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Title: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 07, 2011, 02:10:59 AM
One thing I've always really wanted to do but have always been scared to try is learning finally how to draw. I want to be able to increase my art skill...so where should I start?
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Gelidus on June 07, 2011, 02:40:41 AM
What I found that helped me is I started with drawing things in really life. Just quick sketches to help you get the hang of it. It helps you realize what you need to shade, what lines put off what effect in your drawing, etc. Then just draw whats in your imagination. Its probly gonna look bad, your probly gonna hate it, but you have to start somewhere. The most important thing is practice practice practice. And make sure your drawing what you want. Since youll probly need practice it will help to draw what you want to stay motivated. This is just my advice, others might have better advice as they are better artists. But this is what helped me learn the most.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Kaprika on June 07, 2011, 02:50:50 AM
one thing that helped me was repition repittion repitition

because when you draw repeatedly, you create muscle memory, and once you have that memory instilled in you...you can BUILD on top of it with skill and practice
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 07, 2011, 02:52:36 AM
I do agree that practice practice practice is vital, but what if I practice and it never gets better?
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Ares the Ram on June 07, 2011, 02:59:51 AM
then you're stuck with paint by numbers :p

youll never know until you try though. Give it your best shot!
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Kaprika on June 07, 2011, 03:26:34 AM
I do agree that practice practice practice is vital, but what if I practice and it never gets better?

well ill tell you something that not alot of people know. i got so good at furries cause i learned from one of my favorite artists GoldenWolf.
i printed out her wolf lineart when i was younger  and id copy it (not trace, but by eye copy..) for the sole purpose of studying how her strokes were..get the feel for fur..and the wolves. of course never taking her art for myself..but simply training my hand.
and after a few months of doing this repeatedly the same pictures over and over, i started to pick up a knack for canines. (given im still nowhere close to how amazing she is) but im better for it.

so mabey take a favorite artist and try this..soemtimes walkin in another artists hand motions can help you learn yourself.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 07, 2011, 03:30:26 AM
right now I'm using a drawing program and working on a fox from a youtube video. It's not very good since I don't have a drawing tablet and I'm doing it by mouse, but its a start
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: WingedZephyr on June 07, 2011, 03:34:59 AM
If you sit down and draw every single day, you're guaranteed to get better. Might take a long time, or you might improve quickly, but you will get better one way or the other. Asking for critique on your drawings does speed up the process; just don't ask for critique and be offended if someone says there's something wrong. Take criticism as instruction on where you need to improve, and work on it.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 07, 2011, 03:38:41 AM
I understand criticism, I thrive on it as a writer. I will start practicing with this one picture as much as I can because it's got really good step-by-step instructions...I might even post the finished bit later tonight


Post Merge: June 07, 2011, 04:25:46 AM
here's the completed piece, critique as you may. It looks a bit sloppy because i drew it with a mouse :/
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/251050_150489038357964_100001906057245_315461_856792_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 09, 2011, 03:13:07 AM
I'm wondering how I could ever get better...my art always turn out the same..
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: WingedZephyr on June 09, 2011, 03:52:50 AM
That's really quite a nice start. You have some perspective on the face, a decent muzzle shape, some fluff for the fur. The collar's a bit wonky, but it's difficult to critique when I can't tell which problems are artistic mistakes or just because drawing with a mouse is difficult.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 09, 2011, 03:56:55 AM
That's really quite a nice start. You have some perspective on the face, a decent muzzle shape, some fluff for the fur. The collar's a bit wonky, but it's difficult to critique when I can't tell which problems are artistic mistakes or just because drawing with a mouse is difficult.
thanks! I actually tried the same drawing today on paper with a pencil and it actually turned out worse
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Self-sain on June 09, 2011, 01:12:39 PM
Did you base that picture off of something, it seems... familiar....

And as said, draw every day to get better, one thing I like to do is do fan art. You have an idea so you don't have to struggle with ideas, and you gradually get better to, just don't forget to get back to your own work.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 09, 2011, 10:25:13 PM
I did in fact base it off another artist's work to get a feel for some of the techniques
I did a slightly crappier piece of artwork last night:
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/255190_150892068317661_100001906057245_317667_5955577_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 12, 2011, 04:09:52 AM
update: I tried an art tablet at the Microsoft store today (one of the only two in the United States dontcha know :D) and my drawing improved greatly over drawing on paper and with a mouse
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 14, 2011, 03:45:50 AM
decided to break out the sketchbook (or book of lined paper as others would call it) and made a quick sketch:
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/253973_152003701539831_100001906057245_324656_876029_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Ares the Ram on June 14, 2011, 03:48:27 AM
gettin better Drake
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 21, 2011, 02:09:31 AM
sketched a kangaroo! :D
(http://d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1308622084.half.drakethefox_0620112002.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Daemon on June 21, 2011, 02:49:06 AM
these are a good start Drake. The improvements are good, and keep practicing, and you'll get better.

INCOMING CRITIQUE!!!!!!!:

 The ears a bit high on the head, the head needs a more... circular shape, the muzzle is too long, and it should only go up to about halfway up the head.

The eyes look good, though!

use this to get better: http://www.drawfurry.com/
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 21, 2011, 03:53:12 AM
a quick wuffy I did:
(http://d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1308628316.half.drakethefox_0620112146.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: WingedZephyr on June 21, 2011, 04:58:10 AM
I highly recommend sketching using RL photos of animals as reference. Using real animals as reference instead of other artists' drawings is better because not only do you not get accused of stealing others' art, but no matter how good an artist is, drawings are stylized and can very easily contain anatomy mistakes (even if you can't notice it). Real animal photos will always have correct anatomy to learn from, and you can create your own style based on correct anatomy.

As for critique, you can probably spot some of your own mistakes if you compare your wolf head drawing with a real wolf picture:

(http://akvis.com/img/examples/sketch/wolf-sketch/wolf-photo.jpg) (http://d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1308628316.half.drakethefox_0620112146.jpg)

The head is a bit too oval-shaped; the eyes shouldn't be quite so round and should be placed closer to the middle of the face; the ears are a little too thin and pointy; the nose is a little small and the lips should be wider instead of tall; some of the facial fluff on the side of the head would also help.

Don't be afraid to go back and revise a drawing after you receive critique, and ask for critique again to see how you do with improvements to the same drawing.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 21, 2011, 04:59:53 AM
understood loud and clear, I'm just getting a feel for some of the techniques but I'll definitely give that a try


Post Merge: June 22, 2011, 02:55:15 AM
tried Zephyr's practice technique and tried a red fox sketch, I gave him a collar too! I made sure to make the muzzle slender like in the RL photo but I think I may have made it a bit too long :/
(http://d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1308711291.half.drakethefox_0621112047.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: WingedZephyr on June 22, 2011, 06:04:53 AM
Can you post the photo you used for reference?
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 22, 2011, 06:06:21 AM
uhm, I think it was this one:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-juINQjDEL4U/TWKJ-zmc0lI/AAAAAAAAFLk/SD1ErxZAi00/s1600/fox.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: WingedZephyr on June 22, 2011, 02:30:01 PM
Not bad. I think you did better on the proportions by looking at the drawing. The muzzle is indeed a little long, and there should be a more gentle slope where it meets the head. The ear in front ought to be bigger, but you did better about rounding the tips of the ears this time too.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Daemon on June 22, 2011, 03:09:01 PM
might want to work on the dimmensions of the eyes. yiurs look like it's on the exact side of the head, not in front like on a foxes. just take a closer look at the ref to see.

i apologise if I sound a little harsh, but nice words don't make a good artist. they do make a good author though.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 22, 2011, 06:14:01 PM
After I posted the drawing I was like "crap I forgot to slope the forehead!" XD
I think using ref photos is really helping :3
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: mulchardude on June 23, 2011, 03:18:26 AM
I want to get active in here.   :3

In each of the art classes I've taken, there's been two very basic elements to drawing:  line control, and composition.  There's more complex elements like perspective and shading, but those two are at the very base.

Line control is something that just happens with practice, and goes away without practice even if you're a good artist!  It's that muscle memory thing.  Basically it's just your ability to draw the lines and shapes you want, smoothly, and not wobble by accident, or get odd shapes you're not trying to draw.  The first book I had on drawing assumed line control would develop and started teaching with simple shapes, focusing on composition.  Later classes actually had excercises for line control, including drawing long lines across a page trying to remain as straight as possible, and drawing circles, trying to end up as close to a perfect circle as possible.

Then there's composition.  That's just your understanding of what things look like, and how to copy that onto paper.  You'll notice as you draw more that you can start taking things apart with your eyes, seeing basic shapes inside them and how they fit together, almost like seeing the gears of a machine.  It's kind of cool, it just happens gradually as you practice more.  This too gets rusty without practice (as I have experienced repeatedly XD )

I sketched up an example page.  This was pretty fun to do.  It's not perfect, I'm not happy with the boxy-foxy, but the circles one is ok.  And I've always enjoyed stacking cubes in strange arrangements.  Especially when you switch up the perspective and create impossible geometry.   :P
(http://www.dream-camera.com/images/drawpractice.png)

I'm still working on regaining skill myself.  But with some simple tools, it gets easier.  Plus it's fun to screw around with, like those simple little 2d physics games.   :3

Using real references is awesome too.  But when you can see simple shapes inside them, it's even better!

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 23, 2011, 03:24:12 AM
I do agree, I've started taking every drawing I see apart to see how they do it and developing some line control :3 I've been using a lot of references as I practice to develop style :D
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: WingedZephyr on June 23, 2011, 04:39:16 AM
Just quickly wanted to say kudos to you for taking the time to ask for help and critique, and not taking criticism too personally. I'm glad if I've been able to help with some things. Keep practicing! ^^
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 23, 2011, 04:49:32 AM
thank you for saying so ^_^ you've been a huge help and I wanna keep practicing :3


Post Merge: June 23, 2011, 06:10:38 PM
probably won't be any art posted today and I didn't post any of the art I drew yesterday because it sucked but I'm practicing drawing bodies a bit now :D
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 27, 2011, 04:53:22 AM
a really really really bad piece of art I did of a dragon (can you tell it's a dragon?) just to get back into it after a few days of being really busy

(http://d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1309150128.half.drakethefox_0626112242.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: WingedZephyr on June 27, 2011, 06:02:51 AM
Yes, I can tell it's a dragon. :P
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 27, 2011, 06:20:25 AM
Yes, I can tell it's a dragon. :P
well at least one person can, and you haven't gone blind from its sheer awfulness too! a win!
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: mulchardude on June 27, 2011, 10:50:39 PM
Haha I can see the dragon, too. :)

And it doesn't blind me.   X3
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Daemon on June 27, 2011, 11:28:15 PM
you're getting better! I have to say, that your progress is quite excellent. main problem I have is the eyes. but otherwise, it's pretty good! keep working at it! *hugz*
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 28, 2011, 02:04:49 AM
I decided to do a study in body sketching tonight, yes I am aware that he doesn't have any hands because I'm scared to draw hands :(
(http://d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1309226516.half.drakethefox_0627111956.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: WingedZephyr on June 28, 2011, 03:21:34 AM
DRAW ZE HANDS.

I say so. :P
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 28, 2011, 03:24:03 AM
DRAW ZE HANDS.

I say so. :P
D: but I'm scared! *cowers under the couch*
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: WingedZephyr on June 28, 2011, 03:39:40 AM
What's there to be scared of? It's just lines on paper. You'll never get better at them if you just ignore them.

The tail's a bit too thin and stiff. The outlines of a tail should be curvy and flowy.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 28, 2011, 03:42:12 AM
What's there to be scared of? It's just lines on paper. You'll never get better at them if you just ignore them.

The tail's a bit too thin and stiff. The outlines of a tail should be curvy and flowy.
I need to find a few tutorials about drawing hands, i shall do so tomorrow night after I get home from jetskiing. The tail I tried your advice by drawing and erasing, but I know I royally screwed it up XD I'll try to add more flow to it next time
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: mulchardude on June 28, 2011, 05:41:33 AM
For the longest time, I just drew these blobby balls for hands.  Like vaguely the shape of the back of the hand with the fingers curled behind it.  My biggest problem is I draw the fingers too fat and there's not enough room for them all.   x_x

Hands are hard.  But they're worth learning.

My art teachers have always been hardcore:  Draw your hand in a strange pose without looking at the paper and without lifting the pen, in a single long stroke!  Blind contour.  ^_^  Doing it while looking at what you're doing is way easier after that.  Even though the first few blind ones look absolutely crazy...
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Daemon on June 28, 2011, 11:55:01 AM
search dragoart.com for some tutorials if you have problems. they have them for everything, including one for a wolf anthro and one for a cat anthro.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 29, 2011, 04:04:22 AM
I drew a goose randomly because I've been seeing geese all day, hand studies will be posted later
(http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo185/zombiebrain14/0628112134.jpg)


Post Merge: June 29, 2011, 10:53:06 PM
did some hand drawings last night, don't have any photos but a few turned out "okay"
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on June 30, 2011, 05:28:12 AM
well...I did some artwork, but I was so disappointed with the end result...
(http://d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1309411614.half.drakethefox_0629112323.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: mulchardude on July 01, 2011, 02:59:00 AM
No, you're figuring stuff out, it's working!

Check this out: http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/pics/9/6328/37079/how-to-draw-anthros-step-1.jpg (http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/pics/9/6328/37079/how-to-draw-anthros-step-1.jpg)
That's from the dragoart.com site Daemon was talking about -
This page: http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/6328/1/1/how-to-draw-anthros.htm (http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/6328/1/1/how-to-draw-anthros.htm)

The lines kind of show where everything goes.  See how the head is basically just a circle, the muzzle takes up the bottom half, and the bottom of the eyes start right at that center line?

I used to draw eyes way up on the head, and it always ended up looking squashed.  In your case, the proportions are actually cool, it just looks more like he's looking down.  Not bad on muzzle shape, nice details with the teeth and tongue!

Actually, as I look at it, I see you *were* using a circle.  And then another circle below for the muzzle - again, a downward-ish shot.  Still, pretty darn good!
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on July 01, 2011, 05:46:18 AM
nice of you to say, but it's one of those things that I can't help but hate. I'll study those links though :3
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Daemon on July 01, 2011, 02:11:40 PM
actually, these:this one (http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/2872/1/1/how-to-draw-an-anthro-wolf.htm) and this one (http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/1700/1/1/how-to-draw-an-anthro-cat-woman.htm) are the ones I was talking about. better proportioning to these ones.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: mulchardude on July 02, 2011, 06:42:53 AM
Yeah, I saw those.   :3

I was just using the site you pointed out in reference to his last image.  Sorry if I confused things.   >.>
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on July 04, 2011, 06:32:07 AM
I saw a bear on tv and I wanted to draw one:
(http://d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1309761023.half.drakethefox_0704110025.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Ares the Ram on July 04, 2011, 06:49:13 AM
looks like a hand puppet *tilts head* I dont mean to be mean Drake, but it really does. finger and all.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on July 04, 2011, 06:51:59 AM
looks like a hand puppet *tilts head* I dont mean to be mean Drake, but it really does. finger and all.
maybe it IS a hand puppet?? :D (but seriously I don't think I see it)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: WingedZephyr on July 04, 2011, 07:34:26 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/magicalcow17/handpuppetzomg.jpg)

What has been seen cannot be unseen.


(Sorry. :P )

To try to help, I did a redline for you.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/magicalcow17/redlinebear.jpg)

The biggest issues are marked in yellow.

The line where the upper lips fall over the lower jaw is placed way too high. Most animals you can only see a tiny bit of their lower jaw; the upper jaw and lips appear much larger and cover most of the lower jaw inside the lips. The nose also needed to be larger.

The back of the head was too low, eliminating the gentle slope around the back of the head that bears usually have to give them a stocky, thick neck.

The rest was really pretty good overall, just minor adjustments. You had the overall round shape of the head that bears have. Although the ears could have been a tiny bit more round, they aren't too overly pointy either. The eye placement on the head is close enough to look okay too.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on July 04, 2011, 07:37:56 AM
thanks for the redlines! (and the hand puppet :P) I had tons of trouble with the nose because it kept looking funky. I think my main problem with my arts at this point is mostly anatomy as you've pointed out. Drake needs moar anatomy study D:
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: WingedZephyr on July 04, 2011, 07:42:23 AM
*nods*

Moar real life photo reference. ;) Always try to note the distances and proportions in a photo, and the spatial relationship between each feature or "piece" of the face/body/[whatever you're drawing].
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on July 04, 2011, 07:45:14 AM
yeah, I was studying bear photos while drawing and my brother walked in and stared at me XD I still find it quite hard to bring real life features into my art, but I'm trying.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: WingedZephyr on July 04, 2011, 07:49:53 AM
That's all that matters. ^^ Keep trying, and keep practicing. You'll get there.
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on July 07, 2011, 07:10:50 AM
thanks for moving my thread zephyr :3
I decided to do a little gift art for a friend (Aoren Deringer for those of you who know him) because I like his fursona (the African Painted Dog) i was actually really pleased at how this came out (except for I had a little trouble with the perspective between the head and the muzzle)
(http://d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1310022538.half.drakethefox_0707110106.jpg)


Post Merge: July 07, 2011, 07:23:53 AM
I also made my friend a sketch (he's a coyote)
(http://d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1310023357.half.drakethefox_0707110120.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on July 11, 2011, 04:36:20 AM
got some bad artist's block and so I experimented with a new emotion
(http://b.d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1310358868.drakethefox_0710112229.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on July 14, 2011, 05:18:07 AM
and another sketch:
(http://d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1310620557.drakethefox_stuff.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on July 19, 2011, 12:53:40 AM
update: getting a bit frustrated...I guess it's tough to see tons of artists better than me while I'm still struggling on basic shapes. I guess it's just practice practice practice...
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Scar WhiteDream on July 19, 2011, 01:03:35 AM
Indeed... Just like music and me... I need to practice a lot  :| ... But you can do it as I'm sure every artists had to struggle with simple shapes ^-^
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Fly Boy on July 19, 2011, 03:29:43 PM
Believe me Drake, probably even Kaprika had to practice to get to her level (Can't really speak for her but it's a safe assumption). I'm still practicing myself and you will ALWAYS keep finding little things that need fixing, but that's why we keep drawing, to get better at it. :)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on August 22, 2011, 05:43:32 AM
After a long bout with depression and family drama/problems that have prevented me from working, I have decided to resume my art study :3

I'm working on an art trade at the moment, my initial sketches will be posted soon
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: Kyanbu the legend on August 22, 2011, 09:09:28 AM
update: getting a bit frustrated...I guess it's tough to see tons of artists better than me while I'm still struggling on basic shapes. I guess it's just practice practice practice...

That's right! Don't let yourself get discouraged, you just have to keep practicing. You'll improve over time, after all everyone had to start from somewhere.

Believe me I know that feeling too well. Don't let it bother you, it won't go well.



Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on August 23, 2011, 01:48:21 AM
this is the result of my forced one month hiatus, it's a preliminary sketch of an art trade I'm doing for someone on FA, I'll be drawing this character like fifteen more times tonight I guess XD
(http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo185/zombiebrain14/0822111934.jpg)
Title: Re: Drake wants to draw!
Post by: on September 20, 2011, 02:19:42 AM
something I doodled in class, I wonder what he's so annoyed about? o.O
(http://d.facdn.net/art/drakethefox/1316485003.half.drakethefox_0919111751.jpg)