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Creative Arts and Media => Fursuiting and Cosplay => Topic started by: Crash the dog on September 21, 2010, 12:31:10 AM
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My boyfriend and I have been to every FC (Further Confusion) convention since our first in 2008. Each year, we've noticed that fursuiters care less and less about actually being, well, fursuiters! What I mean is, some suiters will go from completely mute and energetic to casually talkative and standing around. Or, at a dance, a suiter will be dancing and having fun, and then without any warning, they'll pop off their fursuit head and casually walk off the dance floor.
Marf, stuff like this has been more and more frequent each year at FC, and I'm willing to bet it's the same for other furry cons as well. When I'm fursuiting, I am extremely adamant about being a fun, entertaining doggy, and NOTHING stops me until I'm back in my hotel room. I don't even remove any parts of my fursuit in the "headless lounges" when I need a quick break (Though I don't fault suiters who do, it's called the headless lounge for a reason X3).
My boyfriend calls this "ruining the magic", because the act of removing your suit head or ceasing to entertain kind of reminds you that you're just looking at a person in a costume, rather than enjoying a big anthropomorphic animal doing fun/cool/goofy/cute things. It'd be like a magician doing a really cool trick for you, and then immediately showing you how he did it! It's "ruining the magic"!
So, we get miffed by this. Doesn't ruin our day, but it's just annoying =P Marf, what do you guys think?
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My boyfriend and I have been to every FC (Further Confusion) convention since our first in 2008. Each year, we've noticed that fursuiters care less and less about actually being, well, fursuiters! What I mean is, some suiters will go from completely mute and energetic to casually talkative and standing around. Or, at a dance, a suiter will be dancing and having fun, and then without any warning, they'll pop off their fursuit head and casually walk off the dance floor.
Marf, stuff like this has been more and more frequent each year at FC, and I'm willing to bet it's the same for other furry cons as well. When I'm fursuiting, I am extremely adamant about being a fun, entertaining doggy, and NOTHING stops me until I'm back in my hotel room. I don't even remove any parts of my fursuit in the "headless lounges" when I need a quick break (Though I don't fault suiters who do, it's called the headless lounge for a reason X3).
My boyfriend calls this "ruining the magic", because the act of removing your suit head or ceasing to entertain kind of reminds you that you're just looking at a person in a costume, rather than enjoying a big anthropomorphic animal doing fun/cool/goofy/cute things. It'd be like a magician doing a really cool trick for you, and then immediately showing you how he did it! It's "ruining the magic"!
So, we get miffed by this. Doesn't ruin our day, but it's just annoying =P Marf, what do you guys think?
maybe the people who do this need an immediate break
gets hot in those things i bet
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It's not like a person needs to be in their fursuit all the time. Sometimes people just need a break from being hot and sweaty and having muffled voices.
Also, I don't think people put on their suits to entertain others so you shouldn't expect them to always have it on just to entertain you. I'm pretty sure they wear their suits for themselves and not anybody else.
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I don't think people put on their suits to entertain others so you shouldn't expect them to always have it on just to entertain you. I'm pretty sure they wear their suits for themselves and not anybody else.
You make a good point. I love to entertain and put myself out there, and my boyfriend's on the same wavelength as myself. I guess we've gotten into the habit of projecting our feelings onto other people, and then getting disappointed by it. Or at least that's a possibility =3
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That is weird that people immediately take their heads off right in the middle of fursuiting, but maybe people get way too hot to wait for the headless lounge. I for one wait until I'm away from people to talk a mask off (regular costumes, not fursuit. Don't have one XD)
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Marf, I just had a thought. If some people only wanted to wear their fursuit for themselves and not for anybody else... Why would they bring it to a furry convention? They could save tons of money and just stay at their own home, right? Or if they had other reasons to go to the con, they could leave their suit at home, saving a lot of hassle involved with transporting it. I think if they bring it to a furry convention, they intend to show it to other people and get at least SOME attention from it.
So I guess that means that the main reason for "ruining the magic" is due to fatigue, probably. That's too bad... The headless lounges are there for just that purpose: To let you remove parts of your suit where other people can't see, and relax and cool off. There're even nice big fans in there X3
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Personally I think some people might be shy as well or perhaps uncomfortable wearing it the entire time, get really hot in there or maybe you get a headache or itchy or something, I don't know I mean a break is nice as Gabag said :P
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Is it possible they just don't know how fursuiters are "supposed" to act?
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Maybe those fursuiters, like me have the sudden urge to go play laser tag
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I might be the only one in here that thinks this, but I think a fursuiter should keep his anominity and mistique until in a headless lounge. I mean, if you can't take wearing a suit, then don't wear one.
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I might be the only one in here that thinks this, but I think a fursuiter should keep his anominity and mistique until in a headless lounge. I mean, if you can't take wearing a suit, then don't wear one.
Exactly. If you need a break, you go to your hotel room, or the headless lounge! Or if you're me, you keep all of your suit on, and just get some water in the headless lounge X3 Marf.
Popping your head off or completely halting what you're doing to talk and chat is like saying you don't care about actually fursuiting. Or at least that's the impression my boyfriend and I are given when we witness it. Not saying I'm completely correct though, just sharing my thoughts.
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Or maybe you really really need to air out the first ever made fursuit they ever made so it's not exactly suited to venting out heat.
I mean i'd imagine being in a suit literally covered in something simulating fur must get hot as crap and probably very smelly
It doesnt matter if they need to have that 'image' of fursuiting
what if they're there just to hang out with people, its probably alright if they dont wear the costume all the time in a amazingly hot scenario.
What one person considers immerssion someone considers just another social activity, but you've acknowledged people are different in opinions so im not nit picking you
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Or maybe you really really need to air out the first ever made fursuit they ever made so it's not exactly suited to venting out heat.
I mean i'd imagine being in a suit literally covered in something simulating fur must get hot as crap and probably very smelly
It doesnt matter if they need to have that 'image' of fursuiting
what if they're there just to hang out with people, its probably alright if they dont wear the costume all the time in a amazingly hot scenario.
What one person considers immerssion someone considers just another social activity, but you've acknowledged people are different in opinions so im not nit picking you
Marf, I know you're not picking on me. We're having a casual discussion, not an argument =3
It's possible that other people's fursuits get smelly, but if you take good care of it, it shouldn't ever smell. I've had mine for years and it has no bad scent to it, and doesn't smell at all while being worn.
I can say that, considering the only conventions I've been to so far are FC 2008, FC 2009, and FC 2010, it's never really hot there during that time of year. In fact, it's quite cold! Heat isn't a real issue. I wouldn't say something like this if I weren't a fursuiter... But I am X3
...Uh, what does "the first fursuit they ever made" have to do with this conversation? Who's "they"? ... Oh wait, you're saying if the wearer made it themselves, and it was their first one, right? I wasn't specifically talking about people at cons who have homemade fursuits, I'm also talking about the ones who paid for a commission, like myself. I'm not focusing my thoughts on people with well-ventilated suits vs. non-ventilated suits.
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I might be the only one in here that thinks this, but I think a fursuiter should keep his anominity and mistique until in a headless lounge. I mean, if you can't take wearing a suit, then don't wear one.
I have to agree with this. I fursuit myself and the general rule is exactly that keep your anominity and act out! now I understand a sudden need to be out of it (i.e. going to puke, have someone pass out, prevent yourself from passing out, yeah some suits get hot.) but if their taking them off cause their sick of it they need to take it to a head less loung before they change out of the suit.
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Marf, I just had a thought. If some people only wanted to wear their fursuit for themselves and not for anybody else... Why would they bring it to a furry convention? They could save tons of money and just stay at their own home, right? Or if they had other reasons to go to the con, they could leave their suit at home, saving a lot of hassle involved with transporting it. I think if they bring it to a furry convention, they intend to show it to other people and get at least SOME attention from it.
So I guess that means that the main reason for "ruining the magic" is due to fatigue, probably. That's too bad... The headless lounges are there for just that purpose: To let you remove parts of your suit where other people can't see, and relax and cool off. There're even nice big fans in there X3
My point by saying that they may be doing it for themselves is that they bought the fursuit for THEM. They wanted a fursuit that represented their fursona so they bought one (or made one) and they wear it to the con because they want to. Maybe they want people to see their suit and say "hey that's cool" but I think some people would buy the suit and wear it because they just want to. Basically I'm saying that they bought the suit (and wear it) to make themselves happy. Making others happy and/or getting compliments would probably just be a bonus for them.
If I ever buy a suit it will be because I want a suit that represents my fursona and I will wear it to make myself happy. I will have no intention of wearing it to entertain others (though it might end up that way without me knowing it since people might just get entertained by seeing someone in a fursuit walking around). And if I got compliments, I would be happy, but if I didn't I would still be happy because I would just be wearing for me and not others.
Sorry if I sound like I'm repeating myself like, 3 times in each paragraph. lol.
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i get what your saying and i agree so you not alone in this,i agree that if your fursuiting and you just randomly take off your head and leave its not right. im not going into futher detail because i dont need to you explained everything when you said it
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Welp I'm going to have to say that they own the suit and paid prolly hundreds of dollars on it, so its their right to take off their heads whenever they want.
We can complain all we want about what they "should" do or about what "should" be right, that's our right too, but we can't do a darn thing about it.
Oh yeah, and there was no magic! :P
If I wanted magic or something close to it I'd go to Disney world (which I don't like anyways).
So there's my opinion on the matter.
Btw: For me fursuiters are much easier to interact with once you talk to the person inside when their not suiting.
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Oh yeah, and there was no magic! :P
If I wanted magic or something close to it I'd go to Disney world (which I don't like anyways).
I didn't mean magic in a literal way =P I meant more of a feeling than seeing a trick or something. And I'm very sorry to hear that you don't like Disney World. It's hard to imagine someone being there and not enjoying themselves o.o
Btw: For me fursuiters are much easier to interact with once you talk to the person inside when their not suiting.
Marf... But then they're not fursuiters anymore.
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Btw: For me fursuiters are much easier to interact with once you talk to the person inside when their not suiting.
Marf... But then they're not fursuiters anymore.
Yeah they are. I'll just know them a little better and it helps me interact with them. I tend to ignore most fursuiters to be honest because I don't know how to interact with them very well, I know I'm repeating myself here but it's very hard for me to explain.
I'm sure that I'll get used to interacting with them over time, I might even get better with charades but I've only had a chance to meet a few so I'm still rather shy to them and most likely will continue to ignore most of them unless they get my attention somehow. Maybe my trip to M.F.F. will solve that. ^_^
BUT, with that said my first points still stand that it is their suits and they can wear them how they want.
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That's one of the problems with a lot of Cons, a lot of people just drop the character image as soon as it starts to get old or boring. :'(
Kind of the reason to dress up is to try and be someone or something, so stopping in the middle and acting out of character as some as you no longer feel like it ruins the point of being in costume.
I've had to wear military gear, and it gets hot in the helmet, but you don't just take it off cause you could get shot.
Venting the head is hard but a necessary step in designing anything that covers the full head.
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i know what you meannn!!
when i first joined the fandom, suit were all magical and being part of the character. kinda being an actor i guess.
but now. people walk around, with their heads off talking.
and its like seeing the face of a voice actor. and then after, when you watch the cartoon, its not the same.
i've seen the guy who plays peter griffin. and now i dont see this fat funny american guy. more some. weird scrawny nothing alike guy.
no fun.
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I just started suiting last year my self. I finally got enough money put together to buy a head, so I only have a piratical. But I can say even with out a full suit I sweat like crazy. I still keep my head on regardless.
Just keep in mind everyone is different, there is no right or wrong way to suit. There are really no rules on how to do it, and if you paid for a suit, and to go to a con you can pretty much do as you please with it.
That's just my opinion...
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I think the same as AR, Good point well made ^_^
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i agree on the everyone suits differently and such.
i mean, nowadays the furry fandom is so wide, and there's so many aspects of it.
back in the day. when the fandom was still quite small and unknown. fursuiters, wouldn't take their heads off. Because, in their suits, they are their fursona. and thats who they wanted to become. not a person in a suit. Anouther that gets me that now fursona has a totaly different meaning, people have more than one fursona. I'm no saying its wrong, but in my opinion, and before, fursona was your personal character. someone who was you/or someone you could transform into. but now there is people who say they're half in the fandom, have a sona, but there not a furry etc etc.
got a little off topic.
don't know. guess I just miss the days of that.
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OK, I am also a long time anime con goer and cosplayer, and there is something like this there called ANIMEGAO KIGURUMI!!! Also sometimes called just kigurumi. Fursuiting is also a form of kigurumi, so notice I said "Animegao" (look them up on wiki)
Animegao kigurumi performers NEVER NEVER NEVER talk or take the head off! EVER! They also wear a flesh colored bodysuit that covers all the person's skin and hair, so you never see the person inside. I have been around these performers many times, and they will never violate the rules! The idea is they are the character and not the person inside. They are also very guarded; unless you are from their group or are a privileged friend, you will never be allowed to know who they are. Some kigurumi performers only know each other in suit, they have never seen each other without a mask! When they go out, they will usually have a handler, to tell people what they are and for safety.
I have adopted these rules for my fursuits! I never talk or take the head off! And yes it can get VERY warm in the suit! I use fans in my heads, and with them I can last 3+ hours in suit! But, I never talk and break the illusion!
These are some Animegao Kigurumi:
(http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/4/181063-kigurumi_super.png)
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Renamon, I totally understand what you mean about maintaining the air of mystery! I haven't done the furry thing, but when I went out as V (<--see avatar), it was a given that the character never, ever took off his mask (even in the movie). I had to be articulate, though, and gallant, which meant pretending to kiss the ladies' hands and posing for a lot of pics. There isn't much magical about a middle-aged fat guy like me.
Yes, my face sweated behind the mask for 5 hours, but I think the key which applies to fursuits as well is to avoid getting stuck with one that's so poorly designed you can't work with it. Comfort is the most precious thing in the world when you put on a fursuit or any other kind of costume.
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I agree to an extent I talk in suit but I made sure I had an articulated jaw so it doesn't look completely weird and I have taken my head off around people but they were all furrys at a local meet last year which was a picnic and there was nowhere secluded to pop your head and take a breather. I imagine it would be quite different at a con in a hotel where there are a myriad of places you can escape to. I don't mind so much talking or taking my head off around other furs because they know the deal but I would never do it around others especially kids because to them it is more like 'magic'.