt that big of a deal. Now there are those shirts that do get carried away like one I saw in hot topic that said "Lady Gay Gay" I was like rely... But with those baners, I found nothing wrong with them, I don't see what the big deal about them was either. Note I'm very open minded so I would like for this to be explained, I'm not trying to say that there couldn't be a good reason.
And no offense Akula but, You went on gay pride day, and you expected them not to wear that stuff. Thats like going to a church on Easter and expect them not to talk about Jesus or anything.
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Now its my turn :D
Just like Tezztor said, a lot of Gays (bi/ w/e) where those shirts to signify disobidnece against the mass majority popular belief. I would (most likely) wear a shirt that says "I'm a furry" because, I am one, and I don't care what people think. Much like the reasons the Gay's where there shirts, I have no problem with that kind of thing. I'm not totally sure what is wrong with wearing the shirt? I do understand about the other stuff, like "hey every one I'm gay" its like no one cares. Being over dramatic about it, is annoying, but I don't see wearing a small simple shirt that big of a deal. Now there are those shirts that do get carried away like one I saw in hot topic that said "Lady Gay Gay" I was like rely... But with those baners, I found nothing wrong with them, I don't see what the big deal about them was either. Note I'm very open minded so I would like for this to be explained, I'm not trying to say that there couldn't be a good reason.
And no offense Akula but, You went on gay pride day, and you expected them not to wear that stuff. Thats like going to a church on Easter and expect them not to talk about Jesus or anything.
Now see, I went on Gay Day without knowing it at all. I didn't know until I walked in the park.
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I think most of it stems from persecution to the gay/bi communities. There are a lot of times that gay folk are treated unfairly, such as marriage and it effects aspects of their lives. Having "Gay Pride" as a slogan is more of a show of defiance to the masses that they will not be kept down by their choice of sexuality. Its taken to far and in some cases it draws more hate then there might of been previously. Regardless of its annoyance they do struggle in a lot of places to be accepted. Popular media does not help this at all by using slanderous gay stereotypes. Even the furry community suffers as a whole as furry is often held synonymous with gay people. (And sometimes bestiality but thats a different story)
If they weren't so persecuted they probably wouldn't have a reason to have to throw it in peoples faces so much. After all you don't really see people wearing, "Straight Pride" shirts and thats because its held as the acceptable sexual orientation by the ignorant masses. People should not hold themselves by what the masses think, as the masses also tend to think being a gangster and objectifying women is cool. (CLUE: its not) Thats not to say some gay pride folk don't take it extremely too far. Like any group of people you have your extremists and you have those who aren't. They often segregate themselves more by flaunting it then they would if they just acted like a normal human being.
My personal opinion is one best keep that pride crap out of my face. If you want my respect you'll not earn it by making yourself a banner. Shoving it down people's throats does not, to me, signify any sort of self confidence or pride but a need to force acceptance. Do you think by flying the "Gay Pride" banner your going to make people understand you for who you are? All your doing is creating a stereotype that people are going to find obnoxious. People are going to compare that stereotype with being gay and in the end your creating more problems for yourself then you are helping. Acting like a human being is the only way to be treated as such. You can be happy about who you are without making a ridiculous scene about it.
This isn't just limited to gay pride either, furries are notorious for it too. Same goes for religions, politics and race. Everybody loves to segregate themselves in an effort to feel special when in reality they are a detriment to the unity and evolution of our species
Well put Tezz.
I agree.
:'3
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I believe bi/guys should be out and proud ( straight BTW ) but still not shove it in peoples faces