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Title: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on June 22, 2010, 01:08:51 PM
Now while I know therian and otherkin are terms to describe a long ranging topic with several different views and opinions, you do not have to agree with me nor does any of what I say mean it's true, however from the general consensus of therian and otherkin groups online, the following links should provide an understanding of what a therian and othekin is. Information shall be backed up by online sources for credible purposes.


Otherkin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin)
http://www.otherkin.net/articles/what.html (http://www.otherkin.net/articles/what.html)

As the therian link suggests, there is a difference between therians and furries, therians are much more spiritually and/or mentally involved with the animal they are associated with. This however does not mean that furries cannot be therian or vice-versa, it's just perspectives. Otherkin on the otherhand can also be classified as therians to some degree, but often show different characteristics which is why they are considered another type of their own. Of course this means you can be both therian and otherkin.

Therianthropy Explained:

Other things to take into account are that the encyclopedia meaning of "therianthropy"
refers to the metamorphosis of humans into other animals.[1] from n. therianthrope and adj. therianthropic, part man and part beast, from the Greek theríon, meaning "wild animal" or "beast" (impliedly mammalian), and anthrōpos, meaning "human being") Therianthropes have long existed in mythology, appearing in ancient cave drawings[2] such as the Sorcerer at Les Trois Frères. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therianthropy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therianthropy)

The modern day meaning while not incorrect should not be taken literally when considering
therians and/or otherkin beliefs, it is simply the word that derived their identifing label from. Generally never believed to be manifested physically, this means that online generally the accepted idea is that there are no physical associations to the animal that therians and/or otherkin represent. In example, a wolf therian cannot metamorph into a wolf nor a dragon otherkin transforming into a dragon. This does not mean though that therians will not show any signs of the animal they are like, Therians/Otherkin can show the thoughts, feelings, desires,and even actions between people around them from their animal characteristics. Again this should be noted that Therians and Otherkin should not be identified as furries, because as disrespectful as insults are to people, their beliefs prefer to be named properly in many cases. However if such people find it does not bother them, then it's okay.

Definition of Theriotype - Basically the "type" of animal a Therian is, for example a Siberian tiger would be a single theriotype. Therians can have more than one theriotype, but it is not as common as single types.

Shifting Defined and the Different Types:

Shifting is just as much a part of Therian as it is Otherkin, but Otherkin does not generally coin this term with different ideals towards the premise, Therians on the other hand will become more like the theriotype they represent in the form of a change also known as "shift". This shift causing psychological, spiritual, energy, and/or outward appearance to change more appropriately to fit their theriotype. Shifting is not necessarily a required trait to be Therian and should not be taken as such as not all Therians experience shifts.

The different types of shifts are: mental, phantom, astral, dream, physical, and cameo shifts.

More often than Otherkin in general, Therians experience moments of what is known as "shifting" where their psychological, spiritual, energy, and/or appearance will change to more appropriately fit the animal they represent.

Otherkin Explained:

Otherkin can more or less consider themselves not human in some manner, where it be physically/spiritually/energetically/mentally etc, the focus of Otherkin resides more on society deemed "mythological" creatures such as elves, angels, demons, werewolves, vampires, faeries, dragons, centaurs etcetera and not limited to these mentioned. Other such characteristics as the feeling of being in the wrong gender, body, or something of a lost nature in this world can be considered Otherkin. Other traits can be strange allergies to certain objects and/or materials, memories not your own *as in you don't remember them actually happening but remember them*, dreams of past lives and/or deaths, thoughts or sights awkward to yourself, and many more things. Source: http://kinhost.org/res/Otherfaq.php#1_2 (http://kinhost.org/res/Otherfaq.php#1_2)

Not always used or made for identifying Otherkin, the "Acute Heptagram" symbol also known as Faerie or Elven Star represents Otherkin in some places online and elsewhere. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Acute_heptagram.svg/615px-Acute_heptagram.svg.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Acute_heptagram.svg/615px-Acute_heptagram.svg.png)

Feel free to add any more info to this as I am not 100% knowledgeable, as this was written just for the purpose of understanding, but please provide sources to your information to give it credibility. I will add more information later today as well.
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: ___ on June 22, 2010, 04:37:26 PM
This needs to be stickied. :)
Great information here.
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Self-sain on June 23, 2010, 03:36:34 PM
I was always curious what would an elf count as (the mythological elf not not Santa Claus nonsense)
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on June 23, 2010, 09:57:51 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin?wasRedirected=true

"Common creatures otherkin identify as include angels, demons, dragons, elves, extra-[ 2][ 3] terrestrials, fairies, kitsune, and lycanthropes (werewolves).[ 2][ 3]"

I hope this helps for now, as you can tell I still have lots of information to add x.x
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Righteousbro on June 23, 2010, 11:59:53 PM
I'm pretty sure this is correct.
A Therian is someone who feels like they are spiritually connected to an animal and an Otherkin feels like they are connected to something mythical.

There is a bunch of useless crap I can also put here about Theriotypes and different degrees of Therianthropy because it's something I studied for quite a bit. Do you just need to know the basic definition?
Then you've got it.
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Self-sain on June 24, 2010, 12:03:21 AM
OK thanks
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on June 24, 2010, 05:19:56 AM
I've added much more information tonight, I hope those of you that read my post understand the Therian and Otherkin culture better :)

I plan to update the information again tonight with two more sections on "Awakening" and "Spirit Guides and Totems"
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Ookami Kokoro on July 06, 2010, 02:12:59 AM
So an otherwise average human, but with a tail and ears and fangs and an animal like personality would be?
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on July 06, 2010, 03:33:26 AM
Well not literally speaking, it's a spiritual and/or mental sensation, feeling and often it can be felt physically in the form of phantom limbs. But again that is not something every therian or otherkin experiences.
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Thagrahn on July 07, 2010, 03:10:16 AM
Phantom tail, ears, and fur are very common. Also, some report that other observe them acting more animal like when they are sleepy.
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on July 07, 2010, 03:29:12 AM
Oh really? I haven't heard about that before, but it sounds possible.
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Ookami Kokoro on July 07, 2010, 03:51:59 AM
So my fursona is a fox


But i feel EXTREMELY spiritually attached to wolves.
I dream about running with other wolves, as a wolf.
And I feel like my guiding spirit is a wolf.
Also... it runs in our family

See my great grandmother was in a tribe of Native Americans who were associated with wolf spirits. And my family always passes down these traits to one female child. bright blue eyes, pale skin, and deep dreams about wolves.

My great grandmother had 10 brothers and sister, none of which had blue eyes or pale skin but her
Then ther was my grand mother, who had brown eyes and darker skin as well as 5 brothers and 2 sisters. One of her sisters had pale skin and blue eyes. My mom has pale skin and blue eyes and weird wolf dreams, and had one sister and 2 brothers, none of which had blue eyes or pale skin. Then there is me. I have blue eyes and pale skin and these dreams. I have two brothers and one sister, all of which have brown or green eyes, and only my little brother has pale skin.

Is this a coincidence?

I feel very very attached to wolves, and I have wolf-like personality traits, like protecting those close to me, or my "pack"

maybe I'm over-exaggerating...

Anyways... just thought I'd share that


Also... can one be a furry... and a therian? seeing as how furry is only a hobby.
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on July 07, 2010, 03:59:26 AM
Yes as my intro post says, you can be both. Sounds like you're quite lucky to have such a family history, I'm not here to decide if you're a therian though. Mostly because there's no way to know, it's entirely up to what you think and feel.
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Grey_Wulf on July 08, 2010, 05:15:58 PM
Otherkin also covers Empaths/Mediums and as mentioned, vampires...since my sources have been reliable and trustworthy I'm gonna add some stuff on them based off my knowledge ;)


Vampires...well where to begin? there are many subcategories of vampire but they generally fall into two main types, Sanguarian or Psi . We'll get into those in a bit but first things first there are a few general points, to name a few...

-They aren't all goths, in fact a vampire may be walking around never to be noticed.
-Drinking blood WILL effect them just as well as anyone else, no special immunities. AIDS anyone?
-They live a lifespan no different to everyone else
-They aren't pale with big canines, yes, it is possible to have this trait but in genetics. A vampire can be pale with the typical big canines as a matter of coincidence, as anyone else could.
-And no, they don't sparkle.

Now we get into these two main types I mentioned :D

Sanguarian
A sang...well, to simply put this, they crave blood. When they need to "feed" they are hit by these blood cravings, perhaps having disturbing thought patterns such as wanting to attack someone for their blood, seeing just a little could set their mouth watering etc. you get the idea, though it's a very rare case that they will actually go through with harming someone for their blood though there is increased agression, being edgy, snappy, the thought of the stuff in their mind throughout the day, all day until they feed. Mentioning feeding you can forget the typical image of climbing through a window and biting into someones neck in the dead of night, the sang generally finds a donor, someone willing to cut or be cut for the sang to drink from them (not much however is needed, again, forget the myth), it takes part in a controlled environment with sterile equipment and knowing how to perform it (so no going for the neck people) and blood tests have been taken to ensure that nothing like AIDS can be transferred to the unfortuneate sang, of course this isn't always the case so the smart vampire will take the extra precautions to avoid harming the donor or themself, or they of course just Psi feed :P

Psi
A Psi is different in the ways of the sang as you can tell them apart pretty easily - a Psi doesn't have blood cravings yet they still have the need to feed. A psi feeds, well. they don't even need to touch a person, more of taking the energy remotely (this includes over the internet - long story but a connection is involved) they take energy from a persons aura and as they have been feeding they typically feel energised or stronger, some report a complete and utter lack of being able to concentrate and this is generally a sign to feed. In turn this can be done by taking from someone willing to donate, from a group of people to take as little as possible from a person yet still be satisfied. Though of course you get the bad kind...the kind that attack people for their energy, draining them leaving them in pain and pretty much...well, drained. I assure you though, someone attacking you might be able to hurt you but you can't be killed, your body would need to build up your energy levels again is all. Though if you know the protection methods such as closing chakras and shielding you should be good to go ;)

I'll go more into some of the subject if anyone has anything else they wish to know about this or anyone having questions, I'll try to answer them ^^
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Righteousbro on July 08, 2010, 06:26:38 PM
I was going to post that but I wasn't sure if I knew enough about sanguarians or psis.
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Crazking on July 17, 2010, 08:45:34 AM
After reading all that I identify with all three (furry, therian and otherkin)
thanks  :)
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on July 17, 2010, 12:09:14 PM
Good to hear! Glad the information helped in some way :)
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Joxim Poverway on August 11, 2010, 03:06:58 AM
Hm. This tells me a bit of stuff but not everything. On a note of these topics alone, I guess I could class myself under all three as well.

I hate to get into a whole other realm here but I have a sort of ability to become accustomed to acting like whatever my art dictates. More-so a curse really. As though I draw or write about that which is a part of me and doing so brings it out. Which is maybe why I always looked specifically for furry art for the longest time but never associated myself as a furry until I made a graphical version of me as a fox.

I also tend to get few dreams, when I do they always seem to be some sort of coded message. My latest one being my mom (deceased BTW) looking under the jeep I currently drive and flashing to a scene where shes sitting in a chair in my living room as it is today (which is much different than before she died) and telling me "The hellburners are going". While I have not noticed any differance in the jeep yet, nor have I checked for problems, which I really should as it's probably something serious if I had a dream about it. None-the-less, I digress as I don't want to bored you guys with every detail of what I guess I would call my 'psychic abilities'. Unless of course someone WANTS to know. lol
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on August 11, 2010, 03:14:53 AM
Well psychic abilities don't necessarily have to be therian or otherkin, but if the details with both of those sound fitting, then that's cool too :D
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Joxim Poverway on August 11, 2010, 04:58:12 AM
I'm weird like that. I don't really know what IS fitting. lol
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Takarah Luna on August 11, 2010, 03:49:48 PM
Woah, physic dreams... Cool!
Title: Re: Defining Therian and Otherkin
Post by: Joxim Poverway on August 11, 2010, 06:15:15 PM
It would be if the darn things werent always cryptic. I mean what the hell is a hell burner anyways? lol
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Tatter on January 17, 2011, 12:00:20 AM
just a note the original posts links seem to havebeen spammed to death by somone, not only that but the second link froze my browser! just lettin yall know
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on January 17, 2011, 12:10:24 AM
I am very sorry about that Tatter, I had no idea that those websites were breached and altered, I have updated the links to more appropriate sources, thank you for the help!
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Tatter on January 17, 2011, 12:24:24 AM
No probs  ^_^ i've ran/modded my share of boards and know not everything can be caught  ;)
Title: ez to explain
Post by: icy wolf on January 23, 2011, 05:26:50 AM
here are 3 web site to help when you need/ want to  explain that you are a furry or theiran or other kin

therian

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Therian

furry

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Furry

other kin
 http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Otherkin
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Saphira on February 18, 2011, 02:03:14 PM
can one be like both furry, therian and otherkin?  :?

... 'cause I really feel like fitting in in them all...  :o :S o.O
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: icy wolf on February 18, 2011, 04:03:45 PM
iam all 3
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Saphira on February 18, 2011, 04:10:51 PM
okay thanks :D  :3  :P

AWRUUUUUUOOHW! *takes off into the sky*  X3
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on February 18, 2011, 08:15:50 PM
Anyone can be therian, furry, and otherkin, it's all a matter of opinion and for some back up to this there was also a thread that questioned that idea here: http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=12196.0
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Alicia-Korean-Soviet on June 28, 2011, 01:25:46 AM
I'm pleased to say that I am a Therian. :D
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on August 08, 2011, 03:45:54 AM
Wow, thats pretty good information! I been friends with this one kid from my summer camp for three years but it wasn't untill this year that i discovered that hes an avid wolf lover like myself. Upon further conversation i discovered thats he's a therian. Its pretty interesting and i think i may be a little therian inside as well. Also, Im pretty sure kokoro is indeed part therian inside.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: icy wolf on August 08, 2011, 03:49:14 AM
so good to see more of us on tff.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Aloneness on November 08, 2011, 05:12:04 PM
Therian: I can't really say to much because I consider myself a Therian bit hypocritical if I poked fun at myself lol, but onto all seriousness. The definition of a therian changes drastically from person to person as it is up to each person to come to there own opinions and conclusions of what a Therian is. Events such as "shifts" are when someone becomes more in touch with there animal side, there are a few general categories of shifts, Physical, Dream, Sensory(Often Not Considered A Shifting), Phantom, Mental, and Cameo. Though Physical shifts are imposable there still included in the list of categories personally I don't know why they even have it then, next is Dream which very loosely defined as it can be any therianthropic related event inside of a dream, next is Sensory which is basically a heightening of your senses, next Phantom simply meaning Phantom Limbs of your theriotype, Metal which is pretty self explanatory, normally consisting of the person blacking out and then having the metal state of said animal, Cameo shifting is when you have any of the above shifts, except as an animal other than your theriotype. So in a nut shell a therian is just anyone who thinks they or has a strong connection with an animal (don't shoot me if you don't like that nutshell definition of a therian its just what to Wikipedia said.)


Other-kin: Basically the same definition of a therian, except instead of being an animal... your a mythological creature, elven, angelic, demonic, Draconic, etc. etc. etc. Personally I can understand therianthropy because its based around the belief of being a real documented animal, but I don't throw the Other-kin community to much of a bone because thats like saying your theriotype is a rock, or a wooden chair. I understand nobody can possible understand the mental state of a different animal because its imposable, and all we can go on is speculation of how we think they think based on there actions... but when something has no proof of ever existing. How can you say you feel like it? thats my biggest problem with the other-kin community. But to be fair I've never been very far into the other-kin communities either, the farthest I ever went into it was just curiously poking at  random forums and wiki's.


The Vampire Community: I have a few friends who consider themselves "vampires" so I'll keep my personal opinions to my self so I don't offend anyone. But the community original started along with the other two around 1992 on a message board which I can't remember the name of nor do I care enough to go look it up. But since Grarulfr did a good Job laying out basically what a modern day vampire is I'll just quote him. >.>

Written by Grarulfr earlier on in the thread

Now we get into these two main types I mentioned (http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/Smileys/Fox/grin.gif)

Sanguarian
A sang...well, to simply put this, they crave blood. When they need to "feed" they are hit by these blood cravings, perhaps having disturbing thought patterns such as wanting to attack someone for their blood, seeing just a little could set their mouth watering etc. you get the idea, though it's a very rare case that they will actually go through with harming someone for their blood though there is increased agression, being edgy, snappy, the thought of the stuff in their mind throughout the day, all day until they feed. Mentioning feeding you can forget the typical image of climbing through a window and biting into someones neck in the dead of night, the sang generally finds a donor, someone willing to cut or be cut for the sang to drink from them (not much however is needed, again, forget the myth), it takes part in a controlled environment with sterile equipment and knowing how to perform it (so no going for the neck people) and blood tests have been taken to ensure that nothing like AIDS can be transferred to the unfortuneate sang, of course this isn't always the case so the smart vampire will take the extra precautions to avoid harming the donor or themself, or they of course just Psi feed (http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/Smileys/Fox/tongue.gif)

Psi
A Psi is different in the ways of the sang as you can tell them apart pretty easily - a Psi doesn't have blood cravings yet they still have the need to feed. A psi feeds, well. they don't even need to touch a person, more of taking the energy remotely (this includes over the internet - long story but a connection is involved) they take energy from a persons aura and as they have been feeding they typically feel energised or stronger, some report a complete and utter lack of being able to concentrate and this is generally a sign to feed. In turn this can be done by taking from someone willing to donate, from a group of people to take as little as possible from a person yet still be satisfied. Though of course you get the bad kind...the kind that attack people for their energy, draining them leaving them in pain and pretty much...well, drained. I assure you though, someone attacking you might be able to hurt you but you can't be killed, your body would need to build up your energy levels again is all. Though if you know the protection methods such as closing chakras and shielding you should be good to go (http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/Smileys/Fox/wink.gif)
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: alpha wolf on November 16, 2011, 03:12:26 PM
I am a furry and a therian.  I know alot of my friends get thew two groups confused. 
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on November 17, 2011, 02:51:11 AM
Yay! Another Thurry!  ^_^  Welcome, stranger...  :P
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: icy wolf on November 22, 2011, 07:17:06 PM
woot more therians

each time i think about it i feel a shift where i feel a phantom tail or ears, i even felt a muzel befor
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Sne on November 22, 2011, 08:36:35 PM
Thank you very much White Wolf Guardian and Aloneness and the rest for your posts, they were very helpful in my reasoning (http://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=18524.msg805907#msg805907), which may be in turn helpful to others, too :) All in all, I'm a thurry too.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on November 24, 2011, 06:07:10 AM
Ahh, speaking of you reasoning, I have mental shifts. Sometimes, always at night, Im suddenly full of energy and I have an uncontrollable need to run and, well, hunt at a wolf would do. Some of my non-combat personality traits match fairly closely to those of a wolf. Same thing with my mate, except his traits are combat related.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: taka on December 20, 2011, 03:45:30 AM
We can not disbelieve that other kin never existed . Who's to judge but this argument cant be fully done out without  me bringing all religion ,wiccan,christian,catholicism , hinduism, and so many more because they all depict otherkin some where with all mytholigy,religion there are some truths.And its just like the wright's brothers "who developed the first airplane " anyone would or did disbelieve we could fly.But with there imagination made it a reallity.

sorry if this is in wrong  thread but it is related to topic........
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Drakos on January 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
Ok, so as a person who's constantly in search of a way to get educated, I thought I'd do some reading from Whyte's links on what all of this therian and otherkin stuff really is. Now that it makes sense, I can honestly say I am proudly both a member of the furry fandom and a therian. At first I thought "How ridiculous, there's no way I would fit into this..." Then I realized something; if it weren't for the spiritual connection that I felt with this animal (The silver western-style dragon), I would have never developed my fursona. I constantly have had dreams in which I was a silver dragon or some other variation of a dragon in various colors and sizes and in various scenarios. Therefore, I guess I would kind of consider myself a therian and a furry, if that at all makes any sense  :| .

Then again, I could be wrong!
Drakos Darkfyre.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on January 16, 2012, 12:37:10 AM
Mythological "spiritual" connections/relations are considered moreso otherkin than therian because otherkin relates to creatures of folklore.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Drakos on January 16, 2012, 01:44:19 AM
Mythological "spiritual" connections/relations are considered moreso otherkin than therian because otherkin relates to creatures of folklore.

Oh, well I guess that makes me sort of an otherkin fur doesn't it then? :3.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Sne on January 16, 2012, 03:33:00 PM
I can't exactly relate to that, but I assume that dragon otherkins or zoans (I really think that term fits best :) ) are actually dinosaur/reptile therians with so-called fantasy prone personality (zoan-3 ;) ).

Drakos Darkfyre, there is in no way any problem with being both a zoan and a furry.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Drakos on January 16, 2012, 08:44:08 PM
I can't exactly relate to that, but I assume that dragon otherkins or zoans (I really think that term fits best :) ) are actually dinosaur/reptile therians with so-called fantasy prone personality (zoan-3 ;) ).

Drakos Darkfyre, there is in no way any problem with being both a zoan and a furry.

Good to know, thanks for the information! Looks like draggie has some reading to do!  :)
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Leiton on January 16, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
Hmmm... now I have a question.
You say that therians often get phantoms and such. What about the people that are trying to get those phantoms, like a tail, ears, or fur? There is the furry hypnosis community that is doing that, but I've only seen a few of them that call themselves therians.
Basically, I guess my question is this: If I am trying to get those phantom feelings, does that make me a therian?
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on January 17, 2012, 12:03:07 AM
You could. Far as I know, their are various degrees of Theiranthropy. I have a weaker form of it. I don't feel phantom appandages, but randomly at night (out of the clear blue, or should I say black, since it's at night) I go ballistic with energy and I HAVE to run and be, well, a wolf. I also want to hunt, like a wolf, very badly when these uncontrollable urges happen. Almost as if Im becomeing a werewolf, but my body stays the same. The weakest form of therianthropy of that I know is when you just have several personality traits that are similer to that of the animal you are like. I have that too. What Im getting at is you don't have to have phantom appendages to be a therian. Their are other, lesser, ways. Chances are, though, that if you are trying to attain these thigns, you probably are a therian by default. So I would say yes.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Thagrahn on January 17, 2012, 05:15:42 AM
If they are trying to simply connect with an animal on a level where they feel the bodyshape of the animal, but aren't trying to force a specific animal then they have a chance at the Phantom effect happening after the first few "Forced Phantom" episodes. Without the actual connection, mentally or spiritually, the line is blurry.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Scar WhiteDream on January 17, 2012, 09:00:52 PM
I am definetely a therian :D Reason? well, it's pretty simple:

First off, I have a husky spirit that lives and shares my human soul. I can see him in my dreams and mostly anywhere I want. But I mostly see him when I meditate. Next, I can actually talk to him. Therefore, he only communicates with growls and howls but he understands my human language and I can understand his dog language. Through some visions, I was able to see his life and the reason why he did die. This husky died ages ago while his eskimo slide fell into a deep hole. Therefore, he did refuse and closes his mind on the resons why he chose me to put and make live his soul. Also, this husky was almost at his adult age, which is why sometimes, I have either a puppy energy making me playful or either the responsible adult husky energy.

Pretty cool huh? ^-^
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on January 17, 2012, 09:46:40 PM
That is pretty awesome Scar!  :D  Did he have a name?
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Scar WhiteDream on January 17, 2012, 09:51:56 PM
Fortunately yes but this too was information his soul wants to hide... I dunno why but I guess he has his reasons *shrugs and smiles* Oh well... I'm having such a good time living with him ^-^
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on January 17, 2012, 10:03:03 PM
Thats ok, we all have secrets I guess. Do you know how he got inside of you?
 
[If i sound sarcastic, Im not! I am ligitly interested  :3 ]
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Scar WhiteDream on January 17, 2012, 10:09:13 PM
Well like I said, he refuses to explain why he chose me as his spirit carrier. So therefore, no I do not know why he got in me but... My plausible answer to that would probably be the fact that I *maybe* have some indian blood in me since I'm a big beleiver of the indians beleives on the life circle and all that animism way of thinking and that like mostly in all indians cultures, you have an animal guide that guides you spiritually and I guess that discovering that I'm furry made him want to be more than my guardian. But again, that's how I see it and I'm still trying to figure it out myself O.o
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on January 17, 2012, 10:11:26 PM
That would make you the ideal spirit carrier then!  :)  How often do you meet with him?
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: taka on January 17, 2012, 10:13:50 PM
Mythological "spiritual" connections/relations are considered moreso otherkin than therian because otherkin relates to creatures of folklore.
   Yes for Drakos because he is actual draconic , definitely dragon kin . Native Amrican have spiritual connections to certain animals or totems ,usually are shape shifters ,technicaly therianthropy. But putting SPIRITUAL connection /relations is more so otherkin is not entirely true ,Just read the lower quote , (common descriptions being of spiritual bond,the soul within.)
Otherkin do refer to alot of mythilogical creatures.

Quoted from therianthropes.com
 Therianthropes may describe their nature manifesting in terms of their cognitive processes, their outlook on life, their inner reactions and instincts, their senses, or through their physical body, though claims of actual physical variations from the norm tend to be regarded with skepticism both within and outside the subculture. Detailed descriptions (as with all inner experiences) vary widely, with common descriptions being of a spiritual bond, the soul of an animal within, a belief that they have an atypical or atavistic neurology, or an emotional shading of the personality. The human and non-human aspects of the self may then cooperate or conflict, leading to happiness or unhappy dysfunction, and may take much self-discovery to begin to understand or accept.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Scar WhiteDream on January 17, 2012, 10:16:31 PM
Not often to be honest :/ I don't really have time to meditate anymore in my life (which is where I can see him fully). But I can often sence him around me almost everytime like for example, during an exam, I can feel him right beside me, sitting down. But sometimes, when I really need him, I usually think of him and he mostly appears in his full husky form which is pretty breath taking each time :P
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on January 17, 2012, 10:19:14 PM
Wow, nice! Do you see him in your sleep? That would be an Ideal time to communicate I would think.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Scar WhiteDream on January 17, 2012, 10:22:57 PM
Well... I could coummunicate with him in my dreams. Point is... I never remember my dreams so it would be kind of pointless to make him appear in my dreams and not rember the conversation I had with him in my dream. @_@
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on January 17, 2012, 10:31:14 PM
Ahh, thats a shame.  :/  But you do have a point. Oh wells. What does he know of you? If he keeps things from you, do you keep things from him?
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Scar WhiteDream on January 17, 2012, 10:39:46 PM
Well to be honest, I don't mind if he knows everything about me cuz he's my spiritual guide. So, in order to help me to his fullest, I think he has to know everything about myself... You know... Kind of a Chineesse master/student. The master will tell and hide some stuff to his student but he knows everything about his student.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: taka on January 17, 2012, 10:40:42 PM
Ahh, thats a shame.  :/  But you do have a point. Oh wells. What does he know of you? If he keeps things from you, do you keep things from him?
His husky keeps things away from him hes not ready for ,I have a spirit animal that sometimes stops me in the astral plain.It wont let me exsplore anything ,pretty much stops me in my tracks...
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on January 17, 2012, 10:54:25 PM
I suppose both of your statments make sense. Still, its awesome you guys have spiritual guides
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Scar WhiteDream on January 17, 2012, 10:59:17 PM
Well.. Mine is more than a spiritual guide to be honest... He's from what I built my fursona even though I didn't even knew him when I did it o.o He's littaraly a part of me... He lives with me everyday. Now, I sence him everyday since I'm highly sensitive to mythical energy like him. Therefore, it's just seeing him that I have difficulties with ><
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Ventus Fall on March 26, 2012, 08:46:28 PM
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm very unsure about if I'm therian/otherkin or only just a furry.
I've read the links and undertsnad the basics, but I would like someone to tell me if I am indeed just a furry or a therian/otherkin :/

I sometimes felt like I was non-human when I was little (not pretending or playing games, just so you know. I really felt that way). For a long time I associated myself with dragons (and dinosaurs :S). I always wanted to be one, a dragon I mean. I collected many dragon related stuff (statues, figures, etc.). I like being a dragon, or I want to be one at least.
So once again my question:
Am I a therian/otherkin or just a furry? :/ Help is very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Sne on March 27, 2012, 06:03:42 AM
I really felt that way
In my opinion it says everything if you still feel like that sometimes.

It's debatable, but I don't consider dragon therians a part of otherkin--exactly because of the dinosaur thing you mentioned. We don't even know every dinosaur species, as the only source of knowledge are the ones that managed to get their bones mineralized, and in fact it doesn't really happen that often in nature.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Ventus Fall on March 27, 2012, 07:13:19 AM
I really felt that way
In my opinion it says everything if you still feel like that sometimes.

It's debatable, but I don't consider dragon therians a part of otherkin--exactly because of the dinosaur thing you mentioned. We don't even know every dinosaur species, as the only source of knowledge are the ones that managed to get their bones mineralized, and in fact it doesn't really happen that often in nature.

I still feel that way, yes.
(Sorry for not being too clear on that)
So does that mean I am indeed a therian?
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Sne on March 27, 2012, 10:04:52 AM
Therian or otherkin, yes :) Phantoms are not something every therian experiences etc. and just that feeling, maybe that discontent with physical species is what matters.

Wiki is not the best source for information about all this, as most related articles mix serious scientific statements with something that sometimes is in direct conflict with them (please be careful, there's a lot of new age magic thingies around, you don't want to waste time and effort on that--they're inconsistent). However, you might want to read that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_prone_personality#Characteristic_features (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_prone_personality#Characteristic_features)
- check if you have 6 or more symptoms. Be critical about them! Remember that "may" doesn't mean "does", it's just something that is an option, also remember that the symptoms are necessary, but they aren't sufficient to say you have FPP. If you do, you may be otherkin. Of course if something doesn't seem clear you can always ask ^_^

There's also Creative Experiences Questionnaire (CEQ, 25 questions) (http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/2009/4/Merckelbach_2001_Personality-and-Individual-Differences.pdf) and even more complicated Inventory of Childhood Memories and Imagining (ICMI, 52 questions). The latter can be found in: S. Wilson and T. Barber, Vivid Fantasy and Hallucinatory Abilities in the Life Histories of Excellent Hypnotic Subjects (“Somnambules”): Preliminary Report with Female Subjects, in Imagery: Vol. 2: Concepts, Results and Application, E. Klinger (ed.), Plenum Press, New York, pp. 133-149, 1981, so getting Wilson's and Barber's "Imagery" (vol. 1 and 2) would be a nice idea if you're really interested in the topic. Well, I don't think you are, but I'm posting it here anyway for future reference  :P
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Ventus Fall on March 27, 2012, 07:11:04 PM
Thank you for being so  clear to me on this subject, you've helped me out immensly ^^

And I do find those interesting ^^ *I love to read* :)

I have at least 6 sympotoms:
I guess I'm otherkin, hmm.

Once again, many thanks and you've really helped me out here :)
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Draco Vertolgr on April 16, 2012, 11:22:08 AM
just by reading you comment I just learned I have all those exept the last, Im going to go research this more this is interesting :D
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: anoni on April 16, 2012, 03:04:02 PM
I dunno if I'm defined as a therian. The following has happened

I have, and still do, completely escape reality and live in my own world for a bit (However this world is not furry related, the world is extremely well defined, there's actually 2)
I have had imaginary friends; although don't anymore
I do a couple of physical quirks related to being a furry
I sometimes imagine myself, from third person, as my fursona.
I do not see my fursona as an alter-ego but rather me in fox version

Other than that, I can't say I physically thought I had furry characteristics like claws or something. So, Might just be a plain old furry who knows xD
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Draco Vertolgr on April 16, 2012, 07:01:41 PM
I know Im still me just I think of myslef as my fursona like eversince I have accepted Im a furry I have been seeing myself as an anthro wolf sometimes, I thought I was going crazy lol today I asked my friend when I got ranch sprayed all over me "do I have some on my tail" and he looked at me like wtf? lol it sliped lol but yea when I think of myself Im starting to see my fursona. This is getting awesomely weird XD
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Draco Vertolgr on April 17, 2012, 01:11:49 AM
ok this is cool now tht I know Im not the only one.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Luke White-Heart on April 17, 2012, 03:21:28 PM
I'm right there with you, Tunny!
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Cifero Windtail on May 14, 2012, 03:17:06 AM
OMG... I'm a freaking therian...

I'm pretty sure I'm part cat...
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on May 14, 2012, 03:17:46 AM
Alright, here's a question for all you Master Therians out there.  :3  I have always fancied myself a Wolf Therian and have had multiple signs of being one. I've had a phantom muzzle, paws (on feet only), and a tail. I cannot control when my shifts happen but I can *mostly* control myself when they happen. They have been getting stronger lately and now, when ever I shift, I no longer spiritually see myself as a wolf, but a werewolf. Every time I shift and/or have supernatural encounters, am a werewolf. I have also felt phantom claws, which was awesome! But my question is, since werewolves arn't really real, sadly, does that still make me a therian, or an Otherkin. I don't think I am physically a werewolf, but spiritaully I am. That would fit with otherkin, but I've never heard of "spiritual werewolves" as an otherkin classicfication. but not have I heard of a werewolf therian either. Any ideas?  :? 
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Sne on May 14, 2012, 06:11:17 AM
I'm not a "Master Therian" by any account, but personally I consider zoans of every slightly anthropomorphized zootype as therians. Why? Because human body tries to enforce some assumptions about your image in your brain. But the base image is still there. Also Fantasy Prone Personality can cause some disruptions of the image, but not necessarily in that direction.

Amphibians / reptiles / dinosaurs → dragons (most, at least), wolves → werewolves (anthro wolves)... all therian in my opinion.

Also consider that clinical lycanthrope (werewolf) differs from therianthrope only by the realization (or not) of having a human body.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on May 14, 2012, 09:24:07 PM
That makes sense  :3  Though I know I'm not really a werewolf. I can't actually shift my body like then can. I wish I could! But I know I can't. So by definition, I know I am not a lycanthrope  :/
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Keo on June 13, 2013, 07:01:03 PM
I've no idea what a master therian means.


I call myself therian/otherkin, because apparently I am one.
I have memories of my past lives and experience phantom/mental shift as my theriotypes, most prominently (female) wolf and (male) fox (which also sort of makes me feel I am gender fluid in a spiritual sense). Sometimes I can phantom-physically see myself as more fox or wolf, and in accordance to kin / human form, more bipedal/anthro or quadruped/feral. I have also splits/alts I can see, hear, touch, etc and they have always been with me, they helped protect me when I was being bullied for being non-human like at school, sometimes they'd take me over (or I'd let them communicate through me (sort of like RP sometimes)) - though, some (the mean, monstrous ones) are bad/corruptions. I have also made more fursona-y variations on my alts and even named them. I do not consider this like dissociative identity disorder or anything, it's spiritual and while I have triggers especially when stressed they don't necessarily line up to my fursonas/theriotypes/alts.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Lupi on October 19, 2013, 05:00:03 AM
Here's a question for you all... Do you believe someone can be a therian as well as an otherkin?

Say for example: Someone who might believe they have some sort of fae blood running through their veins that is more pronounced in a way that makes them more faerie than human, but also goes through psychological/spiritual shifts of a mammalian therian...

Is it possible for the two conditions to co-exist in the one subject?
Just curious.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Ventus Fall on October 19, 2013, 10:33:39 AM
My answer:
Most definitely.
Not only because in theory Therian and Otherkin are very similar. The only real difference is that 'Therianism' only is regards to existing animals (cats, wolves, rabbit, koala's, etc) while 'Otherkinism' is with regards to mythical or fantasy creatures (fairies, dragons, chimera's, etc)



Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: White Wolf Guardian on October 20, 2013, 01:33:16 AM
Pretty much what Ventus said, the terms are only made to describe the sensation of it, combinations are probably more common than you think.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Shadis on October 23, 2013, 04:18:27 AM
I'm an Empath and a Therian. Not sure if an Empath classifies as an Otherkin, but it's proof that there are indeed hybrids  :)
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Halopromise on December 13, 2013, 08:28:21 AM
Finally, a furry forum that talks correctly about therians.


I've "awakened" if you will, around the summer. I never knew what it was before then, I did know one... but she was, unstable to say the least (she bit me. o.o). So whenever I heard the word, I was always repelled. All I got to learn from that person was to try to not get bitten again. XD


Years later, another person brought it up, however, he turned out to be a wonderful friend and really interesting person. So, I decided to do actual research about it and I was instantly hooked on reading and learning about it since all the sudden, so much became clear to me as to why I was the way I am.


Oddly enough, I fall under the lycan form. Wolves are not my favorite animals for sure, but all signs keep pointing to it no matter what way I look.


I experience typical phantom shifts and constant dreams. Nothing to fancy.
I now own a pack (off line, so real life) and that's really the only time we show our more wild nature.


So yeah. Awesome information given out here. Interesting to hear what everyone has to say too.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Twilight Rose on February 21, 2014, 03:52:11 AM
I haven't done extensive research on the topics, but I want to make a distinction that's rarely mentioned. Therianthropy is a spiritual connection to a certain animal, or possibly several. This CAN INCLUDE "mythological" beasts, like dragons, griffins, and so on. Otherkin feel they are something else. If you're spiritually connected to cats, you're a therian. If you feel you ARE part cat, whether in spirit, body, or mind, you're Otherkin. If both, then both. I'm personally a furry, a therian with several theriotypes, and Otherkin. Think of it like this. If a therioshift is permanent, you're probably Otherkin. For example, I'm a cat through and through. People I don't even know will tell me I move, act, and react like a cat. A coworker once called me Felix the Cat because one day he heard purring and ran around looking for a cat until he realized it was coming from me. I don't control that; it's just the way I am.


On the subject of Empaths, I'm not sure most people know what we are. It's hard to find stuff on our kind, and a lot of us never know. An Empath is someone with a hyperacute sensitivity to the emotional conditions of those around them, to the point of literally feeling the emotions of those people as if they were their own. Once an Empath figures out what they are, they can limit that ability. If they don't, they're bombarded with overwhelming amounts of emotions they can't make sense of. It's extremely uncomfortable. That's an understatement really... Imagine the ability to hear thoughts, but you can't turn it off. The thoughts of everyone in the vicinity pass through your head. That, but emotions.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: FaeMinx on April 29, 2014, 11:28:30 AM
Hmm. I'm not all that keen on putting labels on myself. That which I am is too multifaceted and vast to be cast in any definition or role. And when I speak of that which I am, I do not refer to myself alone, but to all my kin and expressions of which we are essentially one being... expressed in infinite diversity. So I could say I am a Human being, and that would be partly true. I could say I am a visitor to this world, and that would be more true. I could say that in Truth I am not really here, but only appear to be... that what I really am exists in a place some of you may call the before place, the afterlife, heaven, a higher dimention of consciousness, etc... and that what you are interacting with now is but a small spark, a fragment of that which I am. I could say I exist in all places and all beings at once, and that in our purest essence - we are one and the same. I could say all these things and quite rightly some of me would go "oh booooring, what a lot of huffy puffy fluff... who are you posing for? Yourself? Yeah silly, why don't you share something REALLY interesting... why don't you tell them about us, your family in the magical garden of light we've been taking you to in secret for your whole human life.... tell them about all the amazing things we do, and all the fun cute ways we help species all over the universe realize the beauty of who they are..."

=~. O =

Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Twilight Rose on April 29, 2014, 02:45:27 PM
This is why we love the fandom, yes? You can be anything, as many things as you want to be, and unless you try really hard, no one finds it all that strange. Therian, Otherkin, vampire, empath, psychic, musician, writer, anything and everything.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: FaeMinx on April 29, 2014, 03:48:24 PM
You know what this forum needs? A 'like' button :3

=~. O =

Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Kozy on August 01, 2014, 02:26:54 PM
If you're often your fursona or a real life fox in your dreams before you even knew about furry and you like to identify as a fox as you feel and relate to the species even if you're not RPing (besides offline cause people might think its strange), does that make you a therian? Or is that something else? Thanks ^^ Also I have a lot of empathy, even if it's inappropriate, I tend to avoid crowds as I feel like I can feel their emotion and it becomes a noise to me, I don't know if that's what being an empath means.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: aperson1 on August 01, 2014, 03:31:24 PM
If you're often your fursona or a real life fox in your dreams before you even knew about furry and you like to identify as a fox as you feel and relate to the species even if you're not RPing (besides offline cause people might think its strange), does that make you a therian? Or is that something else? Thanks ^^ Also I have a lot of empathy, even if it's inappropriate, I tend to avoid crowds as I feel like I can feel their emotion and it becomes a noise to me, I don't know if that's what being an empath means.

I'm no expert, but that sounds pretty much like a Therian description to me. Besides, it's not so much of an official description of needed parameters to be a Therian, but more what feels right.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Twilight Rose on August 01, 2014, 04:06:27 PM
If you're often your fursona or a real life fox in your dreams before you even knew about furry and you like to identify as a fox as you feel and relate to the species even if you're not RPing (besides offline cause people might think its strange), does that make you a therian? Or is that something else? Thanks ^^ Also I have a lot of empathy, even if it's inappropriate, I tend to avoid crowds as I feel like I can feel their emotion and it becomes a noise to me, I don't know if that's what being an empath means.


That's definitely somewhere in the range of therianthropy, yes. And if the emotions of crowds are "noisy" enough that you tend to avoid them, you're definitely an empath on some level.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Kozy on August 01, 2014, 06:54:35 PM
That's interesting ^^
And yes I find the emotions in crowds noisy. I am okay with dealing with one to two at once but I feel like my emotions tune into others' so when there's too many around me I feel confused and if there's an argument I feel like I just want to curl up into a little ball, moreso than with most others I know  I've noticed. It's really important to me for a crowd to be peaceful, and I can stand relaxed crowds better than spontaneous ones. I like to distance myself from certain others as I tend to feel their emotions more when around them, to avoid myself being affected by their feelings. I am particularly weak to emotional vampires and tend to see through their manipulation, as if others have an emotional problem it tends to become mine and if I can't resolve it with personal advice I just like to back away. I also can't stand busy chatrooms etc as I feel I have to make an effort to speak up and I'm always worried about offending someone for my lack of knowing others. If someone is sad I may be distracted and want to comfort them instead of doing my things, but I am trying to teach myself not to react even though I feel so much for them.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Babydoll Animis on November 26, 2014, 11:30:11 AM
 @.@
so much info but i think i got it.
im therian, otherkin, and furry


Btw have you guys found your names?
my wolf self seems to be named Oshirius
my dragon self, i think Siber
 also i can always feel energized and much more lively when around crowds and groups
i can always feel the emotions of others and tend to feel like an overabundance of energy when people fight... dunno why... maybe because of their intensity?so imma psi maybe?


also dreams of the future and premonitions have alwys occured in my life... i only realised recently that its not normal to actually have them... whoops


speaking of ghost limbs i seem to be able to feel wings and if i want i can feel them flap, but my canines seemed to have sharpened over time as i have discovered my therian self... oh gosh this all sounds so crazy and i wouldnt blame anyone if they didnt believe me
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: drakewithout on December 15, 2014, 03:58:28 PM
TO save space i won't list my logic for this, (you can find it in my journal, It's a good read, short.)  but I believe that my shadow-caster in a  layer above my is an animal, and I feel a link to animals thusly, and I consider my self Otherkin along the same lines.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: drakewithout on January 26, 2015, 03:40:09 PM
i think i just killed the thred
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Twilight Rose on January 27, 2015, 05:30:20 PM
It's been a quiet thread for a long time, really. People haven't exactly flocked to it.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Ventus Fall on January 28, 2015, 03:00:43 PM
i think i just killed the thred

@Drakewithout:
I agree with Twilight Rose.
It's a pretty quiet/slow thread. It's not a very active thread. Now and again you could see someone post something here, but normally there isn't a discussion happening here or things, it's mostly people dropping off what they think and feel about themselves, or if they have any questions, and that's it ^^;
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: ShirokuTheHusky on October 02, 2015, 12:17:26 AM


i think i just killed the thred

@Drakewithout:
I agree with Twilight Rose.
It's a pretty quiet/slow thread. It's not a very active thread. Now and again you could see someone post something here, but normally there isn't a discussion happening here or things, it's mostly people dropping off what they think and feel about themselves, or if they have any questions, and that's it ^^;


In that case, I must ask. I really like huskies, like how someone on the internet looking at mishka does. But slightly more than that. I have some behaviour similar to huskies, but I don't feel like I necessarily AM one. A lot of what I feel is a DESIRE to become more like a husky. And I guess, a vague wish to be viewed as one, and be one. And it actually is more leaning towards an anthropomorphized husky. So what would that be? Would that still be furry? Or is this something new?
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: TheOneWithNoName on December 02, 2015, 07:46:54 PM
In my personal experiance in both the therian and otherkin communities, Therians tend to develop this weird m-shifting and p-shifting thing in which they think they can either mentally or physically transform into their theirientype.  Whilst I can somewhat understand the mental transformation, the whole possibility of physically transforming is ludicrous.


Otherkin, are more accepting that they are in human bodies, and that that is how it will be for the remainder of their life.


I myself, am Otherkin, but in those lives that I have lived, I have been both historically existing creatures, as well as mythical creatures.  I am accepting that I am now human though, and so not a therian.


Again, I want to reiterate, that this is from personal experience, and opinion. Nothing I say should be taken as definitive, other than that both Otherkin and Therian have VERY similar definitions.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Rocco Rex on March 16, 2016, 06:02:06 AM
I have a stronger sense of belonging with dogs then I do with people. I also have a special connection with dogs. I can read most dogs like a book, even if I never met them before. I can instantly calm most dogs, and get them to stop barking, jumping, etc easily. And the whole time, I feel something, a connection for lack of a better term. I forget a person's name within minutes, but I can remember the names of dogs I saw only once for years, even over a decade. If someone is doing something mean or, even worse, abusive to a dog, my blood starts to boil. I feel ready for a fight, ready to rip into them, and a little...not human.

My fursona and favorite breed is the German Shepherd. I share many traits with them; extreme loyalty, defensiveness around strangers, can easily learn, stubborn, extreme drive.

I some times wish I was a dog, imagine I am one, and even have the occasional dream where I am a dog. I sometimes compare myself to dogs or wolves, and on occasion I feel like I have part of a wolf inside me.

What does it sound like I am?
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Rocco Rex on April 05, 2016, 06:33:24 PM
To me it sounds like you might very well be a therian. However, I can't decide that for you. It's up to you to figure that out. Many therians do so by meditation or keeping a journal so they can connect the dots. You can also try seeing yourself as therian for a while and see whether it clicks for you or not.

Thanks Michen. I've been looking around a bit and watched a couple YouTube videos. I am a wolf therian. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Dean on April 03, 2017, 07:24:20 AM
Ventus, no wonder. Sure, this thread is quite. Why? Because of so much misinformation here.

1) Physical shifting is ridiculous as hell. Mentally unhealthy beings still think they'd be able to do so. That's not true. Mental shifting or phantom shifting, aura shifting and all that is possible but physical shifting isn't.

2) A connection to an animal doesn't mean anything than you love this animal. Maybe because of it's nature? Who knows. But therianthropy/otherkinity isn't about connection, it's a lot more than that.

3) Meditation is so unreliable in this case. It's great to go back to your roots, calm down, find your inner peace and to ground yourself. But finding the theriotype with meditation? No. Especially unexperienced ones who think they'd be masters because they watched some short videos on Youtube or because a good friend told them about that. Sorry, but that's hilarious.

4) You can sense the emotions and there are many small things already noisy for you? Maybe therianthropy related but only when you are completely in tune with your inner self. Otherwise, you're just a pretty awesome empath. That's amazing as well.

Remember: Being a therian/otherkin isn't fun. It's about hiding in society, wearing a mask, living a life which isn't meant for you. It's horrible. It's not a roleplay game or connection, it's about what we are. The internet likes to change things for every individual so that this one individual can be happy for a few hours. Great. Wonderful. Media are manipulated, other ones let manipulate themselves and go on with manipulating without realizing. Stop it now! Please...


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so much info but i think i got it.
im therian, otherkin, and furry


Btw have you guys found your names?
my wolf self seems to be named Oshirius
my dragon self, i think Siber
 also i can always feel energized and much more lively when around crowds and groups
i can always feel the emotions of others and tend to feel like an overabundance of energy when people fight... dunno why... maybe because of their intensity?so imma psi maybe?

Therian is otherkin, my dear. Oherkinity is the main term and therianthropy is a subcategory. How so? Simple. Otherkinity describes the identification as a non-human creature in a non-physical way - either spiritual or psychological. While therianthropy describes the state of identifying as an earthen non-human creature in a non-physical way - either spiritual or psychological. Got it? Great! If not, ask.

As for the name: No, I didn't because wild animals don't have names like that. Some species use specific sounds like clicking or a specific whelping tone but that's it. Names like that aren't for wild animals. For tamed one - sure.

You're an empath, nothing else.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Thagrahn on April 20, 2017, 08:52:37 PM
Remember: Being a therian/otherkin isn't fun. It's about hiding in society, wearing a mask, living a life which isn't meant for you. It's horrible. It's not a roleplay game or connection, it's about what we are. The internet likes to change things for every individual so that this one individual can be happy for a few hours. Great. Wonderful. Media are manipulated, other ones let manipulate themselves and go on with manipulating without realizing. Stop it now! Please...


I'm going to have to disagree on the roleplay part, since in public, otherkin have to roleplay as a normal human. We seek to embrace that which makes us otherkin, but at the same time, we have to do our best at hiding most of it from the general public.


Phantom shifts can happen in public, but we usually suppress them until we are more alone. We also generally suppress the animistic urges while in public, too.
Basically, we play the part of a 'normal human' event though a strong part of us identifies as something else.


Alone or with a few trusted friends we can fully be ourselves, but to the general public we present a mask to blend in.
Phantom diaspora (or Phantom Shifting) is a known effect usually displayed in amputees, but also common to the trans and otherkin communities.
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: Dean on April 20, 2017, 10:35:48 PM
You misunderstood me here. With "isn't a roleplay" I meant that we don't would like to play a little bit "wolf family" or anything. It's about who and partly what we are. ;)

Also, I know phantom shifts, tehehe. I am a contherian myself, that means that I don't shift but am rather constantly shifted. :)
Title: Re: Therian and Otherkin Explanation
Post by: AllySaurus on July 04, 2019, 06:17:20 PM
If we can identify as another species that we feel we are, then mind if I ask why there are forum threads stating that we're human, no matter what we feel? For example; these: https://www.thefurryforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=10288.0
I hope it's not rude of me to ask. While yes, I am human biologically, I'm more canine inside and in terms of behavior. Plus, honestly I don't see myself as a true human and probably never will. It's not because I hate them or anything, it's the misanthropy and association I have a problem with. You see, misanthropes tend to think that all humans are bad or scary and blame all individual humans on Earth as "naturally evil" and they point to me, standing on four legs in the corner, sniffing grass, trying to look as inhuman as possible. I know it's weird to some, but I just don't like living the human life.

Also, sorry if I'm necrobumping. You can delete this if you want.